Biden is not serious about getting the debt under control

[smallvoice]

Well after this:
Mitch McConnell Brags About Blocking Obama For 2 Years, Then Laughs About It

Obama did:

Here are 28 of President Obama's biggest accomplishments as President of the United States.

1 – Rescued the country from the Great Recession, cutting the unemployment rate from 10% to 4.7% over six years

2 – Signed the Affordable Care Act which provided health insurance to over 20 million uninsured Americans

3 – Ended the war in Iraq


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4 – Ordered for the capture and killing of Osama Bin Laden

5 – Passed the $787 billion America Recovery and Reinvestment Act to spur economic growth during the Great Recession

6 – Supported the LGBT community's fight for marriage equality


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7 – Commuted the sentences of nearly 1200 drug offenders to reverse “unjust and outdated prison sentences"

8 – Saved the U.S. auto industry

9 – Helped put the U.S. ontrack for energy independence by 2020


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10 – Began the drawdown of troops in Afghanistan

11 – Signed the Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals allowing as many as 5 million people living in the U.S. illegally to avoid deportation and receive work permits

12 –Signed the Dodd-Frank Wall Street Reform and Consumer Protection Act to re-regulate the financial sector


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13 – Dropped the veteran homeless rate by 50 percent

14 – Reversed Bush-era torture policies

15 – Began the process of normalizing relations with Cuba


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16 – Increased Department of Veteran Affairs funding

17 – Signed the Credit Card Accountability, Responsibility, and Disclosure Act

18 – Boosted fuel efficiency standards for cars


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19 – Improved school nutrition with the Healthy Hunger-Free Kids Act

20 – Repealed the military's “Don't Ask, Don't Tell" policy

21 – Signed the Hate Crimes Prevention Act, making it a federal crime to assault anyone based on sexual or gender identification

22 – Helped negotiate the landmark Iran Nuclear Deal

23 – He signed the Lilly Ledbetter Fair Pay Act to combat pay discrimination against women

24 – Nominated Sonia Sotomayor to the Supreme Court, making her the first Hispanic ever to serve as a justice

25 – Supported veterans through a $78 billion tuition assistance GI bill

26 – Won the Nobel Peace Prize in 2009 “for his extraordinary efforts to strengthen international diplomacy and cooperation between peoples"

27 – Launched My Brother's Keeper, a White House initiative designed to help young minorities achieve their full potential


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28 – Expanded embryonic stem cell research leading to groundbreaking work in areas including spinal injury treatment and cancer

28 Of Barack Obama’s Greatest Achievements As President Of The United States

What would you add or remove from this list?

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And the whiner of the "Whatabout" award is.....Sand Castle.
Sand Castles don't have adequate foundations, which you display regularly. They get washed away.

 

[smallvoice]

Trump is surely week when it comes to substance. Kind of like a dog, all bark and no bite.

He had the substance, he didn't know how to play hardball with the Dims. His programs were correct. His mouth undercut him. He was still better than Hilarity would have ever been.

 

[Sand Castle]

And the whiner of the "Whatabout" award is.....Sand Castle.
Sand Castles don't have adequate foundations, which you display regularly. They get washed away.

below appears to be your so called whataboutism, no?
You can thank Pelosi and Schumer, two wasted wads, for that outcome

 

[smallvoice]

What is msnbc? I don't watch it. Let me reiterate, I knew people retired from military and then working private defense contractors. This system needs reform. Of course we need defense contractors, former military are well suited for jobs; but the system is bloated (please re-read my post with investigated abuse of tax dollars to defense contractors).

If you have not served in the military and worked in the Defense industry, you have no standing to whine. You parrot MSNBC.

 

[Sand Castle]

Art of the deal! never quite figured out what art and what deal

 

[smallvoice]

below appears to be your so called whataboutism, no?
You can thank Pelosi and Schumer, two wasted wads, for that outcome

Rewrite that first line in English, with something that resembles punctuation, and we may be able to figure out what you are trying to say.

 

[Sand Castle]

If you have not served in the military and worked in the Defense industry, you have no standing to whine.

