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Bernie Sanders faces progressive backlash over State of the Union response

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Bernie Sanders faces progressive backlash over State of the Union response

On Twitter and other social media, as well as some publications, Sanders came under fire for a move seen as competing with Stacey Abrams, the former Georgia gubernatorial candidate who was chosen by the Democrats to respond to the president's speech.

As Vox frames the controversy, "Sanders’s Democratic critics are accusing him of trying to upstage a black woman, part of what they say is a long-running blind spot on issues of race and gender."

It's absurd with his incessant acts of "vote splitting" conduct, in how he wants to ignore and usurp the fact the Democrats had already selected someone to give the Rebuttal.... !!!!!

It's time for Sanders to go side down and deal with his State Concerns.... He has not even come close to considering to be aware of his vote splitting acts and the damages he did in 2016. Not knowing when to sit down even then, when he hitched a ride on the Democratic Ticket and then Disrespected the Democratic Party's own Nominee when it was clear the delegates were not for him, and then bringing his sour face to the Democratic Convention after not knowing or caring to bring his voters to Support the Democratic Ticket and its Nominee.

Now, here he which his "Vote Splitting Presence", again by the same acts of "vote splitting" in being as if nothing more than a adjunct operative of Trump promotion, and he's not even concerned to be aware of doing and being so. "His continual opposition to Democratic Platform Agenda Elements, promotes nothing more than Vote Splitting, while he selectively attacks Democratic positions.
He is not of the demeanor to be President, with that whiny like delivery and the ideals that push too far to the left, as if he thinks he can turn and Ocean Liner of a Nation on a pin head. he has nothing more than "two items", one is "to back and support the principle of Medicare for All", "Access to higher Education with lower cost, to no cost for Community Colleges". He can do that from a Senatorial Seat... if he thinks he so capable of being effective, then be so... in the Senate and build a Bi Partisan Coalition to support it.
 
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It's absurd with his incessant acts of "vote splitting" conduct, in how he wants to ignore and usurp the fact the Democrats had already selected someone to give the Rebuttal.... !!!!!

It's time for Sanders to go side down and deal with his State Concerns.... He has not even come close to considering to be aware of his vote splitting acts and the damages he did in 2016. Not knowing when to sit down even then, when he hitched a ride on the Democratic Ticket and then Disrespected the Democratic Party's own Nominee when it was clear the delegates were not for him, and then bringing his sour face to the Democratic Convention after not knowing or caring to bring his voters to Support the Democratic Ticket and its Nominee.

Now, here he which his "Vote Splitting Presence", again by the same acts of "vote splitting" in being as if nothing more than a adjunct operative of Trump promotion, and he's not even concerned to be aware of doing and being so. "His continual opposition to Democratic Platform Agenda Elements, promotes nothing more than Vote Splitting, while he selectively attacks Democratic positions.
He is not of the demeanor to be President, with that whiny like delivery and the ideals that push too far to the left, as if he thinks he can turn and Ocean Liner of a Nation on a pin head. he has nothing more than "two items", one is "to back and support the principle of Medicare for All", "Access to higher Education with lower cost, to no cost for Community Colleges". He can do that from a Senatorial Seat... if he thinks he so capable of being effective, then be so... in the Senate and build a Bi Partisan Coalition to support it.

Sanders has always given his own rebuttal since 2016 I believe; where was all the fanfare and outrage about the prior years? Is it because we're getting close to the primaries and his candidacy remains an open question that it's time for his political opponents within the Dem party to suddenly try and frame this as a faux pas? Beyond that, as someone intimately involved in the progressive movement, I've neither encountered nor heard of any such backlash. In fact the entire 'controversy' was rooted in disinformation that he delivered his response at the same time as Abrams.

A good breakdown of this absurd forced drama:

 
It's absurd with his incessant acts of "vote splitting" conduct, in how he wants to ignore and usurp the fact the Democrats had already selected someone to give the Rebuttal.... !!!!!

It's time for Sanders to go side down and deal with his State Concerns.... He has not even come close to considering to be aware of his vote splitting acts and the damages he did in 2016. Not knowing when to sit down even then, when he hitched a ride on the Democratic Ticket and then Disrespected the Democratic Party's own Nominee when it was clear the delegates were not for him, and then bringing his sour face to the Democratic Convention after not knowing or caring to bring his voters to Support the Democratic Ticket and its Nominee.

