Biden Admin Weighing Shutting Down Oil Pipeline In Michigan

[anatta]

Revoking the permits for the [Line 5] pipeline that delivers oil from western Canada across Wisconsin, the Great Lakes and Michigan and into Ontario, would please environmentalists who have urged the White House to block fossil fuel infrastructure, but it would aggravate a rift with Canada and could exacerbate a spike in energy prices that Republicans are already using as a political weapon,” Politico Pro reported. “Killing a pipeline while U.S. gasoline prices are the highest in years could be political poison for Biden, who has seen his approval rating crash in recent months.”

The administration has not yet made a decision about the pipeline,
Sources told Politico Pro that the gathering of information on how shutting down the pipeline could impact fuel prices was only to give the Biden administration a clearer picture of the situation.

Biden Admin Weighing Shutting Down Oil Pipeline In Michigan As Gas Prices Skyrocket Across U.S.: Report | The Daily Wire

www.dailywire.com

 

[anatta]

original source is Political Pro - pay walled.
But the question is why on earth Biden would even consider shut down any pipeline? Then he begs OPEC for more

 

[Mycroft]

original source is Political Pro - pay walled.
But the question is why on earth Biden would even consider shut down any pipeline? Then he begs OPEC for more

The answer to your question is the answer to THIS question: Who stands to profit most?

We know it's not the US.

 

[jotathought]

I hope the Biden administration shuts down ALL fossil fuel producing opportunities ... and then when people are unable to afford fuel across the spectrum .. we know (again) who to point the finger at ...

Please Biden .. do it .. double dog dare you. Let's become even more dependent on foreign fuel instead of being the energy powerhouse we could be.

 

[anatta]

The answer to your question is the answer to THIS question: Who stands to profit most?

We know it's not the US.

dont follow you -and recall oil is fungible

 

[Peter]

Governments call for information on possibilities all the time.
It's so they can have an answer if someone asks them about it and you just know Fox will now ask about this constantly even if Biden decides to do nothing with the info.

 

[Roadvirus]

But the question is why on earth Biden would even consider shut down any pipeline?

Because he's a ****ing idiot.

 

[Roadvirus]

Revoking the permits for the [Line 5] pipeline that delivers oil from western Canada across Wisconsin, the Great Lakes and Michigan and into Ontario, would please environmentalists who have urged the White House to block fossil fuel infrastructure, but it would aggravate a rift with Canada and could exacerbate a spike in energy prices that Republicans are already using as a political weapon,” Politico Pro reported. “Killing a pipeline while U.S. gasoline prices are the highest in years could be political poison for Biden, who has seen his approval rating crash in recent months.”

The administration has not yet made a decision about the pipeline,
Sources told Politico Pro that the gathering of information on how shutting down the pipeline could impact fuel prices was only to give the Biden administration a clearer picture of the situation.

Biden Admin Weighing Shutting Down Oil Pipeline In Michigan As Gas Prices Skyrocket Across U.S.: Report | The Daily Wire

www.dailywire.com

I wonder how much our hyena of an Energy Sec. will laugh about this one.

 

[highroller]

Oil pipeline thru the largest body of freshwater in the world?

The tragedy of the commons on full display here.

 

[Jezcoe]

Oil pipeline thru the largest body of freshwater in the world?

The tragedy of the commons on full display here.

Yeah... the thing was built in the 50's, runs across a heavily trafficked spot in the largest body of fresh water in the world.

It is hard to make the case that it should have been built in the first place.

 

[Tbird19482]

Yeah... the thing was built in the 50's, runs across a heavily trafficked spot in the largest body of fresh water in the world.

It is hard to make the case that it should have been built in the first place.

Looks like some people on here think pipelines last forever
from what I have seen of these pipelines they are in bad shape and need to be replaced
what they should do is build a new one next to the old and keep a close on the old one in case it starts to leak and IF it does shut it down then
but if people would have read up on these pipelines they would know they are in bad shape and need replacing and that is the only reason they are talking of shutting them down
Have a nice day

 

[LostInSeattle]

Revoking the permits for the [Line 5] pipeline that delivers oil from western Canada across Wisconsin, the Great Lakes and Michigan and into Ontario, would please environmentalists who have urged the White House to block fossil fuel infrastructure, but it would aggravate a rift with Canada and could exacerbate a spike in energy prices that Republicans are already using as a political weapon,” Politico Pro reported. “Killing a pipeline while U.S. gasoline prices are the highest in years could be political poison for Biden, who has seen his approval rating crash in recent months.”