Well great, then with your theory, you have certainly limited what you can talk or whine about. For example: Have you served as POTUS? Obviosly not. So no more whining about Presidents

 

[Sand Castle]

Rewrite that first line in English, with something that resembles punctuation, and we may be able to figure out what you are trying to say.

"You can thank Pelosi and Schumer, two wasted wads, for that outcome"

Didn't you write the above whataboutism?

 

[cpwill]

No party cares they are accelerating towards the cliff. The 2030s are gonna get interesting.

 

[Sand Castle]

Rewrite that first line in English, with something that resembles punctuation, and we may be able to figure out what you are trying to say.

"Someone needed to point out how you got the way you are-apparently it's in your family DNA. You aren't at fault.
Now, does that make you feel better"?

Didn't you write the above? Grammar, Ouch!

 

[mrjurrs]

One of the lw fairy tales is that the"yes the Dems want more spending,but they are going to pay for it by taxing the rich"
wronggggggggggggggggggg

More Biden Budget Analysis | National Review

The Tax Foundation predicts 165,000 fewer jobs and 1 percent lower GDP from Biden’s proposed taxing and spending.

www.nationalreview.com

"
Yesterday I noted some analysis of the president’s budget from the center-left Tax Policy Center. Now we have some from the right-leaning Tax Foundation.

By these estimates, if enacted, the budget — which includes the Biden family and infrastructure plans — would hike spending by $4 trillion over ten years while raising $1.3 trillion in revenue. These numbers shift to $5 trillion and $3 trillion if you count tax credits as spending and toss in a promised $700 billion from better tax enforcement. (The tax credits include Biden’s big payments to parents regardless of whether they work, and the report treats such “spending through the tax code” as a revenue-reducer rather than spending per se.)

America has a population of roughly 330 million, so every trillion dollars represents about $3,000 per person.

The Tax Foundation also estimates the broader economic effects of the tax and spending changes: about 165,000 fewer jobs and 1 percent lower GDP in the long run, for example."

Please don't bother responding that the GOP isn't serious about it either . I've already said that umpteen times.

Wondering what data was used to come to the job numbers? One thing that doesn't seem apparent is the impact of any revenue generated.

 

[smallvoice]

"Someone needed to point out how you got the way you are-apparently it's in your family DNA. You aren't at fault.
Now, does that make you feel better"?

Didn't you write the above? Grammar, Ouch!

You just confirmed that you not only have a grammar problem, but also a reading comprehension problem.
Sorry you hurt yourself.

 

[smallvoice]

"You can thank Pelosi and Schumer, two wasted wads, for that outcome"

Didn't you write the above whataboutism?

It's not a "whataboutism", it's factual.

 

[smallvoice]

Well great, then with your theory, you have certainly limited what you can talk or whine about. For example: Have you served as POTUS? Obviosly not. So no more whining about Presidents

Well, that criteria will certainly make the discussions in which you are involved meaningless.

You just keep digging your own hole....

 

[Sand Castle]

It's not a "whataboutism", it's factual.

What do you think about McConnell? A "Wad" or what?

After all you posted

"You can thank Pelosi and Schumer, two wasted wads, for that outcome".

 

[Sand Castle]

Well, that criteria will certainly make the discussions in which you are involved meaningless.

You just keep digging your own hole....

Didn't you post below?

"If you have not served in the military and worked in the Defense industry, you have no standing to whine".

Isn't below the same?

Well great, then with your theory, you have certainly limited what you can talk or whine about. For example: Have you served as POTUS? Obviosly not. So no more whining about Presidents

 

[Sand Castle]

Well, that criteria will certainly make the discussions in which you are involved meaningless.

You just keep digging your own hole....

Not my theory, it's yours. So don't be hypocritical going forward

Let's refresh who's theory we are talking about:

Didn't you post below?

"If you have not served in the military and worked in the Defense industry, you have no standing to whine".

Isn't below the same?

Well great, then with your theory, you have certainly limited what you can talk or whine about. For example: Have you served as POTUS? Obviosly not. So no more whining about Presidents

 

[Sand Castle]

"Someone needed to point out how you got the way you are-apparently it's in your family DNA. You aren't at fault.
Now, does that make you feel better"?