Now, here he which his "Vote Splitting Presence", again by the same acts of "vote splitting" in being as if nothing more than a adjunct operative of Trump promotion, and he's not even concerned to be aware of doing and being so. "His continual opposition to Democratic Platform Agenda Elements, promotes nothing more than Vote Splitting, while he selectively attacks Democratic positions.
He is not of the demeanor to be President, with that whiny like delivery and the ideals that push too far to the left, as if he thinks he can turn and Ocean Liner of a Nation on a pin head. he has nothing more than "two items", one is "to back and support the principle of Medicare for All", "Access to higher Education with lower cost, to no cost for Community Colleges". He can do that from a Senatorial Seat... if he thinks he so capable of being effective, then be so... in the Senate and build a Bi Partisan Coalition to support it.

When the D's picked a nobody to give their talking points they should have expected this.
 
It's absurd with his incessant acts of "vote splitting" conduct, in how he wants to ignore and usurp the fact the Democrats had already selected someone to give the Rebuttal.... !!!!!

It's time for Sanders to go side down and deal with his State Concerns.... He has not even come close to considering to be aware of his vote splitting acts and the damages he did in 2016. Not knowing when to sit down even then, when he hitched a ride on the Democratic Ticket and then Disrespected the Democratic Party's own Nominee when it was clear the delegates were not for him, and then bringing his sour face to the Democratic Convention after not knowing or caring to bring his voters to Support the Democratic Ticket and its Nominee.

Now, here he which his "Vote Splitting Presence", again by the same acts of "vote splitting" in being as if nothing more than a adjunct operative of Trump promotion, and he's not even concerned to be aware of doing and being so. "His continual opposition to Democratic Platform Agenda Elements, promotes nothing more than Vote Splitting, while he selectively attacks Democratic positions.
He is not of the demeanor to be President, with that whiny like delivery and the ideals that push too far to the left, as if he thinks he can turn and Ocean Liner of a Nation on a pin head. he has nothing more than "two items", one is "to back and support the principle of Medicare for All", "Access to higher Education with lower cost, to no cost for Community Colleges". He can do that from a Senatorial Seat... if he thinks he so capable of being effective, then be so... in the Senate and build a Bi Partisan Coalition to support it.

Rest assured that Sanders would do more harm to demorats by running for POTUS as an independent. The fact that many demorats, as of late, are moving towards the policy positions of Sanders seems to be the larger issue (problem?) for demorats.
 
Bernie is going to be smeared again the same as he was in 2016, not a surprise. CNN and WaPo both have it out for him especially bad and the more he gains traction the more they're going to frame him as a radical socialist, sexist, racist, and a divider of Democrats. The only time they speak positively of him is when he does an above average job of slamming Trump about something.
 
Bernie is going to be smeared again the same as he was in 2016, not a surprise. CNN and WaPo both have it out for him especially bad and the more he gains traction the more they're going to frame him as a radical socialist, sexist, racist, and a divider of Democrats. The only time they speak positively of him is when he does an above average job of slamming Trump about something.

Yes, but he had no business going after Abrams. It was like, "Well, this little black girl is gonna **** it up, so let me make sure I go in behind her and bat cleanup."
 
Yes, but he had no business going after Abrams. It was like, "Well, this little black girl is gonna **** it up, so let me make sure I go in behind her and bat cleanup."

Except that this is literally something he's done every year since 2016; there's obviously no such intent here. This is just something he's always done in recent history.
 
Except that this is literally something he's done every year since 2016; there's obviously no such intent here. This is just something he's always done in recent history.

The point is - he doesn't have to. I was a "Bernie or Bust" gal too, but this is ridiculous. He is not the only person who is knowledgeable about things.

This couldn't be more "mansplaining" if he hitched up his trousers and started pointing his finger.

If he is asked to rebut, then he should be able to rebut. Not otherwise.
 
Yes, but he had no business going after Abrams. It was like, "Well, this little black girl is gonna **** it up, so let me make sure I go in behind her and bat cleanup."