The administration has not yet made a decision about the pipeline,
Sources told Politico Pro that the gathering of information on how shutting down the pipeline could impact fuel prices was only to give the Biden administration a clearer picture of the situation.

Biden Admin Weighing Shutting Down Oil Pipeline In Michigan As Gas Prices Skyrocket Across U.S.: Report | The Daily Wire

www.dailywire.com

I'd like to suggest that you engage with more diligent and informative information sources, or the very least crosscheck what you read. This article is crafted specifically to create and further the idea that Biden in the pocket of environmentalists. It really gives no comprehensive picture of the situation.

This article makes only a passing effort at getting into the "why"" of shutting doesn the pipeline. It doesn't mention the age or condition of the pipeline, which was built in 1953 and is showing its age. It is also in one of the worst possible locations in the Great Lakes for a spill.

It also doesn't have any information - just insinuation - regarding the importance of Line 5 to supplying regional energy, and whether it's removal would actually raise prices or if other sources could take up the slack.

Finally, it doesn't mention local, non-environmental unhappiness with the line, that Enbridge was discovered in 2014 not to have been adhering to the spacing requirements for the support pylons, that numerous Michigan counties and municipalities have called for shutting down the pipeline. These are the people who live there and would be affected by both a spill and higher prices.

 

[Disputatious71]

Looks like some people on here think pipelines last forever
from what I have seen of these pipelines they are in bad shape and need to be replaced
what they should do is build a new one next to the old and keep a close on the old one in case it starts to leak and IF it does shut it down then
but if people would have read up on these pipelines they would know they are in bad shape and need replacing and that is the only reason they are talking of shutting them down
Have a nice day

Looks like people on here believe that pipelines are not maintained at all.
The truth is more likely that pipelines are better maintained than the average super tanker, railway car or semi truck that also hauls what a pipeline does…
Have a nice day!

 

[Tbird19482]

Looks like people on here believe that pipelines are not maintained at all.
The truth is more likely that pipelines are better maintained than the average super tanker, railway car or semi truck that also hauls what a pipeline does…
Have a nice day!

oh they are maintained but this pipeline is almost 70 years old and has had leaks and for one thing looks like hell.
keep an eye on it build a new one next to it then rebuild or take out the old one.
one of the biggest things people on the right are doing is telling people Biden is shutting down pipelines . well as of right now the only thing he has done is stopped the construction of the XL that was only 8% complete, they make it sound like these " Pipelines " are actually delivering oil to refineries and the XL wasn't.
and as for the line 5 pipeline they are looking at it to see just what to do and how to do it so it doesn't disrupt supplies
Have a nice day

 

[Disputatious71]

oh they are maintained but this pipeline is almost 70 years old and has had leaks and for one thing looks like hell.
keep an eye on it build a new one next to it then rebuild or take out the old one.
one of the biggest things people on the right are doing is telling people Biden is shutting down pipelines . well as of right now the only thing he has done is stopped the construction of the XL that was only 8% complete, they make it sound like these " Pipelines " are actually delivering oil to refineries and the XL wasn't.
and as for the line 5 pipeline they are looking at it to see just what to do and how to do it so it doesn't disrupt supplies
Have a nice day

The people on the left are thinking anything with petroleum is just the another tool evil white people use to enjoy making $$$, destroying the environment and oppressing the poor.

All I know for sure is that before January 6th we were energy independent and the economy was headed in a good direction, despite Covid. The pipelines and other choices by the current administration have made things worse. I know it’s a piece of the sad state of things now…

Have a nice day !

 

[Tbird19482]

The people on the left are thinking anything with petroleum is just the another tool evil white people use to enjoy making $$$, destroying the environment and oppressing the poor.

All I know for sure is that before January 6th we were energy independent and the economy was headed in a good direction, despite Covid. The pipelines and other choices by the current administration have made things worse. I know it’s a piece of the sad state of things now…

Have a nice day !

