Biden lands another Republican Governor Endorsment

[MTAtech]

Here is your problem none of those Presidents had a pandemic and most people know that Trump isn't responsible for the pandemic, and most people understand that the liberal states and cities are economic and social disasters, the king of Debt is Obama, 9.3 trillion with NO pandemic. If a Democrat was in charge the debt would have been at least a trillion dollars more as that is what Pelosi wanted to bail out liberal states who are driving taxpayers out of those states due to high taxes, socialism isn't free

Your lack of understanding is evident in your posts as is your lack of civics and Constitutional education. Tell me the last time Seattle, Portland, LA, SF, Chicago, Kenosha, Minneapolis, NYC, St. Louis had a Republican Mayor and the last time California and NY had a Republican Legislature. You want the same results over and over, keep electing liberals

Trump didn't make the pandemic but his inaction and advising Americans not to wear masks and making statements directly in contradiction to the medical experts made it far, far worse.

 

[MTAtech]

Here is your problem none of those Presidents had a pandemic and most people know that Trump isn't responsible for the pandemic, and most people understand that the liberal states and cities are economic and social disasters, the king of Debt is Obama, 9.3 trillion with NO pandemic. If a Democrat was in charge the debt would have been at least a trillion dollars more as that is what Pelosi wanted to bail out liberal states who are driving taxpayers out of those states due to high taxes, socialism isn't free

Your lack of understanding is evident in your posts as is your lack of civics and Constitutional education. Tell me the last time Seattle, Portland, LA, SF, Chicago, Kenosha, Minneapolis, NYC, St. Louis had a Republican Mayor and the last time California and NY had a Republican Legislature. You want the same results over and over, keep electing liberals

NY had a Republican Senate for decades prior to 2018. The voters threw them out because leading Republican Senators were taking bribes.

Trump was running trillion dollar deficits before the pandemic.

 

[bluesmoke]

Just the way Trump approaches "bankruptcy" as a natural way of doing business, should be enough to set off red flags, in and of, itself.

In my world, honorable people pay their bills. Bankruptcy is not used as a way just to "get over" on people and not pay your debts, and leaving the poor son of a bitch doing business with you left holding the bag. Trump Corp., arranges the financing for his larger than life projects, (and even that suggests to be nefarious, since he has to go through foreign banks who's money is questionable, (ie: Deutch bank) then skim his ritches off the top, and then let's the pro"ject slide in to bankruptcy, screwing every one else.

People who think this method of doing business is genius and "sticks it to the man" are simply deplorable. A lot of good people have been left in the wake of Trump's destruction, time and time again. But his supporters don't care. They don't care what he does. Recent polls show that.

That's business. A common excuse to get away with anything. "It's just business". Nothing personal.

 

[TurtleDude]

If Trump ran as my mother, I would vote for the other candidate, unless that candidate was running as Trump.

The good news is that your vote probably won't matter. But when we ask Trump haters what policies they hate, we get gibberish. But since you claim to be a "liberal" you of course will vote for Biden because he supports what is called liberal in the USA: more taxes on the productive, more driving corporations out of the USA, more stupid laws to harass gun owners.

 

[CharloTexan]

The good news is that your vote probably won't matter. But when we ask Trump haters what policies they hate, we get gibberish. But since you claim to be a "liberal" you of course will vote for Biden because he supports what is called liberal in the USA: more taxes on the productive, more driving corporations out of the USA, more stupid laws to harass gun owners.

Actually, from your list, I support the appropriate and necessary taxes on the appropriate and necessary people/entities. Also, keeping businesses and manufacturing here in the USA, and raising the minimum wage so that workers can afford the higher cost of manufacturing with US labor. Also, sensible gun regulations that reduce the likelihood, frequency, and extent of all gun crimes in the USA (full disclosure, I own 6 guns including a semi-auto rifle and am a retired hunter).

 

[Decypher]

The good news is that your vote probably won't matter. But when we ask Trump haters what policies they hate, we get gibberish. But since you claim to be a "liberal" you of course will vote for Biden because he supports what is called liberal in the USA: more taxes on the productive, more driving corporations out of the USA, more stupid laws to harass gun owners.

