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Bernie Sanders Plan

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He knows he has no chance of winning.

He intends to carry on in order to build up his Rolodex of new "young" democratic voters (contact addresses) and which he will sell to the highest bidder after the convention.

And finally; he is allowed to use any campaign funds which are remaining as he withdraws for his own personal use.

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Okay. What on earth about Sanders' past leads you to believe this is just a money grab?

My take is that he's staying in the race to try to get a majority of pledged delegates, so he can point to the superdelegates that give Hillary the nomination and say "this system is whacked." And he'd be right.
 

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My take is that he's staying in the race to try to get a majority of pledged delegates

Given that this is essentially impossible for him, it's probably something else.
 

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He is hoping to have Hillary implode and have a wave of protests at the convention that will either her guilt her out of the top spot (highly unlikely) or have her suffer some mysterious ailment that will cause her to step down for the good of the party.
 

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Given that this is essentially impossible for him, it's probably something else.

No it's not. He's about 270 behind with several more conventions to go.
 

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Okay. What on earth about Sanders' past leads you to believe this is just a money grab?

My take is that he's staying in the race to try to get a majority of pledged delegates, so he can point to the superdelegates that give Hillary the nomination and say "this system is whacked." And he'd be right.

He's getting close to retirement. ;)
 

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He's getting close to retirement. ;)
And he is having the time of his life. He wants to go out in a blaze of glory. Both parties in the future are going to be a whole lot more careful about who they let run in their primaries, if the courts will allow it.
 

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No it's not. He's about 270 behind with several more conventions to go.

That is correct, but there is a large, major, really important detail omitted from your post. To gain that many pledge delegates, he would need to win by huge margins the remaining contests, which is virtually impossible.
 

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That is correct, but there is a large, major, really important detail omitted from your post. To gain that many pledge delegates, he would need to win by huge margins the remaining contests, which is virtually impossible.

He is thinking that he can shame a much of superdelegates to switch, or at least he is saying so to justify keeping on keeping on. Man oh man Sanders blows through tons of money, this is fun time.
 

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That is correct, but there is a large, major, really important detail omitted from your post. To gain that many pledge delegates, he would need to win by huge margins the remaining contests, which is virtually impossible.

California is what it all comes down to, really.
 

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Sanders had a lifetime to show his stuff.

He enjoyed all the perks of congress and now as he enters retirement, he is building up his nest egg.

I am not suggesting that he is dishonest.

What he is about to do is not illegal.

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Breaking Through Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump
“What would you tell the American people to do?” Nader asked. “They still have the sovereign power. Congress is only 535 men and women. What would you have them do in this election year? It doesn’t look like we are going to get much change from Trump or from Hillary the Hawk. A major article in the New York Times Magazine — a newspaper that endorsed her — had a leading article a few days ago on how incredibly hawkish she is, in addition to being a Wall Street sympathizer. What would you urge people to do?”
“Kshama Sawant and I spoke with Bernie Sanders at an event we did together the night before the climate march,” Hedges said. “We had urged Sanders not to run as a Democrat for precisely the reasons that are now evident. The Democratic Party establishment had fixed the system against him. He did surprisingly well given that they lock out independents, they have superdelegates, Clinton has super PACs.”
“In a fair election, where corporate money did not dominate, he would have beat her,” Hedges said. “This was not a fair election. And Sanders unfortunately has announced that he will endorse the nominee, which is very clearly going to be Clinton. And in that moment, he becomes an impediment to progress.”
“Kshama Sawant and Socialist Alternative has put up a petition calling on Sanders to run as an independent in the Green Party. But if Sanders isn’t going to step out and help us build a system free of corporate dominance — and the Republican and Democratic parties are of course completely beholden to corporate money and corporate power — then we have to do it without him. And we have to stop getting caught up in these election cycles.”
“Obviously, an independent isn’t going to win. We have to think about what is going to happen five and ten years from now. We have to begin a movement. If five or ten million people will vote for an independent, that’s five or ten million votes for single payer health care. That’s ten million votes for stopping endless war. That’s ten million votes for the regulation of Wall Street.”
“And the system will only respond when we stand up to defend ourselves. And unfortunately, the system has been quite astute, using that mantra of the least worst. Most people see through Clinton. They will attempt to demonize Trump in a way that makes people grit their teeth and go into the ballot booth and vote for the Democratic anointed candidate. We have to stop playing that game.”
Nader argued that “nothing can stop Bernie Sanders from leading a civic movement.”
“He could fill the mall in the fall with hundreds of thousands of people then regionalize the demonstrations and create a civic movement. He doesn’t have to be a toadie to Hillary. Now with all the people supporting him, and all the contributions and donations, he could be a major civic force as a U.S. Senator.”
Hedges wasn’t buying it.
“He could be, but I’ll tell you why he won’t — because he told me,” Hedges said. “When we pushed him to run as an independent, his response was — I don’t want to end up like Ralph Nader. And what does that mean? It means the Democrats worked out a quid pro quo with him — whereby he blocks third party movements in Vermont and they do not run a serious candidate against him for his Senate seat. They allow him to sit with the Democratic caucus. They give him a committee chairmanship. He knows that all of that will be taken from him if he defies the party.”
Nader said that in the coming days, “there are going to be demands by the corporate Democrats for Bernie to drop out — drop out Bernie, drop out.”
“He’s about to get the same treatment,” Nader said. “They are basically saying to Bernie Sanders — drop out, otherwise, you will be like Ralph Nader. He’s going to get the same treatment.”
Hedges said that the problem is Sanders “has already said that he will support the nominee.”
“At that point, he attempts to funnel the energy and enthusiasm — I don’t think it’s going to work, especially with the younger voters,” Hedges said. “He will function the way Van Jones functioned in the last election. Van Jones was running around saying — Occupy the Vote. We are at a different moment in American history. People have seen through the system, both on the left and the right. That’s how you have seen the Republican Party implode. But unless Sanders is willing to defy the Democratic establishment — and up until this point he has shown no interest in doing that — we are going to have to do it without Bernie Sanders.”
KPFK - The Ralph Nader Radio Hour
Hosts Steve Skrovan and David Feldman interview Ralph Nader and Christopher Lynn "Chris" Hedges
May 07, 2016
https://ralphnaderradiohour.com/chris-hedges-mark-green-karen-friedman
 