WHAT ??????????????????????
Oil " independent " before Jan 6th? LOL.
well yes I guess we were but we became oil DEPENDENT again back in early spring of 2020 so I guess technically we were oil " independent" before Jan 6th. but that was WAY before Jan 6 2020. like over 9 to 10 months before Jan 6th.
that is when we became oil " dependent " again.
Have you done any reading on the subject?
Yes we did become oil independent back in 2019 under Trump and the right was celebrating big time,
but then in the spring of 2020 the Saudi's and Russia had their oil price war and the US oil producers could not compete and instead of trying to they shut their wells down and we became oil DEPENDENT again
and it all happened back when TRUMP was President and BIDEN did NOT have anything to do with it.
and I have no idea where you get the idea to back up your first paragraph
and I will ask you the same question I have been asking for some time now
Just what pipelines ( that is plural pipelines ) that were actually delivering oil to refineries did Biden shut down?
actually just name me ONE .
again IF you had done some reading and a little research on the subject and not take what ever the right is spewing as 100% truth you may learn some thing.
IF you would have looked into the half truth the Right has been telling that Biden shut down oil pipelines . ( that is PIPELINES again )
He did NOT shut down any oil pipelines that were delivering oil to refineries NOT a one .
He shut down the construction of the Keystone XL pipeline NOT pipelineS and it was only 8% complete and wouldn't be done and delivering oil to refinery's for several years yet.
so there is NOTHING Biden did that decreased supplies and drove up gas prices so fast.
Have a nice day

 

[The flaming lib]

But the question is why on earth Biden would even consider shut down any pipeline? Then he begs OPEC for more

Cause he’s an idiot?

 

[The flaming lib]

Yeah... the thing was built in the 50's, runs across a heavily trafficked spot in the largest body of fresh water in the world.

It is hard to make the case that it should have been built in the first place.

and not a drop spilled. new pipeline was in the planning and ready to break ground hence the current interest in this by
Biden and big Gretch. new pipeline would be even deeper into the ground with anti anchor strike deflection. And state of the art detection systems for leaks would shut down the line from any possible,leaks

 

[Tbird19482]

and not a drop spilled. new pipeline was in the planning and ready to break ground hence the current interest in this by
Biden and big Gretch. new pipeline would be even deeper into the ground with anti anchor strike deflection. And state of the art detection systems for leaks would shut down the line from any possible,leaks

The line 5 pipeline HAS had many leaks

The Problem with the Line 5 Oil Pipeline

The aging Enbridge Line 5 pipelines threaten Michigan, the Great Lakes, and the climate every day. They carry Canadian crude oil through 21% of the world's fresh surface water at the heart of the Great Lakes.

www.oilandwaterdontmix.org

Line 5 has spilled 33 times and at least 1.1 million gallons along its length since 1968.
and as for the question anatta asked or said
But the question is why on earth Biden would even consider shut down any pipeline? Then he begs OPEC for more
for one thing Biden did NOT shut down any pipeline that was actually delivering oil to any refineries NOT ONE!!!
Biden has not shutdown line 5 like Michigan. Gov. Gretchen Whitmer wants.
The Biden Administration has announced that it is not, for now, supporting the closure of the Line 5 pipeline, which carries Canadian oil and gas across the border into Michigan. Gov. Gretchen Whitmer has pushed in recent months for the line’s closure, on environmental grounds. The Administration announced that it was not attempting to close Line 5 after all. Instead, it will continue a review by the Army Corps of Engineers and will maintain intensive talks with the Canadian government about the pipeline’s future.
and
Enbridge is currently building a replacement to the aging cross-border pipeline with a new one that can pump increased volumes of Canadian crude into the U.S. Construction of the project in the U.S. only began in December after years of regulatory and legal delays.

Oil & Gas News Home | RIGZONE

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so they have started to build anew pipeline to replace the line 5 pipeline,

so again people on the right are repeating half truths that make it sound like Biden is shutting the oil industry down when it is all lies
Please do some research before repeating these lies
have a nice night

 

[Disputatious71]

