Biden is a communist traitor dictator and needs to be impeached.

[Da Mole]

yeah, sure whatever....other politicians have went to jail for insider information...next.

Go ahead and name one.

 

[ClaraD]

Go ahead and name one.

Congressman Christopher Collins.

 

[Da Mole]

Congressman Christopher Collins.

Wouldn't you know it, you came up with one low-level Republican.

 

[LostInSeattle]

o respond

When your enemies are using illegal means to attack you, sometime you have no choice but to use the same methods in response.

Nothing illegal at all about the Mueller investigation. It was conducted by Trump's own DOJ for goodness sake; stop making shit up.

As for all the rest, I have neither the time nor interest to respond to it all in this thread.

To recap:

You asserted that there were no credible allegations against Trump.
I demonstrated that there were.
You then said that it was ok to obstruct justice because the investigation was about nothing.
I showed that in fact it is never ok to obstruct justice, and that Trump seems to have done it repeatedly.
You then said (without any logic chain or substantiation) that the investigation was illegal so an illegal response to it was justified.

So you have admitted that Trump obstructed justice and that it was illegal.

I rest my case.

 

[LostInSeattle]

Wouldn't you know it, you came up with one low-level Republican.

You asked for one, she named one and you respond sarcastically? Dude, you behave in quite a curmudgeonly manner.

How many would you like and far back can we go? Does it have to be convictions for insider trading or are other forms of corruption acceptable/

 

[Top Cat]

Biden has proven himself to be a communist traitor by not once but twice attempting to subvert the Constitution and the separation of powers by attempting to write laws by giving mandates to Federal agencies that do not have the Constitutional powers to enforce them. First by using the CDC to try to enforce eviction moratoriums, and now trying to use OSHA to enforce mandatory vaccines. The enforcement of mandatory vaccines is not just unconstitutional, it is a violation of the Geneva Convention qualifying him as war criminal against his own citizens.
He needs to be impeached and brought up on criminal charges.

LOL. Yet another RW extremist that cashes their socialism checks and screams communism.

You really need to do some homework. They aren't the same. Not even close. And how ironic that you are likely a socialist decrying socialism. There's a word for that. Hypocrite

 

[Da Mole]

You asked for one, she named one and you respond sarcastically? Dude, you behave in quite a curmudgeonly manner.

How many would you like and far back can we go? Does it have to be convictions for insider trading or are other forms of corruption acceptable/

Whatever you wish, just don't leave out the Dems.

 

[MTAtech]

Conservatives have a long, disreputable history of conflating any attempt to improve American lives with the evils of “communism.” When Medicare was first proposed, Ronald Reagan called it “socialized medicine,” and he declared that it would destroy our freedom. In 1961, America faced what conservatives considered a mortal threat: calls for a national health insurance program covering senior citizens. In an attempt to avert this awful fate, the American Medical Association launched what it called Operation Coffee Cup, a pioneering attempt at viral marketing.

Here’s how it worked: Doctors’ wives (hey, it was 1961) were asked to invite their friends over and play them a recording in which Ronald Reagan explained that socialized medicine would destroy American freedom. The housewives, in turn, were supposed to write letters to Congress denouncing the menace of Medicare.

These days, if you call for something like universal child care and rebuilding the crumbling infrastructure, conservatives accuse you of wanting to turn America into the Soviet Union.

It’s a smarmy, dishonest political strategy, but it’s hard to deny that it has sometimes been effective.

What does the OP and conservatives in general, mean by “socialism” and “communism”? The answer is, it depends.

Sometimes it means any kind of economic liberalism. Steven Mnuchin, Trump's Treasury secretary, lauded the Trump economy and declared that “we’re not going back to socialism” — i.e., apparently America itself was a socialist hellhole as recently as 2016. Who knew?

Other times, however, it means Soviet-style central planning, or Venezuela-style nationalization of industry, never mind the reality that there is essentially nobody in American political life who advocates such things.