You seem to forget that although he often caucuses with the Democratic Party he is not a Democrat himself and has the right to offer a rebuttal from the Independent side of the aisle.
 
The point is - he doesn't have to. I was a "Bernie or Bust" gal too, but this is ridiculous. He is not the only person who is knowledgeable about things.

This couldn't be more "mansplaining" if he hitched up his trousers and started pointing his finger.

If he is asked to rebut, then he should be able to rebut. Not otherwise.

Why should it be any different this year than the prior years? Why should he now at this time specifically hold his tongue? He's also not a Democrat in any official capacity.

Reading stuff like 'mansplaining' and racism into this is beyond ridiculous.

That Bernie has things to say about the SOTU doesn't diminish Abrams response, or imply he doesn't feel her response was adequate, unless of course you would assert that he has always felt the Dem official response inadequate since 2016, in which case there is no specific 'mansplaining' or racist element to his own reaction.
 
Yes, but he had no business going after Abrams. It was like, "Well, this little black girl is gonna **** it up, so let me make sure I go in behind her and bat cleanup."

What he did had nothing to do with Abrams. He would have done it no matter who was giving the Democratic rebuttal.
 
We are not going to have a "President Sanders"... I think he would be better off if he thinks he is so good for the country on his concern, then demonstrate in the Senate.... he's been there long enough to know the systems, then work that system and push the agenda items.
Yes, Trump is horrible, and Bernie would have been a better choice than Trump, but Aside from that, I just don't see a Bernie Sanders as President. he seems likely to me a "whiny old man" that wants a glory more than to figure out how best to push his claimed concerns... of Medicare for All, and Education and push for a living wage.

He has nothing when it comes to the dire need to promote and support the massive creation of "small business" in every sector of the nation. There will never be enough big companies to come back and populate themselves in All 50 states. The one way to build up states, is to build up the creation of small business development. People have ideas, people are creative and people can innovate... but no one is looking at that same principle is what helped American become a Industrial power house during the 1950 and 1960's. But today, that principle has to be used, far and beyond the Jim Crow society of the 1950's and 1960's that did no make any means or avenues to support small business growth on a "Full Spectrum of Diversity". Its time to invest in the people in every sector of society and every part of this nation.... and do so with making funding available with full respect and accessibility to "all" people....without any indifference based on race or ethnicity, or zip code. We have people in every segment of society, who are creative, many are skilled and many can develop skills.

What does he have for the 24-40 yrs olds who could not afford university or vocational or tech schools, what does he have for 50-55 yrs olds who worked jobs, that no longer exist and they spent their lives doing jobs with a skill set that is no longer applicable in society and business today... What is the plan to help them again to become and be contributors? Some learned things that can help new start up business, and some have work dedication that can be an asset to developing and growing business.

He awakened young people to politic's and that a big plus for him, but not to lead them with pipe dreams as if he can "flip America on a pin head"... because that is not how Nations function. Life and the growth of Nations is a step process, and rebuilding economic "all across America" is a step process.

People should drive around and look at all the closed up building in the countless cities and towns across this nation. Its a travesty that no one is thinking of how to populate those business buildings and facilities with "new start up business". Yet, people supported a Trillion dollar give away to the wealthy so they could buy back stock to make their stock holder values worth more.

No one can take the money from the wealthy, the only thing that can be done is make them pay the level of taxes they should pay... If that is done, they will invest in way to support business growth and development.... but to try and dupe the people as if someone is going to take the money from the wealth, is not realistic.
If there's a surge in small business development and growth, no one will have to go looking for the wealthy, they will come looking for the small business creators and developers....

Why Sanders does not know this... is itself an absurdity that he should know.... he's been around this system long enough to have come to know that how the system works.
 
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We are not going to have a "President Sanders"... I think he would be better off if he thinks he is so good for the country on his concern, then demonstrate in the Senate.... he's been there long enough to know the systems, then work that system and push the agenda items.
Yes, Trump is horrible, and Bernie would have been a better choice than Trump, but Aside from that, I just don't see a Bernie Sanders as President. he seems likely to me a "whiny old man" that wants a glory more than to figure out how best to push his claimed concerns... of Medicare for All, and Education and push for a living wage.