Hope you don’t mind my interjection into the conversation. As a Trump hater myself, I object to several of his policies. His hostility to the environment, particularly with the removal of EPA regulations concerning clean air and water and the limited of toxic chemicals would be pretty high on my list. Obviously the Paris Accords weren’t perfect, but abandoning them as one of first acts of his administration certainly sent a powerful message. Rather like when Reagan tore down the solar panels that Carter had put on the roof of the White House. Nixon has no problem with environment protection, why have Republican presidents since then been so aggressive on this issue?

Abandoning the Iran deal has been a disaster. Obama’s foreign policy was no great shakes, but bringing a decades long enemy to the table and getting them to halt their nuclear development was a masterstroke. Ending this deal made Trump look stupid and petty and achieved nothing for the US. A complete blunder.

The wall. The whole idea from beginning to end was ridiculous. A medieval solution to a 21st century problem. The US needs both immigration and immigration reform. In short it needs a competent leader and congress which it currently doesn't have, in my opinion. I could go on but I’m interested in seeing how you respond to these three points before I type any more of this on my phone.

 

[Bullseye]

Former Michigan Governor Rick Snyder: I am a Republican vote for Biden

"I will continue to support and stand up for Republican policies and values, and support Republican candidates, but I will not support Donald Trump for reelection."

It's not quite 4 small town MN Mayors, but it adds nicely to the 155 other Republicans, including Governors, Secretaries of State, Trump White House Staff, Congress People, Senators, Bush White House Staff, and the McCain family.

Source: Rick Snyder: why I'm voting for Joe Biden, even as a Republican

I wonder how many Republican values and policies he thinks Harris-Biden will espouse.

 

[Decypher]

I wonder how many Republican values and policies he thinks Harris-Biden will espouse.

Family values, respect for the military, civil public discourse, bipartisan initiatives, strong on law and order; are these Republican values? They’re certainly conservative values. But as Republicanism just seems to be tRoLliNg Teh LiBtaRds these days, you might be disappointed with the Biden/Harris administration.

 

[Bullseye]

Family values, respect for the military, civil public discourse, bipartisan initiatives, strong on law and order; are these Republican values? They’re certainly conservative values. But as Republicanism just seems to be tRoLliNg Teh LiBtaRds these days, you might be disappointed with the Biden/Harris administration.

I think you misinterpreted my post.

 

[TurtleDude]

I wonder how many Republican values and policies he thinks Harris-Biden will espouse.

that's the real point. They claim Trump is anti Republican while pretending Biden will push GOP values more-=that's a bald faced lie

 

[trixare4kids]

that's the real point. They claim Trump is anti Republican while pretending Biden will push GOP values more-=that's a bald faced lie

Yeah, well,... the latter is what they do best, push bald faced lies.

 

[Decypher]

I think you misinterpreted my post.

Did I? You asked which Republican values did Synder think a Biden-Harris administration would espouse. I provided a list of traditional Republican values which would definitely be espoused by that ticket. Sadly those values are not espoused by the current Republican administration because the Trump regime has no values. As such, any traditional Republican like Synder is forced to vote Democrat in order to have some semblance of traditional Republican values.

 

[Decypher]

that's the real point. They claim Trump is anti Republican while pretending Biden will push GOP values more-=that's a bald faced lie

Kind of disappointed you didn’t respond to my post to you. But regardless, the Biden-Harris will embody the following conservative values that I mentioned in my post to Bullseye: “Family values, respect for the military, civil public discourse, bipartisan initiatives, strong on law and order.” These are certainly conservative values, I don’t whether they are Republican values any more because the Trump regime certainly doesn’t hold them.

 

[TurtleDude]

Kind of disappointed you didn’t respond to my post to you. But regardless, the Biden-Harris will embody the following conservative values that I mentioned in my post to Bullseye: “Family values, respect for the military, civil public discourse, bipartisan initiatives, strong on law and order.” These are certainly conservative values, I don’t whether they are Republican values any more because the Trump regime certainly doesn’t hold them.

what garbage.