WHAT ??????????????????????
Oil " independent " before Jan 6th? LOL.
well yes I guess we were but we became oil DEPENDENT again back in early spring of 2020 so I guess technically we were oil " independent" before Jan 6th. but that was WAY before Jan 6 2020. like over 9 to 10 months before Jan 6th.
that is when we became oil " dependent " again.
Have you done any reading on the subject?
Yes we did become oil independent back in 2019 under Trump and the right was celebrating big time,
but then in the spring of 2020 the Saudi's and Russia had their oil price war and the US oil producers could not compete and instead of trying to they shut their wells down and we became oil DEPENDENT again
and it all happened back when TRUMP was President and BIDEN did NOT have anything to do with it.
and I have no idea where you get the idea to back up your first paragraph
and I will ask you the same question I have been asking for some time now
Just what pipelines ( that is plural pipelines ) that were actually delivering oil to refineries did Biden shut down?
actually just name me ONE .
again IF you had done some reading and a little research on the subject and not take what ever the right is spewing as 100% truth you may learn some thing.
IF you would have looked into the half truth the Right has been telling that Biden shut down oil pipelines . ( that is PIPELINES again )
He did NOT shut down any oil pipelines that were delivering oil to refineries NOT a one .
He shut down the construction of the Keystone XL pipeline NOT pipelineS and it was only 8% complete and wouldn't be done and delivering oil to refinery's for several years yet.
so there is NOTHING Biden did that decreased supplies and drove up gas prices so fast.
Have a nice day

Partisan reply…try again

 

[Disputatious71]

The line 5 pipeline HAS had many leaks

The Problem with the Line 5 Oil Pipeline

The aging Enbridge Line 5 pipelines threaten Michigan, the Great Lakes, and the climate every day. They carry Canadian crude oil through 21% of the world's fresh surface water at the heart of the Great Lakes.

www.oilandwaterdontmix.org

Line 5 has spilled 33 times and at least 1.1 million gallons along its length since 1968.
and as for the question anatta asked or said
But the question is why on earth Biden would even consider shut down any pipeline? Then he begs OPEC for more
for one thing Biden did NOT shut down any pipeline that was actually delivering oil to any refineries NOT ONE!!!
Biden has not shutdown line 5 like Michigan. Gov. Gretchen Whitmer wants.
The Biden Administration has announced that it is not, for now, supporting the closure of the Line 5 pipeline, which carries Canadian oil and gas across the border into Michigan. Gov. Gretchen Whitmer has pushed in recent months for the line’s closure, on environmental grounds. The Administration announced that it was not attempting to close Line 5 after all. Instead, it will continue a review by the Army Corps of Engineers and will maintain intensive talks with the Canadian government about the pipeline’s future.
and
Enbridge is currently building a replacement to the aging cross-border pipeline with a new one that can pump increased volumes of Canadian crude into the U.S. Construction of the project in the U.S. only began in December after years of regulatory and legal delays.

Oil & Gas News Home | RIGZONE

Oil & Gas News by RIGZONE - leading source of the latest news and insights for the oil & gas industry.

www.rigzone.com

so they have started to build anew pipeline to replace the line 5 pipeline,

so again people on the right are repeating half truths that make it sound like Biden is shutting the oil industry down when it is all lies
Please do some research before repeating these lies
have a nice night

Before January 6th we had a magical supply of oil, even shipping more out than we used domestically.

Biden gets inaugurated and he only shit down unused pipelines, thus reducing our supply enough to beg OPEC for more and release strategic reserves. Somehow gas prices are climbing and we are importing more than exporting now.

But again Biden did not do anything to disrupt domestic petroleum chain…

Wow, just wow!!!

 

[Tbird19482]

Before January 6th we had a magical supply of oil, even shipping more out than we used domestically.

Biden gets inaugurated and he only shit down unused pipelines, thus reducing our supply enough to beg OPEC for more and release strategic reserves. Somehow gas prices are climbing and we are importing more than exporting now.

But again Biden did not do anything to disrupt domestic petroleum chain…

Wow, just wow!!!

well Tell us just what oil pipeline that was actually delivering oil to refineries did Biden shut down?
I can't find any so PLEASE enlighten me , You seem to know all about it.
and for your info the Keystone line 3 has been finished being rebuilt and was re-opened back in late March ( add one pipeline that actually is delivering oil to refineries for Biden ) and they started to build the replacement for the Line 5 pipeline a couple of weeks ago ( in Dec, 2021 ) so that would be two NEW replacement oil pipelines for Biden
and here is a chart that shows US oil production

