Biden adds hurdles to federal grants for charter schools, keeps promise to teachers unions

[noonereal]

Since the radical left lubs, lubs, lubs the public schools that proves they are a socialist institution. Not that any proof is needed because a government run institution such as schools are the definition of socialism and control.

You are consistent.

 

[highroller]

If you want government money, you have to deal with the extra bullshit.

 

[noonereal]

How is that dealt with for those parents who are not deplorable and do not want their children falling in with bad company?

Its dealt with everyday in every poor community in the country.
The family unit is what keeps kids out of trouble, not schools.

 

[Helix]

Private schools should not be getting public funding.

 

[Plasmaball]

Public schools are socialism in action. We see the horrific results.

Are you example number one?

 

[CaughtInThe]

Don't we all know why certain people love religious and private schools?

They want to keep their kids away from those other people.

 

[braindrain]

Why not just fix the school instead of adding extra ones?

Because that seems to happening right?


Even harder when the people who have been running schools for the past several decades fight any meaningful change.

 

[braindrain]

I don't actually know, since I do not work as an educator of any sort.

I would say ask the teachers what they need to teach better, fire the ones who don't or won't, and go from there.

For ****s sake we have teachers buying school supplies with their own money in some places, clearly part of the issue is a lack of funding in some areas.

You do realize that it is the teachers union that makes firing bad teachers close to impossible right.

We actually already pay more per student then almost every country in the world despite not being anywhere near the top in quality of results. Perhaps more money isn’t the answer.

 

[TomFitz]

Well, as usual, this is a rant thread from the anti education crowd.

A nearly fact free piece in the Moonie Times was all it took to get all the anti education types reciting their tired old slogans.

 

[The Mark]

You do realize that it is the teachers union that makes firing bad teachers close to impossible right.

We actually already pay more per student then almost every country in the world despite not being anywhere near the top in quality of results. Perhaps more money isn’t the answer.

Generally speaking, it's a union's job to protect it's members.
That said, I have a problem with how the police unions protect their members in the USA, I think it can be taken too far. Same can apply to teacher's unions, probably.

And I think that the main problem is insufficient funding to pay teachers and provide school supplies, at least in some cases

Because that seems to happening right?


Even harder when the people who have been running schools for the past several decades fight any meaningful change.

I tend to think that if the school has problems, by which I mean the students are not being taught well and/or are not graduating, the things to look at first are who runs it and who funds it.
Especially if those two are limiting or directing school activities in a way that hinders the main goal of teaching students.
It is probably rare that a single cause is the reason, and often those who fund are also on advisory boards and such.

The main problem will almost never be the teachers or students, hierarchical human organizations just don't work like that, generally speaking. If the leadership is bad, the organization has issues, it's just that simple.

 

[TomFitz]

Private schools should not be getting public funding.

Yes, that‘s what the people who thought working people and slaves didn’t need to learn to read or write were saying 200 years ago.

 

[Helix]

Yes, that‘s what the people who thought working people and slaves didn’t need to learn to read or write were saying 200 years ago.

Fake news.

 

[The Mark]

Yes, that‘s what the people who thought working people and slaves didn’t need to learn to read or write were saying 200 years ago.

The intent behind the action was the issue, not the method of achieving it.

 

[braindrain]

Generally speaking, it's a union's job to protect it's members.
That said, I have a problem with how the police unions protect their members in the USA, I think it can be taken too far. Same can apply to teacher's unions, probably.

And I think that the main problem is insufficient funding to pay teachers and provide school supplies, at least in some cases


I tend to think that if the school has problems, by which I mean the students are not being taught well and/or are not graduating, the things to look at first are who runs it and who funds it.
Especially if those two are limiting or directing school activities in a way that hinders the main goal of teaching students.
It is probably rare that a single cause is the reason, and often those who fund are also on advisory boards and such.

The main problem will almost never be the teachers or students, hierarchical human organizations just don't work like that, generally speaking. If the leadership is bad, the organization has issues, it's just that simple.

That true. Which is maybe why the teachers union often fights any changes that might improve public education unless it also benefits teachers. And public education shouldn’t be about what is best for teachers but what is best for students.

How is insufficient funding the main cause of our poor schools when we already pay more per student then all but 4 countries. Do you think we are in the top 5 in results.

Your idea that the major problem will never be bad teachers or students is based on what exactly.

 

[CharloTexan]

It seems one more mistake from the Biden administration. Stop kids from having the ability to move from a failing school to a better one by slowing down charter schools formation.

Here's a better idea - invest the money necessary to fix the "failing" school, all of them. Free (to the educated) education provided by governing bodies should not be an afterthought.