Didn't you write the above? Grammar, Ouch!

Let's revisit your grammar critiquing, why would you do that in a political debate forum?

But please, show me in English writing 101 where this form of writing is used?
From your posting: " you are-apparently"

 

[poweRob]

lol...suddenly the Right is worried about debt. Newsflash, that fat man you elected jacked up the deficit immediately after the black man you hated slashed it.

Right? From "Reagan proved deficits don't matter" to "ZOMG DEEEEBBBBBTTTTT!!!!!!!!!"

 

[poweRob]

It's not a "whataboutism", it's factual.

Hey @smallvoice. You still think trump is going to win the 2020 election and that I'll disappear after the election? Or do you still have me on ignore like you have since the election? Asking for a friend.

 

[jpn]

Govt' fixes EVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVerything. Vote. Dem.! Got it!!!
LAFFRIOT!!!!

The alternative, "capitalism fixes everything!" is demonstrably not true.

So...where does that leave your "argument?"

In the toilet.

 

[tshade]

It doesn't work that way and I think we both know it. Look at what someone gets to work at a daycare facility, ~$15/hr, that's your logic.

I agree that way. We need to pay them more.

One of my biggest issues with your point of view is that you believe what teachers are presenting to you. It's an act, the same way it is an act from cops, the military, or those in healthcare. People pretend it is all about a higher virtue or calling. It may have been influenced about that initially, but it is almost never staying that way. Find some people in these professions who you are really close with and can have real private conversations with and talk about this and see if it changes. I have close connections to all of these professions and I hear this all the time, pretty universally, and all over the country. Even when I was on a school board, my private conversations with their union steward were always "Yea, realistically we spend a few hours a year on curriculum at most".
Well , no----I believe what I see and know. Sure, there are "down" days, weeks,--it happens in these professions. No----I know too many who give back more than expected. I guess it depends on what you look for. I am very close to many teachers, some in the family, and my wife on the school board.


When was the last time you heard of a teacher leaving a tenured teaching job to go take a job as an ice road trucker, longshoreman, or lumberjack? Everyone always thinks they are undervalued, underpaid, and disrespected, it is human nature. What I will tell you that the raw ability it takes, academically speaking, is a joke. Just think about this for a second. Teachers in the district I was on the board of started out at ~$52k (this was over 10 years ago). They had a ridiculous pension/healthcare contributions. Getting a masters degree, paid for by the district, was an immediate $8k/yr bump in salary, no questions asked. The average teacher on payroll there base salary was something like ~82k, total comp in the ~115-120k range. What other job are you aware of where someone gets a total comp figure like that, with a mediocre education, with extremely limited working hours, 100% job security, etc? Do you have a single comparison? The closest I can come up with is similar geographic area public employees/cops.
??? Why would they take a job like those when they do not have a calling for them? It is not about the money for many of them, hopefully most of them. Okay----what if you required teachers to take the most rigorous courses from the best colleges??? Would you pay them more?? Would they teach the kids better??? Would requiring longer hours help the kids ?? I agree that we need the very best people teaching our kids----you feel that way, right?? Then how do we get those people in the classroom?? In the little private school I coach for we get top notch corporate retirees, military officers, and PHDs to teach for $20,000 a year, but they are financially secure already. No---not 100% job security = our district alone has gotten rid of a number. One of the reasons you don't hear of a lot of teachers being fired is the vetting process, which is extreme compared with such industry as the retail businesses, etc.......... I would like you to answer those questions if you can, if possible. BTW, your teachers do indeed make more than the average in Pa. based on what you are saying...!!
I agree, you can't measure performance by standardized test scores. Too many teachers unions will tout their amazing academic success, when their district is made up of entirely white collar professionals. I have long been a believer that spending in education is less relevant in outcome compared to parental involvement, values, and genetics. How do you measure a true high performing teacher? Complicated answer, don't know that I have it, but I know the teachers unions in PA don't want to hear a word about it. They want to make sure the half-assed gym teacher gets paid the same as the AP Chemistry teacher for some reason. True----but where do you find "parental involvement, values and genetics"???----in wealthier districts, generally. Unions will support a fair system of evaluation and pay, but no one seems to know how, and we have tried for the last 5000 years...................................I would support a system of praise and rewards for valued accomplishments/behavior in a school, but don't give the teacher with top notch students all the credit compared to a teacher with the tough kids. There are tons of varying dynamics in education. I enjoy this "debate" with you, and I hope we can continue.

