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Bernie Sanders Endorses Hillary

Perhaps you should read that report. His speech about the rich and wall street paying the taxes are obvious lies.

I did read the report a while back and don't remember that being mentioned. Where is that in the report? Got a page number, or a quote?

And how big is the shortfall since you claim the $15 trillion wouldn't be enough to pay for his proposals?
 
I did read the report a while back and don't remember that being mentioned. Where is that in the report? Got a page number, or a quote?

And how big is the shortfall since you claim the $15 trillion wouldn't be enough to pay for his proposals?

Its actually 15 trillion over the first decade, and then another 25 the next decade. The report states on the first page that it would have devastating effects on the economy.
 
I'm not sure that I agree or disagree, but I'll quote from (but you should read the whole thing) Bernie's final campaign email, and let his real sentiments stand for themselves, wrong or right:

It is true that in terms of winning the Democratic nomination, we did come up short. But this election was never about me or any candidate. It was about the powerful coming together of millions of people to take their country back from the billionaire class. That was the strength of our campaign and it will be the strength of our movement going forward in the months and years ahead.

In the coming weeks, I will be announcing the creation of successor organizations to carry on the struggle that we have been a part of these past 15 months. I hope you will continue to be involved in fighting to transform America. Our goal will be to advance the progressive agenda that we believe in and to elect like-minded candidates at the federal, state and local levels who are committed to accomplishing our goals.

In terms of the presidential election this November, there is no doubt that the election of Donald Trump as president would be a devastating blow to all that we are fighting for. His openly bigoted and pro-billionaire campaign could precipitate the same decades-long rightward shift in American politics that happened after the election of Ronald Reagan in 1980. That rightward shift after Reagan’s election infected not just politics as a whole but led to the ascendancy of the corporatist wing of the Democratic Party – an era from which we are still recovering.

I cannot in good conscience let that happen.

To have all of the work we have done in elevating our progressive ideals be dashed away by a complete Republican takeover of Washington – a takeover headed by a candidate that demonizes Latinos, Muslims, women, African Americans, veterans, and others – would be unthinkable.

Today, I endorsed Hillary Clinton to be our next president. I know that some of you will be disappointed with that decision. But I believe that, at this moment, our country, our values, and our common vision for a transformed America, are best served by the defeat of Donald Trump and the election of Hillary Clinton.

You should know that in the weeks since the last primary, both campaigns have worked together in good faith to bridge some of the policy issues that divided us during the election. Did we come to agreement on everything? Of course not. But we made important steps forward. [...] The truth is our movement is responsible for the most progressive Democratic platform in the history of our country. All of that is the direct result of the work that our members of the platform committee did in the meetings and that you have been doing over the last 15 months.

But none of these initiatives will happen if we do not elect a Democratic president in November. None! In fact, we will go backward. We must elect the Democratic nominee in November and progressive Democrats up and down the ballot so that we ensure that these policy commitments can advance.

It is extremely important that we keep our movement together, that we hold public officials accountable and that we elect progressive candidates to office at the federal, state, and local level who will stand with us.​

On a positive note, if Hillary is indicted Bernie will be the heir apparent. As Bernie has reached out to Hillary to unify the party it would certainly make Bernie's ascension as Hillary's replacement much more palatable to Hillary supporters.

Will Hillary be indicted? I don't know about probable, but it is possible.
 
Its actually 15 trillion over the first decade, and then another 25 the next decade. The report states on the first page that it would have devastating effects on the economy.

So, not a "lie." And "devastating" is your characterization, not the report authors' description.

Also, saying how much it would raise doesn't actually tell us anything about the shortfall.
 
Sad day for the democrats. Bernie got bullied.

Bernie got a lot of what he wanted. He pulled Hillary to the left on college aid and health care, and opened a space in Democratic politics for these positions. Since he lost the election, he and his supporters can hardly expect more than that. Now he'll support Secretary Clinton with enthusiasm because he's a statesman, not just a small-minded politician.
 
On a positive note, if Hillary is indicted...

For what? Missing a little (c) buried in one email out of 30,000? Please. Only the most nut-job Republicans are still holding out this last, pathetic, forlorn hope that the country will be "saved" from the policies backed by mainstream America.