The trick — and “trick” is the right word — involves shuttling between these utterly different meanings, and hoping that people don’t notice. You say you want free college tuition? Think of all the people who died in the Ukraine famine! And no, this isn’t a caricature: The strange, smarmy report on socialism that Trump’s economists released in 2018 is pretty much how its argument goes.

 

[LostInSeattle]

@Da Mole

Corrupt politicians do not put corrupt politicians in jail.

Right, the justice department does.

No, that is why corrupt Democrats tried to destroy Trump.

But wait, didn't you just say that corrupt politicians don't put other politicians in jail?

Whatever you wish, just don't leave out the Dems.

Why would I? I loathe corrupt politicians regardless of party and politics. In any case, a simple google search would reveal plenty for you. Here are some leads:

Rob Blagojevich
Jack Abramoff
Here's a list of convicted politicians, male and female, black and white, democratic and republican from just the last 15 years.

Along with Rep. Chris Collins, here are other lawmakers indicted while in office

Rep. Chris Collins, R-N.Y., is only the latest member of Congress to be indicted since 2005.

www.usatoday.com

Another, longer list:

List of United States federal officials convicted of corruption offenses - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

And there are many more if you look at the state and local levels.

This is my last post to @Da Mole and @Esoqq as you have nothing to offer. We are now on our third topic - you had nothing on the first two and nothing on this one either - and you have been insulting and abusive without presenting a single cogent argument to back up anything you say. Your claims are moronic, your evidence non-existent, and your ability to present a logical argument execrable. Further discussion with you is a waste of my time and brain power.

 

[Da Mole]

@Da Mole

Right, the justice department does.

But wait, didn't you just say that corrupt politicians don't put other politicians in jail?


Why would I? I loathe corrupt politicians regardless of party and politics. In any case, a simple google search would reveal plenty for you. Here are some leads:

Rob Blagojevich
Jack Abramoff
Here's a list of convicted politicians, male and female, black and white, democratic and republican from just the last 15 years.

Along with Rep. Chris Collins, here are other lawmakers indicted while in office

Rep. Chris Collins, R-N.Y., is only the latest member of Congress to be indicted since 2005.

www.usatoday.com

Another, longer list:

List of United States federal officials convicted of corruption offenses - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

And there are many more if you look at the state and local levels.

This is my last post to @Da Mole and @Esoqq as you have nothing to offer. We are now on our third topic - you had nothing on the first two and nothing on this one either - and you have been insulting and abusive without presenting a single cogent argument to back up anything you say. Your claims are moronic, your evidence non-existent, and your ability to present a logical argument execrable. Further discussion with you is a waste of my time and brain power.

Looks like I am not the only one that can be insulting or abusive. Welcome to the club.

 

[LostInSeattle]

Looks like I am not the only one that can be insulting or abusive. Welcome to the club.

I criticized what you wrote, not you personally.

 

[Esoqq]

iNothing illegal at all about the Mueller investigation. It was conducted by Trump's own DOJ for goodness sake; stop making shit up.

As for all the rest, I have neither the time nor interest to respond to it all in this thread.

To recap:

You asserted that there were no credible allegations against Trump.
I demonstrated that there were.
You then said that it was ok to obstruct justice because the investigation was about nothing.
I showed that in fact it is never ok to obstruct justice, and that Trump seems to have done it repeatedly.
You then said (without any logic chain or substantiation) that the investigation was illegal so an illegal response to it was justified.b

So you have admitted that Trump obstructed justice and that it was illegal.

I rest my case.

When the rule of law is corrupt and has become a one sided affair, then you're justified in playing by the same rules as the other side is playing by. If your enemy is breaking the law, and they control the law, what else are you suppose to do. They were investigating Trump illegally from the earliest days of his throwing his hat into the ring. That's a fact, they came up with the fake dossier from a discredited former British spy who faked the whole thing. It's not justice when your enemy is using illegal means and fake charges to go after you.

 

[Da Mole]

I criticized what you wrote, not you personally.