He has nothing when it comes to the dire need to promote and support the massive creation of "small business" in every sector of the nation. There will never be enough big companies to come back and populate themselves in All 50 states. The one way to build up states, is to build up the creation of small business development. People have ideas, people are creative and people can innovate... but no one is looking at that same principle is what helped American become a Industrial power house during the 1950 and 1960's. But today, that principle has to be used, far and beyond the Jim Crow society of the 1950's and 1960's that did no make any means or avenues to support small business growth on a "Full Spectrum of Diversity".

He awakened young people to politic's and that a big plus for him, but not to lead them with piple dreams as if he can "flip America on a pin head"... because that is not how Nations function. Life and the growth of Nations is a step process, and rebuilding economic "all across America" is a step process.

People should drive around and look at all the closed up building in the countless cities and towns across this nation. Its a travesty that no one is thinking of how to populate those business buildings and facilities with "new start up business". Yet, people supported a Trillion dollar give away to the wealthy so they could buy back stock to make their stock holder values worth more.

No one can take the money from the wealthy, the only thing that can be done is make them pay the level of taxes they should pay... If that is done, they will invest in way to support business growth and development.... but to try and dupe the people as if someone is going to take the money from the wealth, is not realistic.
If there's a surge in small business development and growth, no one will have to go looking for the wealthy, they will come looking for the small business creators and developers....

Why Sanders does not know this... is itself an absurdity that he should know.... he's been around this system long enough to have come to know that how the system works.

Yes, herein the real motive comes to light: you just want to slam the man, and figured, for some reason, that this triviality was a good way to do it.

Also the people didn't support trillion dollar giveaway/tax cuts; it was and remains deeply unpopular. As to making the wealthy pay the level of taxes they should pay... well that's something Bernie has been on top of since day one.

Moreover, I don't think anyone has ever argued his policy ideas can be achieved in an instant; MFA and universal college have rollouts spanning years.

Offloading the cost of health coverage from small business seems like a pretty good way to help them along.

Lastly to say that he is concerned with 'glory' above all else despite pushing his ideas longer and more consistently than anyone has in Washington is even more ludicrous than this naked smear attempt against him.
 
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It's absurd with his incessant acts of "vote splitting" conduct, in how he wants to ignore and usurp the fact the Democrats had already selected someone to give the Rebuttal.... !!!!!

It's time for Sanders to go side down and deal with his State Concerns.... He has not even come close to considering to be aware of his vote splitting acts and the damages he did in 2016. Not knowing when to sit down even then, when he hitched a ride on the Democratic Ticket and then Disrespected the Democratic Party's own Nominee when it was clear the delegates were not for him, and then bringing his sour face to the Democratic Convention after not knowing or caring to bring his voters to Support the Democratic Ticket and its Nominee.

Now, here he which his "Vote Splitting Presence", again by the same acts of "vote splitting" in being as if nothing more than a adjunct operative of Trump promotion, and he's not even concerned to be aware of doing and being so. "His continual opposition to Democratic Platform Agenda Elements, promotes nothing more than Vote Splitting, while he selectively attacks Democratic positions.
He is not of the demeanor to be President, with that whiny like delivery and the ideals that push too far to the left, as if he thinks he can turn and Ocean Liner of a Nation on a pin head. he has nothing more than "two items", one is "to back and support the principle of Medicare for All", "Access to higher Education with lower cost, to no cost for Community Colleges". He can do that from a Senatorial Seat... if he thinks he so capable of being effective, then be so... in the Senate and build a Bi Partisan Coalition to support it.

Hillary deserved no respect. She, the DNC, and the superdelegate system had the primaries rigged so that only she could win.
 
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t's time for Sanders to go side down and deal with his State Concerns.... He has not even come close to considering to be aware of his vote splitting acts and the damages he did in 2016.