Like a woman's right to choose. Like taking global warming seriously. Like not blowing a huge hole in the deficit with reckless, unnecessary, tax cuts for the already rich. Like not scapegoating minorities. Like protecting middle class programs like Social Security and Medicare.
 
Sort of proves what many thought all along. He is just another stooge of the Democratic party. If he had any principles he would never have done this.

Possible. Also possible he's a pragmatic politician instead of an ideologue content to tilt at windmills.
 
For what? Missing a little (c) buried in one email out of 30,000? Please. Only the most nut-job Republicans are still holding out this last, pathetic, forlorn hope that the country will be "saved" from the policies backed by mainstream America.

Like a woman's right to choose. Like taking global warming seriously. Like not blowing a huge hole in the deficit with reckless, unnecessary, tax cuts for the already rich. Like not scapegoating minorities. Like protecting middle class programs like Social Security and Medicare.

The Clinton Foundation is likely the fit that will hit the shan and put the Clinton dynasty to rest.
 
On a positive note, if Hillary is indicted Bernie will be the heir apparent. As Bernie has reached out to Hillary to unify the party it would certainly make Bernie's ascension as Hillary's replacement much more palatable to Hillary supporters.

Will Hillary be indicted? I don't know about probable, but it is possible.

Who is going to indict her? Certainly not the Attorney General. And on the charges that the FBI said were not sufficient for a prosecution? That is quite a long shot.
 
I like how I can't find one comment in support of Hillary...

In 2008 Hillary's supporters were even more numerous and vocal about their refusing to vote for Obama but we know how that worked out. If you gave a damn about Sanders or anything he stands for you would be right along side him instead of running away. It's not about you.
 
In 2008 Hillary's supporters were even more numerous and vocal about their refusing to vote for Obama but we know how that worked out. If you gave a damn about Sanders or anything he stands for you would be right along side him instead of running away. It's not about you.

What are you raving on about?
 
Who is going to indict her? Certainly not the Attorney General. And on the charges that the FBI said were not sufficient for a prosecution? That is quite a long shot.

Note that I did not say an indictment is probable. I said an indictment is possible. The FBI to my knowledge has refused to say whether it is investigating the Clinton Foundation and/or Hillary's state department favors for Clinton Foundation "donations".
 
Then come on over and vote for Gary Johnson. :)

I will never understand why people think Johnson can appeal to Bernie supporters; the former is an emphatic advocate of unlimited money in politics while, in stark contrast, opposing this sort of heinous legalized corruption was the inarguable core of Bernie's movement.

The obvious third party pick for a Bernie supporter is very clearly Jill Stein.


As for Bernie's endorsement, it was expected since he won policy and platform concessions from Hillary.

I have always said since the beginning, that my support of Clinton would be conditional on such concessions, and in the end, they happened. Though I have serious misgivings about her ultimately delivering on them, and about her as president in general (I do think she deserved to be indicted for gross negligence at a minimum, don't trust her at all with foreign policy, classified information, IP, health, pharmaceutical or financial regulation, and believe she's a self-serving psychopath), assuming a victory, she will be held accountable to such deceit in four years (and per down ticket Democrats perhaps even earlier than that), so I am hoping this is enough to keep her honest.
 
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For what? Missing a little (c) buried in one email out of 30,000? Please. Only the most nut-job Republicans are still holding out this last, pathetic, forlorn hope that the country will be "saved" from the policies backed by mainstream America.

Like a woman's right to choose. Like taking global warming seriously. Like not blowing a huge hole in the deficit with reckless, unnecessary, tax cuts for the already rich. Like not scapegoating minorities. Like protecting middle class programs like Social Security and Medicare.

It was over 2,000 emails that contained secured information, hundreds that were marked and classified at the time, and many that were beyond top secret.

That thing you are doing is a tell that you know what she did was wrong and you need to lie about the actual facts in order to seem consistent.
 
I'm not sure that I agree or disagree, but I'll quote from (but you should read the whole thing) Bernie's final campaign email, and let his real sentiments stand for themselves, wrong or right:



"It is extremely important that we keep our movement together, that we hold public officials accountable and that we elect progressive candidates to office at the federal, state, and local level who will stand with us."[/INDENT]

He says while he endorses someone who obstructed justice and was guilty of being extremely careless with classified material. Is he holding her accountable? No, hes trying to get her MORE power.
 

