Biden Denies Workers Are Turning Down Jobs to Collect Unemployment

[gbg3]

It was stupid to do it the last time. They knew it but did it anyway. Now that everyone sees that, of course there's not another proposal. Instead we have this BS from Democrats about it being the fault of businesses that nobody wants to work.

Exactly right! Plenty warned this is precisely what would happen. That last round could have/certainly should have been far more targeted, far less expensive overall, much shorter term, etc.. Now the very businesses which somehow barely managed to hang on through the worst of the pandemic - are the culprit according to the left. Meanwhile, this will crush many of them. Biden has created a mess in one area after another.

 

[jnug]

Exactly right! Plenty warned this is precisely what would happen. That last round could have/certainly should have been far more targeted, far less expensive overall, much shorter term, etc.. Now the very businesses which somehow barely managed to hang on through the worst of the pandemic - are the culprit according to the left. Meanwhile, this will crush many of them. Biden has created a mess in one area after another.

Plenty from the party that supported Donnie Rotten and the worst possible Pandemic response anybody could have dared imagine.

 

[Ikari]

Jobs are available everywhere now, so throwing out in the streets is playing to semantics.

No, we ran that model back during the industrial revolution and the such, throwing out in the streets is legitimate. It's one of the reasons we started constructing our social safety nets. And jobs may be available "all over", but the employers are going to need to be willing to pay appropriate labor costs to attract that labor.

 

[joko104]

Yeah, Biden has created a bit of a "situation" he'll have to figure out how deal with. Paying people too much money to stay home and not work was not the best plan for preventing business closures and letting the market simply work as it could following the pandemic. Biden is a mess!

The goal is to destroy as many more hundreds of thousands of competitors to Amazon, WalMart and the other mega billion dollar Chinese slave labor products retail outlets.

 

[Taylor]

There's no evidence that the $300/week is substantially altering peoples' decisions to go back to work or not. It's just not that much money.

Nobody is getting just $300/week. That's less than half of what most people get.

 

[joko104]

No, we ran that model back during the industrial revolution and the such, throwing out in the streets is legitimate. It's one of the reasons we started constructing our social safety nets. And jobs may be available "all over", but the employers are going to need to be willing to pay appropriate labor costs to attract that labor.

Explain why Amazon paying $15 and hour and WalMart paying $12 an hour is great - their employees unable to draw unemployment - while their merchant class competitors ordered closed should have to pay $30 an hour reopening to complete with the government paying them at least $15.25 per hour (minimum) to NOT get a job.

 

[Taylor]

The goal is to destroy as many more hundreds of thousands of competitors to Amazon, WalMart and the other mega billion dollar Chinese slave labor products retail outlets.

The Bezos (Washington) Post was comparing the "stressful" working conditions as a line cook to that of a cushy job in one of Amazon's fulfillment centers.

Leaked documents show how Amazon misled the public about warehouse safety issues

During the pandemic, Americans have become even more reliant on online shopping -- a realm Amazon continues to dominate. But the company’s vast inventory, fast shipping and low prices come with a dangerous tradeoff: an increased risk to workers rushing to fulfill orders. Will Evans of the Center...

www.pbs.org

Robots, Prime Day add to a mounting injury crisis at Amazon warehouses

Internal records show Amazon has deceived the public on rising injury rates among its warehouse workers; its DuPont facility had the highest rates of any Amazon fulfillment center in the country last year.

www.seattletimes.com

A Revolt Over Safety and Pay (Published 2020)

Workers for Instacart and Amazon staged walkouts, fearing coronavirus exposure on the job.

www.nytimes.com

 

[Deuce]

Nobody is getting just $300/week. That's less than half of what most people get.

That's the enhanced unemployment, so that's the relevant factor. Your side is claiming that enhanced unemployment specifically is what is keeping people at home.

Nobody is proposing we end all unemployment benefits.

 

[Callen]

Lots of sympathy and compassion for the employers and what Covid has put them through but I don't recall that same compassion and voiced support for all the employees that suffered equally if not more during the same timeframe. At least Dems were supportive of both small employers and employees.