Actually, I think you have it backwards. When she wasn't hobnobbing with and soliciting donations from her wealthy pals or assuming control of the DNC to further her campaign at Bernie's expense, Hillary was splitting the vote. Bernie could have beaten Trump. :2wave:

Inside Hillary Clinton’s Secret Takeover of the DNC--Politico Magazine
 
Actually, I think you have it backwards. When she wasn't hobnobbing with and soliciting donations from her wealthy pals or assuming control of the DNC to further her campaign at Bernie's expense, Hillary was splitting the vote. Bernie could have beaten Trump. :2wave:

Inside Hillary Clinton’s Secret Takeover of the DNC--Politico Magazine

Hillary didn’t assume control of the DNC. She always had the support of everyday Democrats. It’s laughable that there people out there who still think Sanders could have won the general. You win nothing by appealing only to the hysterical progressive fringes. You should have learned that lesson when he lost the primary by 3.7 million votes.
 
Why would you call the primaries rigged, when the delegates made their choice known... very early as "Democrats" for the Democratic Nominee? If any Independent ran on the Republican Ticket, one can be sure the Republicans would vote for the Republican Nominee, not for a Independent running on the Republican Ticket.
Yes, its good that many Independent identify with Democratic Platform Ideals, but they are Independents because they also identify with some Ideals of the Republican party.

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did not know the "embed' would not work.

here's the link:

Party identification, 1992-2017

I personally think if "the history of racial elements" were not part of the influences in Republican that the parties could come together far more than they do. I don't equate Independents of the level and types of race elements that are seen and demonstrated in the Republican system. I don't know if Independents truly grasp the levels and functions of racism, when they say, "minorities would have the same opportunity without Affirmative actions having been put in place (When we look at reality still in this day and time and the rise of racism, its hard to make such a claim, considering that we still have much work as a nation to do when it comes to racial understanding and racial acceptance of the full spectrum of Diversity in the American population).

Although Independents wants to change and address Affirmative Actions, they do however acknowledge.

"we are conscious of the fact that the history of slavery and racial discrimination has left a deep scar on America. We think the fairest way to deal with that history, and the thousands of other uniquely personal events that may handicap individuals of any race who are starting out in life, is through government support for effective elementary and secondary education and financial support for low income students seeking post secondary education."

As to Republicans, the concept of "Fiscal Conservative" is itself a Ruse!!! Because Republicans explode the debt and increase the deficit at an alarming rate, by the fact... they don't care about debt... They care that money "only" goes to their agenda, and not to anything that benefits the whole of America's Diversity of its Masses. If they could "target what ethnic group" is omitted from benefits, services and programs, they'd do it in a heartbeat.
I think Bernie would have made a good VP under a Democratic President, tasked with his core program items, of Education, Medical and Pay for Employees. I think they could have changed the profile function of what is a V.P. and give more voice to the role of the V.P.
I think the same today, of someone like Elizabeth Warren as President and Bernie as V.P. which would be a win for the people, if it could come to be... Because she will address Wall Street and Banking and its dominating influence in the lives of American people along with How business operates in America to change the dynamics to benefit American People, while Bernie as V.P. could have a high profile to address Education, Medical Coverage and Employees Pay... and they would both stand unified in addressing and promoting the premise of Putting the People First.

At this stage of the arena, I think they make the best combination to lead the Country to its next step. BECAUSE.. if we as a nation, don't get the Wall Street Crowd and Banking under control and How business function for the people, while at the same time "Making way for American people to become "educated", and having medical care and living wage pay... to prepare us for the future that is coming fast..... These are Core Thing and Necessary Things... if America is to be the kind of leader it wants to be as a nation. It's always about building for the future, and protections for and of the people. I think between them they would have a 'Cabinet" that embrace the values that best benefit the Masses of the America people, and curb the advances of the Plutocratic Take Over of the Nation by the Wealthy.
Both have been high among the most vocal advocates for these things over the past 2 yrs, and both have no issue calling out Republican and Trump and the wealthy on the acts they engage that damages the mass of American people.
 
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Progs will fall in line.
 