Biden wants to jack up taxes-typical Democrat scheme
Biden wants to ban lots of guns, make it harder for people to own guns they currently have-Typical Democrat scheme
Biden is a fan of racial/gender quotas-his VP pick was to be black and female and he claims his first SC pick will be as well-typical Democrat scheme
Biden wants to pander to non-investors by jacking up taxes on capital gains-typical democrat position
Biden wants to jack up corporate taxes-Typical democrat scheme
Biden wants to give unions more say in America-typical Democrat position
Biden wants to pick judges who see abortion as a uninfringeable right-Typical Democrat position
Claiming Biden is more strong on law and order than Trump is a gut buster.

 

[Decypher]

what garbage.

Biden wants to jack up taxes-typical Democrat scheme
Biden wants to ban lots of guns, make it harder for people to own guns they currently have-Typical Democrat scheme
Biden is a fan of racial/gender quotas-his VP pick was to be black and female and he claims his first SC pick will be as well-typical Democrat scheme
Biden wants to pander to non-investors by jacking up taxes on capital gains-typical democrat position
Biden wants to jack up corporate taxes-Typical democrat scheme
Biden wants to give unions more say in America-typical Democrat position
Biden wants to pick judges who see abortion as a uninfringeable right-Typical Democrat position
Claiming Biden is more strong on law and order than Trump is a gut buster.

Yeah, so what? Never said Biden wasn’t running on Democratic policies just that he embodies conservative values far more than the incumbent. And he is stronger on law and order. I’m sure you’re well aware of his track record in the senate and of Harris’ as California AG. Their toughness on crime is used as a stick to beat them with by hypocritical Republicans.

 

[TurtleDude]

Yeah, so what? Never said Biden wasn’t running on Democratic policies just that he embodies conservative values far more than the incumbent. And he is stronger on law and order. I’m sure you’re well aware of his track record in the senate and of Harris’ as California AG. Their toughness on crime is used as a stick to beat them with by hypocritical Republicans.

your definition of conservative values is hilarious.

 

[bluesmoke]

Who said anything about CAUSING violence, reality shows exactly where that violence is occurring however, blue cities run by Democrats for decades and it those officials that hire fund, and train employees who are now responsible for the racial unrest. You cannot seem to grasp the reality that The President of the United States cannot interfere in city and state issues

Unfortunately for you I have backed up all my statements with official data and documented evidence of the 10th Amendment to the Constitution. Do you even live in this country?

" Who said anything about CAUSING violence..."

You did when you said in your prior post "... run by liberal mayors causing all the problems". And, again in this last post of yours when you said "... blue cities run by Democrats for decades and it those officials that hire fund, and train employees who are now responsible for the racial unrest.", which is a quote from you showing an entire causal chain, though you precede your accusation with the false statement that is a matter of where, not cause (???). You, as usual make no sense. I'll stop there as direct and further refute of what you say and not bother with the rest of you most probably unsupported claims.

 

[Conservative]

" Who said anything about CAUSING violence..."

You did when you said in your prior post "... run by liberal mayors causing all the problems". And, again in this last post of yours when you said "... blue cities run by Democrats for decades and it those officials that hire fund, and train employees who are now responsible for the racial unrest.", which is a quote from you showing an entire causal chain, though you precede your accusation with the false statement that is a matter of where, not cause (???). You, as usual make no sense. I'll stop there as direct and further refute of what you say and not bother with the rest of you most probably unsupported claims.

So the cities of Seattle, Portland, LA, SF, Minneapolis, Louisville, Kenosha, Chicago, NYC who hire, train and fund the police have no control over the racial issues in their cities or the actions of their police force? And of course the cities have no responsibility then for the rioting and quelling of riots in their cities and support for their police. Wonder why it is then that the police are endorsing Trump? What makes no sense is your support for a failed ideology that never accepts any responsibility

 

[bluesmoke]

your definition of conservative values is hilarious.

