Biden announces $33bn to help Ukraine in war

[RealityNow]

Im about 2.3 seconds from saying we should target Putin for removal in any way possible. If that doesn't work, we provide the remedy to bomb St Petersburg and Moscow into ashes.

I think the Russian people should amass a means to rid themselves of Putin and his circle, and get someone who has Democratic Respect for The People of Russian and stop allowing the Tyrant Savage Putin to continue with his old Soviet Era Madness warpped in his Hitler Mentality.
The Ideals situation I'd like to see Russia become to have Democratic Respect for The People of Russian and go even further and authorize "A U.N. Security Council to Oversee their Nuclear Weapons.

 

[Litwin]

 

[The Mark]

I haven't been paying close attention, but it's my understanding that an intelligence failure of massive proportions led to this.

As in, Russia thought they would roll into Ukraine and have local support.

They didn't.

Or if they did, it was nowhere near the scale they expected.

 

[Litwin]

I haven't been paying close attention, but it's my understanding that an intelligence failure of massive proportions led to this.

As in, Russia thought they would roll into Ukraine and have local support.

They didn't.

Or if they did, it was nowhere near the scale they expected.

yes, thats why many kgb thugs were arrested by other kgb thugs....

Looks like our CIA, MI5 guys know everything about Moscow Oriental thugs. Highest Ranking Putin´s General has Been Taken Out by Ukraine Military

Looks like our CIA, MI5 guys Know everything about Moscow Oriental thugs. Highest Ranking General Sent in to Secure Victory for Putin has Been Taken Out by Ukraine Military Guys we almost killed Butcher of Syrians - herr Gerasimov , oh its SO SO GOOD ))))...

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[W_Heisenberg]

Thanks, glad you agree the US government was supporting rebels. That's precisely what I have been saying. The US intervened in Ukraine and supported the coup.



Coup
noun
noun: coup; plural noun: coups; noun: coup d'état; plural noun: coup d'états; plural noun: coups d'état

1. 1.
   a sudden, violent, and illegal seizure of power from a government.

Sudden? Check.
Violent? Check.
Illegal? Check.


Stop thread bombing another thread when you don't get your way. You already thoroughly embarassed yourself on the other thread making it clear you are perfectly ok with atrocities, mass murder, etc so long as it is you doing it. Your hypocrisy is breathtaking.

You assumptions are not facts, they are only assumptions. That is your mistake.

 

[W_Heisenberg]

The US intervened in Ukraine and supported the coup.



Coup
noun
noun: coup; plural noun: coups; noun: coup d'état; plural noun: coup d'états; plural noun: coups d'état

1. 1.
   a sudden, violent, and illegal seizure of power from a government.

Sudden? Check.
Violent? Check.
Illegal? Check.

The word coup is a propaganda term when used in the Ukrainian context. You’re using it to deny the current Ukrainian government its legitimacy. The Maidan Uprising was a popular uprising or a revolution, but it was not a coup. And the subsequent and current government are expressions of the majority will of the Ukrainian people.

Here are some alternate descriptions of the word coup:

Coup d'état - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

A coup d'état (French for 'stroke of state'),[1] often shortened to coup in English[2] (also known as an overthrow), is a seizure and removal of a government and its powers. Typically, it is an illegal seizure of power by a political faction, rebel group, military, or a dictator.[3]

Coup d’etat | Definition, Examples, & Facts

Coup d’etat, the sudden, violent overthrow of an existing government by a small group. Unlike a revolution, in which large numbers of people work for basic social, economic, and political change, a coup is a change in power from the top that merely results in the replacement of leading...

www.britannica.com

coup d’état, also called coup, the sudden, violent overthrow of an existing government by a small group

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So, coup is associated with a dictator or the military or a small faction gaining power. It’s not commonly used to describe revolutions or popular uprisings. It may be difficult for you to understand but for people who love and appreciate democracy a coup is seen as having less legitimacy than a revolution or a popular uprising.

The Maidan uprising was not a coup. It was a popular uprising or revolution involving a large swath of the population and the goals of the Maidan uprising had majority support amongst the Ukrainian population.

When you use the word coup you are playing into Putin’s hands. That’s exactly how Putin wants you to describe it because saying or writing that the Maidan uprising was a coup is an attempt to take away from the current Ukrainian government its legitimacy. Putin is not stupid. Putin understands the West sympathizes with Ukraine because the West views Ukraine to be a democracy under assault by an autocrat. So when people use the word coup they can say: “See! There is nothing special about Ukraine! The West should not help Ukraine! Ukraine is not a democracy! The government is not an expression of the majority will of the Ukrainian people! We should not help Ukraine. Whether it’s the Russians that rule them or the coup plotters, it’s all the same!”

It’s straight up bullshit Russian propaganda.

But here’s the thing. You can make your points without having to lean on lies and Russian propaganda. Your points are just as valid even if you admit to yourself and others that Ukraine is a real democracy that has the majority support of the Ukrainian people.

You only hurt yourself and your argument when you stoop to using these lies.

 

[bave]

You assumptions are not facts, they are only assumptions. That is your mistake.

A definition is not an assumption, no matter how hard you struggle to avoid it.

Here are some alternate descriptions of the word coup:

Again, you are coming up with "alternate descriptions" because the *definition* is clearly not on your side. Seriously, this is pathetic.

The Maidan uprising was not a coup. It was a popular uprising or revolution involving a large swath of the population and the goals of the Maidan uprising had majority support amongst the Ukrainian population.

Ah yes, foreign intervention and "assistance" with a "popular uprising" that represented ~5% of the population, at the highest estimate.

But here’s the thing. You can make your points without having to lean on lies and Russian propaganda. Your points are just as valid even if you admit to yourself and others that Ukraine is a real democracy that has the majority support of the Ukrainian people.

You only hurt yourself and your argument when you stoop to using these lies.

Look, you already thoroughly embarassed yourself in the other thread. You love the atrocities and potentates when they are on your "side". You have no problem with the countless deaths caused by interventions when you agree with them, even when they end in countless deaths and crimes. You can't pretend to be outraged with Putin's actions when you praise and defend the actions of others doing the same and worse.

 

[watsup]

A definition is not an assumption, no matter how hard you struggle to avoid it.



Again, you are coming up with "alternate descriptions" because the *definition* is clearly not on your side. Seriously, this is pathetic.



Ah yes, foreign intervention and "assistance" with a "popular uprising" that represented ~5% of the population, at the highest estimate.



Look, you already thoroughly embarassed yourself in the other thread. You love the atrocities and potentates when they are on your "side". You have no problem with the countless deaths caused by interventions when you agree with them, even when they end in countless deaths and crimes. You can't pretend to be outraged with Putin's actions when you praise and defend the actions of others doing the same and worse.

More lies.