Biden Endorsed By Communist Party. If Biden Is A Communist, Is This Disqualifying?

[TheParser]

1. I do NOT think that Mr. Biden is a "communist."

2. And if he were, that would NOT disqualify him as a candidate.

3. If I am not mistaken, Bill de Blasio, the mayor of New York City, has been very chummy with communist/Marxist groups all this life (he and his bride honeymooned in Cuba and he supported the Sandinistas), but that has not prevented people from voting for him, unfortunately!

4. Mr. Biden is just an old-fashioned Democrat who has moved to the left. No Dem is excited about him, but Dems see him as the key to ousting President Trump and in promoting Ms. Kamala Harris to the presidency. According to most polls, the Biden-Harris ticket will win in two months, sadly.

 

[iguanaman]

So, you're dodging the question?

There are virtually no Communists left in the world no less in the U.S. It's a boogie man.

 

[ReubenSherr]

3. If I am not mistaken, Bill de Blasio, the mayor of New York City, has been very chummy with communist/Marxist groups all this life (he and his bride honeymooned in Cuba and he supported the Sandinistas), but that has not prevented people from voting for him, unfortunately!

Not a good defense of Biden here.

 

[Chomsky]

And Trump didn’t call soldiers losers and suckers. He denies it, and multiple people present have confirmed this.

You do understand my point here.

About the ethics of purposely introducing an unproven narrative about a candidate a week before ballots go out, so that people vote before the candidate has time to prove the accusation is false.

There's little doubt this, and all the books coming out now, are timed to:

1] Maximize profit

2] Be politically effective

But that is extraneous to the claims presented. All we can do is evaluate these claims, which are now being further verified by other orgs, is to look at the historical context. Given that, it's very possible Trump did indeed say these things. It's consistent with his ideologies.

In addition, while we of course would like the witnesses to come-out on the record, it is virtually impossible for them to do so. No one wants to be ruined by the most powerful man in the world, and subject themselves & their families to possible physical attack by his supporters. Lt. Col Vindmam is a perfect example of why they choose to remain anonymous. I don't blame them.

So, all we can do is use historical context to draw our own conclusions. But legal arguments fall short here. Elections are not done in a court of law, but rather in the court of public opinion. The key word here is, 'opinion'.

 

[Aunt Antifa]

Without confirming this story, IF the story is true, and Biden has ties to the U. S. Communist Party

Don’t threaten me with a good time!

 

[Chomsky]

And it's a far cry that an enemy of Trump's comes out of the woodwork just before the election making a claim of something that supposedly happened two years ago that no one thought to report two years ago?

Why wouldn't they. They're trying to maximize profit & effectiveness.

 

[Chomsky]

So, you're saying that if one of Biden's enemies made the accusation then it would be different?

My words speak for themselves.

 

[azgreg]

Was Trump endorsed by OBL’s niece? What kind of logic are you using?

Bin Laden niece backs Trump, says reelection 'vital' to future of Western civilization: Report - Washington Times

 

[Aunt Antifa]

And Trump didn’t call soldiers losers and suckers. He denies it, and multiple people present have confirmed this.

You do understand my point here.

About the ethics of purposely introducing an unproven narrative about a candidate a week before ballots go out, so that people vote before the candidate has time to prove the accusation is false.

Everyone Knows It’s True - The Atlantic

Which narrative do you think is closer to being proven in the public’s mind, and why: Joe Biden is a secret communist or Donald Trump doesn’t care about our troops?

 

[Mr Person]

The poll question simply says "IF the allegations are true, WOULD it be disqualifying?"

Sound familiar?

Yes, moronic smears based on lies masquerading as hypotheticals sound familiar.

Avakian clearly endorsed Biden.

David Duke and OBL's niece endorsed Trump.

Your thread is moronic.

 

[Mr Person]

Using the OP's logic what does it mean that Trump was endorsed by Osama Bin Laden's niece?

Was Trump endorsed by OBL’s niece? What kind of logic are you using?

I know this will be terribly confusing for you, smallvoice, but you see azgreg is criticizing the OP. He is, therefore, using the OP's logic. He is engaged in what is called a "reductio ad absurdum" argument. These are designed to show that the principles necessary to another person's argument lead to absurd results we would not agree with.

Let me help you understand. The OP is trying to suggest that because "the communist party" (aren't there hundreds of them - small little irrelevant groups?) endorsed Biden, Biden is in some way associated with him. Hence the OP's fake question about "if Biden has ties". OP's logic is: endorsement --> candidate ties to the endorsers.

If you apply that so-called logic to a member of the evil OBL's family endorsing Trump, then one would have to conclude that Trump has ties to the evil OBL's family. The OP would consider that result absurd. Therefore, OP's argument leads to absurd results. Therefore, it is a crap argument.




It really is sad that I had to spell it out in such detail.

 

[Manc Skipper]

Biden a communist? LOL! Bernie isn't even a socialist, (though he waves the flag)never mind Biden. Only in (rightwing extremist) America!

 

[trixare4kids]

And Trump didn’t call soldiers losers and suckers. He denies it, and multiple people present have confirmed this.

You do understand my point here.

About the ethics of purposely introducing an unproven narrative about a candidate a week before ballots go out, so that people vote before the candidate has time to prove the accusation is false.