I said this in the thread that first reported it was likely to happen:

Alternate headline: Bernie Sanders to show he's just a typical politician under a hobo-outsider facade next week.

Let me now amend that

Alternate headline: Bernie Sanders shows he's a typical politician under a hobo-outsider facade.
 
He says while he endorses someone who obstructed justice and was guilty of being extremely careless with classified material. Is he holding her accountable? No, hes trying to get her MORE power.

We must hold our public officials accountable! By reacting to their continued lying, gross negligence, and utter incompetence in their duties by giving them a promotion to President of the United States.

Feel that Bern of political expediency and typical politics. You're so special and unique and principled Bernie, truly unlike anything we've ever seen before :roll: Or so all the Bernie sycophants will likely continue to believe
 
We must hold our public officials accountable! By reacting to their continued lying, gross negligence, and utter incompetence in their duties by giving them a promotion to President of the United States.

Feel that Bern of political expediency and typical politics. You're so special and unique and principled Bernie, truly unlike anything we've ever seen before :roll: Or so all the Bernie sycophants will likely continue to believe

I voted for him but am not sure if I'm considered a sycophant or not. But he said from the beginning he'd support the democratic party nominee and now has done it. And since he's held elected office for decades, caucused with the democrats, and has often voted for legislation he didn't prefer but was the best option available, I am not surprised to find out he's a pragmatic politician who frequently sacrifices his purity principles. If he wasn't, he'd have run as a democratic socialist and influenced nothing anywhere, instead of under the corrupt etc. banner of the DNC headed by she-devil #2 DWS (Clinton is #1) which gave him a platform 1,000 times bigger than he'd get as the ideologue some expect him to be.
 
I voted for him but am not sure if I'm considered a sycophant or not. But he said from the beginning he'd support the democratic party nominee and now has done it. And since he's held elected office for decades, caucused with the democrats, and has often voted for legislation he didn't prefer but was the best option available, I am not surprised to find out he's a pragmatic politician who frequently sacrifices his purity principles. If he wasn't, he'd have run as a democratic socialist and influenced nothing anywhere, instead of under the corrupt etc. banner of the DNC headed by she-devil #2 DWS (Clinton is #1) which gave him a platform 1,000 times bigger than he'd get as the ideologue some expect him to be.

And how well has that worked out for us? Didnt Bernie gain support because he said we shouldnt keep doing the same thing? And here he is doing the same thing. At least Republicans are fleeing the GOP. Maybe Dems will wake up some day and start acting on principle rather than just caring about expediency.
 
And how well has that worked out for us? Didnt Bernie gain support because he said we shouldnt keep doing the same thing? And here he is doing the same thing. At least Republicans are fleeing the GOP. Maybe Dems will wake up some day and start acting on principle rather than just caring about expediency.

What I'm not seeing is the alternative. Jill Stein will not be president. The Green Party is for purposes of winning a national election a joke. As of today they are on the ballot in 20 states, have no money, and no national infrastructure needed to win the required number of states. Last time they got 0.3% of the total vote.

When someone can explain to me how him taking off the hat for the democratic party and then putting on a hat for the Green Party gives him an actual chance to win an election and be President, then I'll accept that he shouldn't endorse Hillary and should continue fighting for his purity principles, don't give in to the man, fight corporate power, stand up for the PEOPLE!! etc. Otherwise, from his point of view and mine, there are two options - Hillary OR Trump. There is no third option. And if anyone cares at all about Bernie's priorities, it's just obvious that Hillary as POTUS and a democratic Senate and House gives the country the ONLY chance to achieve any of them. Trump and a GOP House and Senate means NONE are possible.
 
I voted for him but am not sure if I'm considered a sycophant or not.

Based on your comments, I'd probably say no. As you said, you recognize him as a pragmatic politician who routinely sacrifices his principles.

The ones who I am speaking of are those who think he's some everyman champion who is extremely respectable and "honest" and principled unlike those "typical" politicians out there and who will always stand up for what he believes in.

He's a politician, not much different than any other outside of some of his views. His principles are as easily sacrificed and manipulated to serve his personal political purposes as any other politician. His words have as much meaning and legitimacy and truth to them as any other politician...ie, they mean as much as they need to mean at any given point in order to further his politica agenda and beyond that are empty and meaningless.
 
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