 

[gbg3]

The goal is to destroy as many more hundreds of thousands of competitors to Amazon, WalMart and the other mega billion dollar Chinese slave labor products retail outlets.

That's exactly what will happen. The huge companies and the government will drown out the little guys now that the government has added themselves as an unsurmountable competitor to the little guys. The little guy doesn't stand a chance with muscled competition like that.

 

[iguanaman]

Yeah, Biden has created a bit of a "situation" he'll have to figure out how deal with. Paying people too much money to stay home and not work was not the best plan for preventing business closures and letting the market simply work as it could following the pandemic. Biden is a mess!

Yes he should have just let all the restaurants go out of business. Right? The problem is that restaurants pay their employees too little. If they want them back give them a raise.

 

[Taylor]

That's the enhanced unemployment, so that's the relevant factor. Your side is claiming that enhanced unemployment specifically is what is keeping people at home.

Nobody is proposing we end all unemployment benefits.

Nope. Nobody is arguing that just enhanced unemployment is what is keeping people at home. They are arguing that people make so much off of unemployment right now as to make work unattractive. There's a huge difference between $400 a week and $700 a week.

 

[Taylor]

That's exactly what will happen. The huge companies and the government will drown out the little guys now that the government has added themselves as an unsurmountable competitor to the little guys. The little guy doesn't stand a chance with muscled competition like that.

Yup. Democrats have never really been big supporters of small business, and it shows.

Small business confidence drops to all-time low after Biden election

Main Street business confidence hits an all-time low in the CNBC|Survey Monkey Small Business Survey for Q4 2020. The reason? Politics.

www.cnbc.com

 

[Sandy Shanks]

Plenty from the party that supported Donnie Rotten and the worst possible Pandemic response anybody could have dared imagine.

Then there is the other party, the party Trump Republicans don't want to talk about. They prefer talking about Democrats.

Trump told the devout members of his cult that the election was stolen from him. In a statement sent through his political action committee, Save America PAC, Trump blasted his loss in November as “The Fraudulent Presidential Election of 2020” and said it “will be, from this day forth, known as THE BIG LIE!”

NBC reports, "Liz Cheney may be done with former President Donald Trump, but her impending ouster from House Republican leadership is a clear sign, party insiders say, that the GOP isn't done with Trump.

"The calculation is that the party will be better off in the midterm elections embracing Trump than running from him, even if it means further alienating the kind of suburban voters who handed Democrats victories in 2018 and 2020."

"Removing Liz Cheney from leadership will give a boatload of ammunition to the GOP's critics," said Whit Ayres, a Republican pollster.

So will the GOP leadership's embrace of a man who agrees with the communist dictator of Russia. Trump and Putin both agree on “The Fraudulent Presidential Election of 2020.”

So does McCarthy, Scalise, and the vast majority of Republicans.

NBC continued, "Republicans plan to remove Cheney as chair of the House Republican Conference, the No. 3 position in House GOP leadership, in a move to demote the highest-ranking Republican who voted to impeach Trump early this year. She has vocally criticized Trump's "big lie" that the election last year was stolen."

Ayers warned that efforts to exile Cheney — the highest-ranking Republican woman in Washington and the daughter of former Vice President Dick Cheney — could further antagonize suburban voters, particularly college-educated women, who ditched the party because of their opposition to Trump.

Within four years the Republican Party lost the House, Senate, and the Presidency with Trump at the helm. Seven months later, without a shred of evidence and with 60 court cases going against him, Trump is still telling his flock that the election was stolen from him and used the lie to lead an insurrection against his own government.

The vast majority of American voters know all this. Democrats won't let them forget.

This begs a question. Why do McCarthy, Scalise, et.al. think they can win general elections by endorsing a known liar who has been impeached twice only to be exonerated by his own party by avoiding the evidence?

We won't get an answer because the GOP leadership only talks to safe venues (Fox), and Republicans on this forum don't talk at all.

 

[Callen]

The goal is to destroy as many more hundreds of thousands of competitors to Amazon, WalMart and the other mega billion dollar Chinese slave labor products retail outlets.