I do. I remember when the left attempted to say Trump had/has ties to Putin and should be disqualified for office because Russia interfered with the 2016 election.

 

[Moderate Right]

Why wouldn't they. They're trying to maximize profit & effectiveness.

By lying in order to make money.

 

[Chomsky]

By lying in order to make money.

I don't think we can ascertain they're lying. We can say that their claims do fit the Trump narrative.

 

[ReubenSherr]

Yes, moronic smears based on lies masquerading as hypotheticals sound familiar.

David Duke and OBL's niece endorsed Trump.

Your thread is moronic.

Just as moronic as creating threads based on lies masquerading as hypotheticals, stating that Trump disrespected soldiers based on a sketchy tip from an anonymous source? Who claims to have heard this two years ago, but didn’t speak up until now?

A claim that has been refuted by Trump, as well as multiple named sources present at the time?

 

[AmNat]

Without confirming this story, IF the story is true, and Biden has ties to the U. S. Communist Party, would it disqualify him as a presidential candidate?

Communists approve Joe Biden for president - Washington Times

"Gains endorsement from long-standing chairman of the Revolutionary Communist Party USA"

"Bob Avakian, chairman of the Revolutionary Communist Party USA (RCPUSA), has endorsed Joe Biden for president.

Mr. Avakian, who has led the party since 1979, says he doesn’t particularly like Mr. Biden, but that electing him is necessary for “the overthrow of this system, as the fundamental solution to the continuing horrors this system causes for the masses of humanity.”

The street mobs of Black Lives Matter and Antifa, plus the radicalized “progressives” around Mr. Biden want to saddle America with central state socialism that looks a lot like communism, so Mr. Avakian’s endorsement shouldn’t be that surprising.

In contrast to America’s leadership of the Free World, communism has killed more people and created more misery than any other ideology. The death toll alone from communist regimes during the 20th century is at least 100 million."

It didn't disqualify Obama.

 

[99percenter]

Biden can't control who supports him. Most pedophiles and rapists vote republican. So do racists, neo nazis, and al qaeda members. Should trump get blamed when those groups endorse him?

 

[Nickyjo]

Not disqualifying (such as being born a citizen of a foreign nation or being under 35) but it would be a solid reason not to vote for him

The communist party endorsed unionization in the 1930s, MLK's movement, the anti-lynching movement, and Cesar Chavez's movement. Were those reasons to withhold support from those movements? Of course communists support them. They're supposed to thanks to their pro-worker, anti-segregationist beliefs. But why should they get the credit for work that non-communists liberals and lefties do? The call-em-a-commie thing is an old tactic to avoid rational discussion of policy and candidates. Eisenhower was no doubt called one for sending troops to integrate Little Rock in the 1950s. As Reagan supposedly said about some of his racist supporters, "just because they agree with me doesn't mean that I agree with them."

 

[Rogue Valley]

Without confirming this story, IF the story is true, and Biden has ties to the U. S. Communist Party, would it disqualify him as a presidential candidate?

Without confirming the story.

In other words, a Trump smear job.

You got the nads to post this when Donald Trump is known to be Putin's whore?

:rofl

 

[distraff]

Without confirming this story, IF the story is true, and Biden has ties to the U. S. Communist Party, would it disqualify him as a presidential candidate?

Communists approve Joe Biden for president - Washington Times

"Gains endorsement from long-standing chairman of the Revolutionary Communist Party USA"

"Bob Avakian, chairman of the Revolutionary Communist Party USA (RCPUSA), has endorsed Joe Biden for president.

Mr. Avakian, who has led the party since 1979, says he doesn’t particularly like Mr. Biden, but that electing him is necessary for “the overthrow of this system, as the fundamental solution to the continuing horrors this system causes for the masses of humanity.”

The street mobs of Black Lives Matter and Antifa, plus the radicalized “progressives” around Mr. Biden want to saddle America with central state socialism that looks a lot like communism, so Mr. Avakian’s endorsement shouldn’t be that surprising.

In contrast to America’s leadership of the Free World, communism has killed more people and created more misery than any other ideology. The death toll alone from communist regimes during the 20th century is at least 100 million."

I thought Biden was the soulless corporate party man and Bernie was the Marxist. Now Biden is a communist? The world is a strange place in Trump land.

 

[azgreg]

It didn't disqualify Obama.

That's because he's not a communist. Anyone who thinks so is a ****ing moron.

 

[ReubenSherr]

I thought Biden was the soulless corporate party man and Bernie was the Marxist. Now Biden is a communist? The world is a strange place in Trump land.

And Trump insulted military members, when he has done nothing but build the military back up since he was elected? And restore it to dignity?

The world is a strange place in Commie Biden land.

 

[JMR]

Avakian clearly endorsed Biden.

Would you say it would be unfair and unethical to draw attention to this story? Because Biden is innocent until proven guilty?

And that purposely drawing attention to an unconfirmed accusation right before voters receive mail in ballots, to try to change people's votes based on falsehoods, is unethical?

David Duke endorsed Donald Trump. Is that disqualifying?

 

[AmNat]

That's because he's not a communist. Anyone who thinks so is a ****ing moron.

His parents were communists and his mentors were communists. You might as well argue that Romney wasn't a Mormon (which I'm sure you'd be perfectly happy to do, if there were any political advantage in it).