This is what you actually said. "and you have been insulting and abusive without presenting a single cogent argument to back up anything you say. Your claims are moronic, your evidence non-existent, and your ability to present a logical argument execrable"

Go ahead and try to explain that all your criticism was directed not at me personally. Nothing said in that sentence pertained to the content of my statement. Your mission was to insult me and I am calling you out for your blatant liberal dishonesty.

 

[MTAtech]

When the rule of law is corrupt and has become a one sided affair, then you're justified in playing by the same rules as the other side is playing by. If your enemy is breaking the law, and they control the law, what else are you suppose to do. They were investigating Trump illegally from the earliest days of his throwing his hat into the ring. That's a fact, they came up with the fake dossier from a discredited former British spy who faked the whole thing. It's not justice when your enemy is using illegal means and fake charges to go after you.

What statute made the Mueller investigation "illegal?" What statute made the Congressional investigation and impeachment of Trump "breaking the law?" Isn't impeachment right in the constitution, which means it isn't illegal?
Notice this, Congress and the Democrats aren't just the opposing political party with different policy positions. They're the "enemy."

 

[Esoqq]

What statute made the Mueller investigation "illegal?" What statute made the Congressional investigation and impeachment of Trump "breaking the law?" Isn't impeachment right in the constitution, which means it isn't illegal?
Notice this, Congress and the Democrats aren't just the opposing political party with different policy positions. They're the "enemy."

It was based upon lies, lies to the Fisa court to begin with. There never was any evidence of Russian collusion, it was an unjust attack upon our president for purely political reasons. From before Trump ever got elected he was being illegally spied upon by the Obama administration and it just got worse from there, Time and time again Trump was wrongfully attacked, regardless of what he did. Covid breaks out, and when Trump discovered He and America had been lied too, he closed our borders to China for which he was called racist, then he closed the border to Europe for which he was labeled a Xenophobe, his actions saved two million people and Biden and company were forced to apologized to Trump. Trump came up with Warp Speed which produced vaccines in 1/4 of the time all the experts claimed it would take, Biden and Harris immediately cast doubts on the vaccine. Under Trump Black owned Businesses surged by 400% and Black home ownership surged similarly, after sinking to the lowest level in history. All minorities saw the lowest unemployment levels in history and the average tax paying family saw their income increase by $6.000 a year. He got our immigration under control and yet he was condemned every step of the way. Trump is a jerk, his personality belongs more in a board room than in the presidents chair, but his policies worked and America Benefitted greatly.

 

[MTAtech]

It was based upon lies, lies to the Fisa court to begin with. There never was any evidence of Russian collusion, it was an unjust attack upon our president for purely political reasons. From before Trump ever got elected he was being illegally spied upon by the Obama administration and it just got worse from there, Time and time again Trump was wrongfully attacked, regardless of what he did. Covid breaks out, and when Trump discovered He and America had been lied too, he closed our borders to China for which he was called racist, then he closed the border to Europe for which he was labeled a Xenophobe, his actions saved two million people and Biden and company were forced to apologized to Trump. Trump came up with Warp Speed which produced vaccines in 1/4 of the time all the experts claimed it would take, Biden and Harris immediately cast doubts on the vaccine. Under Trump Black owned Businesses surged by 400% and Black home ownership surged similarly, after sinking to the lowest level in history. All minorities saw the lowest unemployment levels in history and the average tax paying family saw their income increase by $6.000 a year. He got our immigration under control and yet he was condemned every step of the way. Trump is a jerk, his personality belongs more in a board room than in the presidents chair, but his policies worked and America Benefitted greatly.

Your post is all over the place, so I'm not going to waste my time addressing every point, which is false. I'll only address one.

No collusion, huh.

Bipartisan Senate Report Shows How Trump Colluded With Russia in 2016​

 

[pocket aces]

This is what you actually said. "and you have been insulting and abusive without presenting a single cogent argument to back up anything you say. Your claims are moronic, your evidence non-existent, and your ability to present a logical argument execrable"

Go ahead and try to explain that all your criticism was directed not at me personally. Nothing said in that sentence pertained to the content of my statement. Your mission was to insult me and I am calling you out for your blatant liberal dishonesty.

Done crying yet?