 

[Moderate Right]

One of the lw fairy tales is that the"yes the Dems want more spending,but they are going to pay for it by taxing the rich"
wronggggggggggggggggggg

More Biden Budget Analysis | National Review

The Tax Foundation predicts 165,000 fewer jobs and 1 percent lower GDP from Biden’s proposed taxing and spending.

www.nationalreview.com

"
Yesterday I noted some analysis of the president’s budget from the center-left Tax Policy Center. Now we have some from the right-leaning Tax Foundation.

By these estimates, if enacted, the budget — which includes the Biden family and infrastructure plans — would hike spending by $4 trillion over ten years while raising $1.3 trillion in revenue. These numbers shift to $5 trillion and $3 trillion if you count tax credits as spending and toss in a promised $700 billion from better tax enforcement. (The tax credits include Biden’s big payments to parents regardless of whether they work, and the report treats such “spending through the tax code” as a revenue-reducer rather than spending per se.)

America has a population of roughly 330 million, so every trillion dollars represents about $3,000 per person.

The Tax Foundation also estimates the broader economic effects of the tax and spending changes: about 165,000 fewer jobs and 1 percent lower GDP in the long run, for example."

Please don't bother responding that the GOP isn't serious about it either . I've already said that umpteen times.

When on Earth did Biden ever mention getting the debt under control? All he does is offer up multi-trillion dollar spending plans.

 

[tshade]

They tax unreasonably because they can and they have been convinced their job is amazingly difficult and unique, it's not. I wish someone could explain to me how a West Chester University, elementary education major, who teachers middle school PE is worth ~100k+/yr, for a ~1000/hr a year job. On an hourly basis that is in line with physicians, way above engineers, etc. It's insanity. Meanwhile, in other places where the spending is more reasonable the results are almost identical.
Well, a middle class income is not that impressive to me. second, teachers are not payed by the hour, hopefully. Neither are those other professions, right? What do you mean by "results" ??? Many dynamics to consider when doing a comparison.


You hit on a great point that went over like a lead balloon with the unions I dealt with. If public teachers are so great why are the best young teachers going to private schools for less money, less benefits, more hours? None of them had the answer to that. Suddenly it wasn't "about the kids", it was about the comp. Again, no argument that human beings go to work to make money, just be honest about it. I also don't have a problem with someone getting paid to do extra things in education, I have a problem with it when they only do it for pension purposes.
Well, not necessarily the "best" teachers. The material they have to work with and mold is quite a bit better, as are the working conditions. I have a problem also with educators who lose their calling to make a difference, but leadership can make a huge difference their. I've seen it happen.

How you calculate a teacher's pay is difficult, but unions shouldn't be involved imo. I don't think unions have a place representing government employees. You don't need a union to fight back against a powerful aggressive corporation when you are working for the community. Moreover, I have yet to see that paying government employees (of all stripes) yields any difference in outcome.

I agree, but state law requires negotiations. I would think that if you pay employees well that you might attract the best people, but do the highest educated and "smartest" people make the best teachers???? The most talented teachers make the best teachers, however. Now, who will define what the "most talented teacher" even means??? You are going to get tons of varying answers on what makes a great teacher.

I don't mean to pick on teachers, this is much more about government employees in strong government employee union states effectively breaking the system in their favor.

Unions are about democracy on the work place. I have seen unions and mangement work together to creat a superior work environment with superior results---better than without a union. But it takes a willingness to work together. (same old story).....

 

[smallvoice]

Let's revisit your grammar critiquing, why would you do that in a political debate forum?

But please, show me in English writing 101 where this form of writing is used?
From your posting: " you are-apparently"

You'll need to look it up in your Harbrace for yourself. You liberals are so helpless....