U.S. Crude Oil Production - Historical Chart

Interactive historical chart showing the monthly level of U.S. crude oil production back to 1983 from the US Energy Information Adminstration (EIA). Values shown are in thousands of barrels produced per day.

www.macrotrends.net

we became Oil " independent around June 2019 and if you look at the chart we were producing over 12 million barrels a day and peeked at 13.1 million barrels then as I have been saying the Saudi's and Russians had their oil price war and by Aug 2020 it went down to a little over 9 million barrels a day , and we became oil DEPENDENT again.
lets see Aug of 2020 wasn't TRUMP President NOT Biden ?
so common sense tells us that if we were oil " dependent when we were producing around 9 million barrels a day back in Dec . 2017 how would we be oil independent at the same amount in Aug 2020
when Biden came into office we were producing 10.9 Million barrels and it has been going up ever since
So please explain to us how you figure we were oil INDEPENDENT when Biden took office when were were producing way less then what it took to have us declared oil independent back in 2019
Have a nice day

 

[Tbird19482]

Before January 6th we had a magical supply of oil, even shipping more out than we used domestically.

Biden gets inaugurated and he only shit down unused pipelines, thus reducing our supply enough to beg OPEC for more and release strategic reserves. Somehow gas prices are climbing and we are importing more than exporting now.

But again Biden did not do anything to disrupt domestic petroleum chain…

Wow, just wow!!!

and as for your sarcasm about "Before January 6th we had a magical supply of oil, even shipping more out than we used domestically. "
My point is we were NOT oil independent when Biden took office and I have said that several times
we became oil " Independent " back in the summer of 2019 and in the Spring of 2020 when the oil war happened our oil producers shutdown a lot of their wells and we became oil DEPENDENT again
YES back in 2020 and TRUMP was President NOT Biden if you didn't know
Have a nice day

 

[eohrnberger]

and not a drop spilled. new pipeline was in the planning and ready to break ground hence the current interest in this by
Biden and big Gretch. new pipeline would be even deeper into the ground with anti anchor strike deflection. And state of the art detection systems for leaks would shut down the line from any possible,leaks

Point of fact, the new pipeline would be in a utility tunnel below the lake bed.

LANSING, MI — Construction on a proposed utility tunnel under the Straits of Mackinac to house a rebuilt section of the Enbridge Line 5 oil pipeline would not likely finish until 2028, according to documents posted online by the state of Michigan in response to a lawsuit.​

​

Enbridge contractors would not start building what it calls the Great Lakes Tunnel until the first quarter of 2024, according to the documents, which push back the launch of a huge utility project the company had previously estimated would be entirely finished that year.​

Line 5 tunnel wouldn’t be finished until 2028, documents indicate

Four-year construction project wouldn't begin until 2024, according to documents posted online following a lawsuit.

www.mlive.com

and wouldn't be operational for a number of years. Until it's in place, Line 5 is likely will need to remain operational until the new tunnel and line are.

 

[Tbird19482]

Point of fact, the new pipeline would be in a utility tunnel below the lake bed.

LANSING, MI — Construction on a proposed utility tunnel under the Straits of Mackinac to house a rebuilt section of the Enbridge Line 5 oil pipeline would not likely finish until 2028, according to documents posted online by the state of Michigan in response to a lawsuit.​

​

Enbridge contractors would not start building what it calls the Great Lakes Tunnel until the first quarter of 2024, according to the documents, which push back the launch of a huge utility project the company had previously estimated would be entirely finished that year.​

Line 5 tunnel wouldn’t be finished until 2028, documents indicate

Four-year construction project wouldn't begin until 2024, according to documents posted online following a lawsuit.

www.mlive.com

and wouldn't be operational for a number of years. Until it's in place, Line 5 is likely will need to remain operational until the new tunnel and line are.

From what I have been reading they may have already started building it.
Pending receipt of necessary permits and approvals, Enbridge anticipates beginning construction of the Great Lakes Tunnel in 2021 to house a replacement Line 5 segment in the Straits
that was the first thing that popped up on my search

Yahoo Search Results

search.yahoo.com

and I will see if I can find it again I read that they started building it a week or so ago
from what I read it was the GOV. of Michigan that wanted it shut down and Biden did a study and gave it the go ahead,
and with the condition of the old pipe they are going to keep a close eye on it and only shut it down if needed till the new one is complete
Have a nice day