davidtaylorjr
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I guess it depends what really happened. Some witnesses claim he was shooting kids at the bus stop and other people but the little angel claims he was in his own yard shooting targets. If he was in his yard nothing should happen but if he was shooting at kids at the bus stop he should be suspended. Hard to judge until the real facts are brought to light.
If they were on their personal property and shooting toward other children at the bus stop (not on the bus) I still don't quite see how that's the SCHOOL'S place to punish. Shouldn't that be dealt with between the kids and their parents?
Maybe - if they were shooting AT the kids on the bus THROUGH the windows would it make sense for the school to punish the student.
School should have defined lines and situations where they do NOT become involved. They are not the long arm of the law.
I guess it depends what really happened. Some witnesses claim he was shooting kids at the bus stop and other people but the little angel claims he was in his own yard shooting targets. If he was in his yard nothing should happen but if he was shooting at kids at the bus stop he should be suspended. Hard to judge until the real facts are brought to light.
That was my thought on it. A lot of times a designated "bus stop" is nothing more than the kids front yard.
Yeah - my kid's bus stop is at the corner of our yard. We have other children come around, too. :shrug: If something happens it's between the kids/parents - not the school/kids. :shrug:
Thanks, but I can punish my own dang kids when they do something wrong on my own dang lawn.
If they were shooting at kids at the bus stop (and it sounds like they were), then the school gets involved. If a kid doesn't know that he shouldn't shoot BBs at other kids, he deserves a good swift kick in the ass. But, as I read it, mom's stepped up and defended him. "He was on his own property." That's the real problem here.
Do schools regulate bus stops? I could see them regulating the busses themselves. But Im pretty sure they dont have control over where someone stands to get on the bus. Thats the jurisdiction of the city.
So. Let's exaggerate to the absurd. Kid gets real gun and tries to shoot another kid at the bus stop. Do you think he should be suspended? Or business as usual while awaiting his criminal consequences?
If they were on their personal property and shooting toward other children at the bus stop (not on the bus) I still don't quite see how that's the SCHOOL'S place to punish. Shouldn't that be dealt with between the kids and their parents?
Maybe - if they were shooting AT the kids on the bus THROUGH the windows would it make sense for the school to punish the student.
School should have defined lines and situations where they do NOT become involved. They are not the long arm of the law.
If they were shooting at kids at the bus stop (and it sounds like they were), then the school gets involved. If a kid doesn't know that he shouldn't shoot BBs at other kids, he deserves a good swift kick in the ass. But, as I read it, mom's stepped up and defended him. "He was on his own property." That's the real problem here.
Two seventh-grade students in Virginia Beach, Va., were handed long-term suspensions Tuesday that will last until the end of the school year for playing with an airsoft gun in one of their front yards while waiting for the school bus.
WAVY-TV reports that 13-year-old Khalid Caraballo and Aidan Clark will face an additional hearing in January to determine if they will be expelled for "possession, handling and use of a firearm" because the guns were fired at two others playing in Caraballo's yard.
The school's so-called "zero-tolerance" policy on guns extends to private property, according to the report.
You have a valid point, but in my view schools should not be suspending children for actions that are not related to their participation in school life and their responsibilities to the school. Punishing a child should always fit the crime - how is denying the child education a constructive punishment for actions unrelated to the school?
You have a valid point, but in my view schools should not be suspending children for actions that are not related to their participation in school life and their responsibilities to the school. Punishing a child should always fit the crime - how is denying the child education a constructive punishment for actions unrelated to the school?
I guess where we're disagreeing is whether or not it had anything to do with school. I remember reading that it happened right by a school bus stop. Sans that, I would agree with you.
The school does not have any legal claim though, they may enforce rules within their property, of which a bus stop isn't, and when the kids are on school extra curricular trips, in which a parent signs off liability for their child for the duration of that trip. If the child broke the law by firing on others, let the police handle it.I guess where we're disagreeing is whether or not it had anything to do with school. I remember reading that it happened right by a school bus stop. Sans that, I would agree with you.
I guess where we're disagreeing is whether or not it had anything to do with school. I remember reading that it happened right by a school bus stop. Sans that, I would agree with you.
They SHOULD be suspending kids who might be dangerous to other students.