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No it's not. He's about 270 behind with several more conventions to go.

That's an insurmountable lead in a proportional primary system that's winding down. He's not going to win CA by 60 points. More than likely he won't win it at all.
 

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Sanders is having so much fun right now. I don't know if he really thinks he will get the already purchased super-delegate hillary has in her pocket? The only way he will get those if the powers that be don't want hillary to be the nominee anymore.
 

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My only wish was I could have voted for him in my state. I was registered republican which did not allow me to vote the democrat ticket. I had forgot I switched to republican because I knew Obama would have not be contested. Oh well.
 

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That's an insurmountable lead in a proportional primary system that's winding down. He's not going to win CA by 60 points. More than likely he won't win it at all.

I'm certainly not claiming it's realistic. However, if I had to guess as to his mindset, that's my guess. I don't buy calm's little conspiracy theory about a guy who's lived a relatively spartan existence in relation to his peers is suddenly going all Scrooge McDuck on us.
 

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I'm certainly not claiming it's realistic. However, if I had to guess as to his mindset, that's my guess. I don't buy calm's little conspiracy theory about a guy who's lived a relatively spartan existence in relation to his peers is suddenly going all Scrooge McDuck on us.

Agreed somewhat, but I think it's even simpler. In case he doesn't pull this off, he just wants to have a chance to shape the democratic platform with the influence of his delegates for leverage. Occams razor. And he already pushed Clinton to the left.
 

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I'm certainly not claiming it's realistic. However, if I had to guess as to his mindset, that's my guess. I don't buy calm's little conspiracy theory about a guy who's lived a relatively spartan existence in relation to his peers is suddenly going all Scrooge McDuck on us.

He's been making six figures for three decades. His wife was a university administrator also making six figures.

"Spartan existence" is a bit strong.
 

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California is what it all comes down to, really.

The last polls I saw out of California has Clinton out front by double digits.
 

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He's been making six figures for three decades. His wife was a university administrator also making six figures.

"Spartan existence" is a bit strong.

What part of "in relation to his peers" did you miss?
 

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He's been making six figures for three decades. His wife was a university administrator also making six figures.

"Spartan existence" is a bit strong.

His net worth has been listed at just over $500,000 which is nice and all but puts him well down the senator list.
 

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Okay. What on earth about Sanders' past leads you to believe this is just a money grab?

My take is that he's staying in the race to try to get a majority of pledged delegates, so he can point to the superdelegates that give Hillary the nomination and say "this system is whacked." And he'd be right.

yeah, that's probably closer to the truth. seems to me like he's using a form of the Bully Pulpit to remind Democrats and independents where to put the goalposts.
 

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That's an insurmountable lead in a proportional primary system that's winding down. He's not going to win CA by 60 points. More than likely he won't win it at all.

Please don't tell me you're actually buying the bull**** the OP is selling...
 

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Please don't tell me you're actually buying the bull**** the OP is selling...

I don't know that he's scheming to sell his donor database, no. I do think it became patently obvious sometime around the time he inexplicably decided to leave the campaign trail before the NY primary to jet off to Rome for the weekend that he's enjoying the lifestyle quite a bit. Not to mention the adulation (if indeed he actually believes his fundraising pitch that he can still win as some seem to think, then he's definitely let it all go to his head to a disturbing degree.)
 
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