That's exactly what will happen. The huge companies and the government will drown out the little guys now that the government has added themselves as an unsurmountable competitor to the little guys. The little guy doesn't stand a chance with muscled competition like that

Exactly which small companies are we talking about? Please provide data on which sectors that compete with Amazon and Walmart are having trouble bringing back staff because of the unemployment benefits. These companies were failing long before Covid and it had nothing to do with the relief package.

 

[Callen]

I see that many restaurants are uping wages and adding incentives to attract experienced restaurant staff. They aren't closing their doors they are increasing wages! Guess the Dems got their $15 minimum wage in the Covid bill after all! Brilliant!!!!!

 

[nota bene]

well, if your friend says so, who are we to question

If you want to embarrass yourself with this undeserved and unprovoked snark, I won't try to stop you. But I would suggest that you read a bit more carefully--I didn't say "friend"; I said "member of my household."

 

[nota bene]

An upscale winery is likely to have upscale pay, more than McDonalds for sure.

You'd think so, but not necessarily (and definitely not for dishwashers).

 

[Buckeyes85]

Exactly which small companies are we talking about? Please provide data on which sectors that compete with Amazon and Walmart are having trouble bringing back staff because of the unemployment benefits. These companies were failing long before Covid and it had nothing to do with the relief package.

If Biden handed a starving child a cracker and glass of water, republicans would find a way to spin it into a sinister conspiracy to subvert the masses to his Marxist agenda and ruin America as we know it.

 

[jonny5]

Then Announces Push to Make Them Stop​

How true!!!!

Biden Denies Workers Are Turning Down Jobs to Collect Unemployment — Then Announces Push to Make Them Stop

President Biden on Monday claimed that generous unemployment benefits are not incentivizing people to remain out-of-work, arguing that Americans would return to the workforce for a “decent wage,” but nevertheless said that the administration would take action to push would-be workers to accept...

www.yahoo.com

Elaborate

 

[j brown's body]

Biden is probably right. After all, the majority of jobs gained last month were in lower income jobs, where the extra money would mean the most. Its higher income jobs that are lagging.

 

[joko104]

Exactly which small companies are we talking about? Please provide data on which sectors that compete with Amazon and Walmart are having trouble bringing back staff because of the unemployment benefits. These companies were failing long before Covid and it had nothing to do with the relief package.

Restaurants around here and elsewhere are shutting down or reducing hours - all dollars Amazon, WalMart etc and other international retail outlets of Chinese made products. It is a competition for dollars. They were not failing before covid-19. They did not fail at all. Self appointed totalitarian "executive" officers summarily ordered their operations illegal and ordered all their employees be laid off - making the eligible for unemployment. Amazon and WalMart were not ordered closed - including for any and all non-essentials - so their $12 to $15 dollar hour an employees could not and can not draw unemployment.

When those businesses of the half a million that were deliberately permanently destroyed for the power and wealth of the plutocrats and kleptocrats were allowed to reopen, the government offered all unemployed potential employees at least $625 per week/$15.25 per hour (here in Florida, with it over $1000 a month in some states) to NOT go back to work. Meanwhile, Amazon and WalMart and other mega companies and retail outlets for China still have their $12 to $15 per hour employees who can't get unemployment so are stuck.

That's exactly what has been done by China's Biden having taken control of the White House.

 

[j brown's body]

Yup. Democrats have never really been big supporters of small business, and it shows.

Small business confidence drops to all-time low after Biden election

Main Street business confidence hits an all-time low in the CNBC|Survey Monkey Small Business Survey for Q4 2020. The reason? Politics.

www.cnbc.com

That is simply a poll.

 

[Moderate Right]

I had the choice of continuing to collect unemployment and live on my severance. I preferred to take a straight commission sales job and be productive instead. By the way, I'm totally crushing it on my sales volume.

Oh, by the way, I'm a proud liberal. You see? We like to work, too!

Ummmmmmmmmmm, there is large unemployment of people sitting at home collecting checks while every single business and industry can't find workers. Good for you but one case out of millions doesn't mean anything.

 

[Moderate Right]

Your fake god Trump the Terrorist did not care what taxpayers do with their stimulus money. You are only criticizing President Biden for doing the same thing because he is a Democrat.

This is a thread about unemployment. Please try reading better next time.