I'd ask the question: In some sectors of the country, how much diversity is seen in "rural areas of the nation and some areas of suburbia" in business, employment, executive levels of business, lending practices and how the systems still function in counties and their allocations of funding within the public school sector. How is diversity working in the access to funding for education, vocation and technical training, and how is diversity functioning when it comes to business acceptance of "all" people as being customers, or employees. When we still have places discriminating against people based on a variety of things. i.e. not selling to gay people, not having blacks involved in the tech industry, not supporting or engaging blacks in the robust venture capitalist programs that are part of tech funding, and even in a great many small service and contractor related businesses that still have a lot of segregation within those ranks. Since the Rise of Trump and the Stand of Republican, we've not seen the overt racism at this level since the 1960's. In only 55 yrs, we can't make the claim that the 100's of years of race and segregation is not still active in America on many levels. So... if the order of Affirmative Actions were removed, there'd be nothing to stop a resurgence of segregationist policy and acts in a great many parts of the country, institutions, business and other areas that make up our social system. We've not arrived to be a Civic Utopia that respect and embraces full circle diversity. In part, because many are still adverse to having the conversation(s).
 
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It's absurd with his incessant acts of "vote splitting" conduct, in how he wants to ignore and usurp the fact the Democrats had already selected someone to give the Rebuttal.... !!!!!

It's time for Sanders to go side down and deal with his State Concerns.... He has not even come close to considering to be aware of his vote splitting acts and the damages he did in 2016. Not knowing when to sit down even then, when he hitched a ride on the Democratic Ticket and then Disrespected the Democratic Party's own Nominee when it was clear the delegates were not for him, and then bringing his sour face to the Democratic Convention after not knowing or caring to bring his voters to Support the Democratic Ticket and its Nominee.

Now, here he which his "Vote Splitting Presence", again by the same acts of "vote splitting" in being as if nothing more than a adjunct operative of Trump promotion, and he's not even concerned to be aware of doing and being so. "His continual opposition to Democratic Platform Agenda Elements, promotes nothing more than Vote Splitting, while he selectively attacks Democratic positions.
He is not of the demeanor to be President, with that whiny like delivery and the ideals that push too far to the left, as if he thinks he can turn and Ocean Liner of a Nation on a pin head. he has nothing more than "two items", one is "to back and support the principle of Medicare for All", "Access to higher Education with lower cost, to no cost for Community Colleges". He can do that from a Senatorial Seat... if he thinks he so capable of being effective, then be so... in the Senate and build a Bi Partisan Coalition to support it.

ROTFLOL... VOTE SPLITTING?

I think you mean Democrat Party corruption exposing.

He should have been the nominee... were it not for the corruption in the Democrat Party.
 
When the D's picked a nobody to give their talking points they should have expected this.

When the picked the Biggest Loser and Faux Victim.

I’m happy they did. Her bitterness was a wonderful contrast.
 
I think your perception is off target... Hillary did not have a mission against the Moderate Republicans, her issue was with the make up of embracing as a party, the far right wingers, the racist groups, and the white evangelicals who still covertly promote and support segregationist ideals and the wealthy right wingers who support corporate and industry far and above concerns for the people. Not one Conservative does not know these elements are among them, but that does not mean the "moderate republican like it", but the moderate republicans don't have voice enough to void out and remove these elements from the Party Make up.
 
Hillary didn’t assume control of the DNC.

Did you read the Politico article I linked? According to former DNC Interim Chair Donna Brazile, thanks to Barack Obama, the DNC was insolvent. Clinton's campaign and the DNC signed an agreement that brought it back to basic solvency in exchange for her control:

The agreement—signed by Amy Dacey, the former CEO of the DNC, and Robby Mook with a copy to Marc Elias—specified that in exchange for raising money and investing in the DNC, Hillary would control the party’s finances, strategy, and all the money raised. Her campaign had the right of refusal of who would be the party communications director, and it would make final decisions on all the other staff. The DNC also was required to consult with the campaign about all other staffing, budgeting, data, analytics, and mailings.

Former DNC Interim Chair Wants You All to Know the DNC Was as Corrupt as You Were Thinking--GQ

She always had the support of everyday Democrats. It’s laughable that there people out there who still think Sanders could have won the general. You win nothing by appealing only to the hysterical progressive fringes. You should have learned that lesson when he lost the primary by 3.7 million votes.

Right. And Donald Trump always had the support of everyday Republicans and wasn't appealing only to the hysterical right fringes. That's why he's president. ;)
 
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