 

[Paradoxical]

Are you example number one?

Of going to Catholic school? LMAO. when I came out here in the thenth grade to California, they were teaching stuff I learned in the third grade. Little wonder America is on the decline. Teachers in this socialized system call all the shots and dumb down everyone so the minorities won't have their feewings huwt.

 

[Carjosse]

That true. Which is maybe why the teachers union often fights any changes that might improve public education unless it also benefits teachers. And public education shouldn’t be about what is best for teachers but what is best for students.

How is insufficient funding the main cause of our poor schools when we already pay more per student then all but 4 countries. Do you think we are in the top 5 in results.

Your idea that the major problem will never be bad teachers or students is based on what exactly.

The average can be very misleading. Because you get schools with a lot of money inflating the average while there are also many schools, especially in poorer areas that do not have the funding. The average can hide that disparity. Funding schools at a higher level instead of through property taxes can help solve that disparity.

Money is certainly not everything though after a certain point but it certainly helps.

 

[highroller]

If these charter schools really want to educate the population, they should lower the cost of their education. Demanding that I pay for somebody else is education without the ability to demand my oversight is thievery.

 

[Phys251]

It looks like the Biden administration* has chosen to go to war with the nation's students and parents, on behalf of the teachers unions:

Biden adds hurdles to federal grants for charter schools, keeps promise to teachers unions

The Biden administration is set to impose new rules for federal education grants that critics say are designed to limit the growth of public charter schools.

www.washingtontimes.com

Charter schools weaken public schools. Good for President Biden.

 

[braindrain]

The average can be very misleading. Because you get schools with a lot of money inflating the average while there are also many schools, especially in poorer areas that do not have the funding. The average can hide that disparity. Funding schools at a higher level instead of through property taxes can help solve that disparity.

Money is certainly not everything though after a certain point but it certainly helps.

I agree it’s not a perfect metric.

I also don’t think the normal answer of just spend more money will fix the problem. It hasn’t done so yet.

 

[NolanVoyd]

Some facts.

"In evaluating some of the statistical studies that seek to compare the performance of charter and public schools, recent investigations conducted by the Center for Research on Education Outcomes (CREDO) at Stanford University reveal that students' test scores prove that public schools are now outperforming charter schools."

Another study reported by the New York Daily News found that public schools and charter schools in New York City showed equally “dismal” performance on state assessments aligned to more rigorous standards. Just 25 percent of charter school students achieved proficiency in English, one percent less than public school students"

Charter Schools vs. Traditional Public Schools: Which One is Under-Performing? - PublicSchoolReview.com

Learn about whether charter schools or traditional public schools are enjoying better academic performance amongst their students. What do the test results reveal?

www.publicschoolreview.com

And public schools take everyone, charter schools often don't take special needs kids because they don't offer programs......making the fact that their results aren't better even worse.

 

[Carjosse]

I agree it’s not a perfect metric.

I also don’t think the normal answer of just spend more money will fix the problem. It hasn’t done so yet.

Yes because it has to be spent in the right places. Paying teachers well is a part of that, you won't get good education without being able to attract good teachers and keep them.

 

[j brown's body]

Because regulations, bureaucracy, and teachers unions get in the way. Plus, the lack of competition leads to poor quality, as is so often the case.

You could at least pretend to try.

 

[Gnosis]

Public schools are socialism in action. We see the horrific results.

If you think that public education, public roads, public health, etc. are "socialism", then I can see why you would think that. But elaborate for us: Do you or do you not want the federal government to fund charter schools? That fits your elementary (read: wrong) definition of "socialism," does it not? Furthermore, what "horrific results" do you determine to be the cause of public schooling?

 

[j brown's body]

Some facts.

"In evaluating some of the statistical studies that seek to compare the performance of charter and public schools, recent investigations conducted by the Center for Research on Education Outcomes (CREDO) at Stanford University reveal that students' test scores prove that public schools are now outperforming charter schools."

Another study reported by the New York Daily News found that public schools and charter schools in New York City showed equally “dismal” performance on state assessments aligned to more rigorous standards. Just 25 percent of charter school students achieved proficiency in English, one percent less than public school students"

Charter Schools vs. Traditional Public Schools: Which One is Under-Performing? - PublicSchoolReview.com

Learn about whether charter schools or traditional public schools are enjoying better academic performance amongst their students. What do the test results reveal?

www.publicschoolreview.com

And public schools take everyone, charter schools often don't take special needs kids because they don't offer programs......making the fact that their results aren't better even worse.

Yes, perhaps the best way to look at charter schools is, they aren't for everyone, and that makes them, as a government responsibility, unjust.