What is your definition of conservative values?

 

[bluesmoke]

So the cities of Seattle, Portland, LA, SF, Minneapolis, Louisville, Kenosha, Chicago, NYC who hire, train and fund the police have no control over the racial issues in their cities or the actions of their police force? And of course the cities have no responsibility then for the rioting and quelling of riots in their cities and support for their police. Wonder why it is then that the police are endorsing Trump? What makes no sense is your support for a failed ideology that never accepts any responsibility

There is not yet enough evidence to prove the LW is causing the majority of the violence and prop damage in various cities. So far, there is at least, if not more, evidence that RW is the cause of the most violence. The IG is investigating matter in at least 4 cities. Barring AG Barr bars the report, we might learn real facts. Most likely not before election day.

 

[TurtleDude]

What is your definition of conservative values?

just about everything opposite of what Biden stands for

 

[bluesmoke]

just about everything opposite of what Biden stands for

But you can't articulate what it is. I'll help. Biden is for America, American democracy and the avg American. Trump is for authoritarian countries, anti-democracy rulers and the rich and large corps. Biden believes in what US IS say, not what dictators say that is opposite. Trump doesn't believe in US intelligence and takes the word of dictators like Putin, the Crown Prince of Saudi Arabia and NK's Kim. There, I said it for ya. And it's true. Both what Biden stands for and that the opposite is what Trump stands for and is on record doing for.

 

[TurtleDude]

But you can't articulate what it is. I'll help. Biden is for America, American democracy and the avg American. Trump is for authoritarian countries, anti-democracy rulers and the rich and large corps. Biden believes in what US IS say, not what dictators say that is opposite. Trump doesn't believe in US intelligence and takes the word of dictators like Putin, the Crown Prince of Saudi Arabia and NK's Kim. There, I said it for ya. And it's true. Both what Biden stands for and that the opposite is what Trump stands for and is on record doing for.

Biden stands for crony capitalism. Biden stands for more control over private property. Biden stands for less freedom. Biden stands with the PRC.

 

[bluesmoke]

Biden stands for crony capitalism. Biden stands for more control over private property. Biden stands for less freedom. Biden stands with the PRC.

Trump "You all just got a lot richer," cronyism tax plan dwarfs anything Biden has ever done or proposed.

It is evident that Trump and the Rep want to privatize govt operation and are doing so. Again, dwarfing anything of Biden taking any action of govt control over private prop, which is none you can show.

If you mean less freedom for people like you to infringe on other’s rights, yeah.

Trump has praised the PRC leader many more times than Biden, if Biden ever did.

 

[Tettsuo]

what garbage.

Biden wants to jack up taxes-typical Democrat scheme

Reducing deficits and balancing the budget is a democrat scheme? Looks like conservatives have discarded the idea of fiscal responsibility.

Biden wants to ban lots of guns, make it harder for people to own guns they currently have-Typical Democrat scheme

If you can own a gun, then there's no infringement on gun rights. You can't own a bazooka, and that's not a call to ban "lots of guns".

Biden is a fan of racial/gender quotas-his VP pick was to be black and female and he claims his first SC pick will be as well-typical Democrat scheme

This is a lie. No democrat that I'm aware of is in favor of racial/gender quotas. Equal opportunity, yes. Quotas, no. Virtue signaling has nothing to do with quotas. Just ask Trump and his SCOTUS pick.

Biden wants to pander to non-investors by jacking up taxes on capital gains-typical democrat position

Pay your fair share. Or is this no longer a conservative ideal?

Biden wants to jack up corporate taxes-Typical democrat scheme

Again, pay your fair share. Or again, is this no longer a conservative ideal?

Biden wants to give unions more say in America-typical Democrat position

People power... yeah, that's never been a conservative ideal.

Biden wants to pick judges who see abortion as a uninfringeable right-Typical Democrat position

Yes. You got this one right.

Claiming Biden is more strong on law and order than Trump is a gut buster.

BIden helped sponsor one of the toughest law and order bills in America. Trump, nothing. So yes, Biden is strong on law and order.