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Bernie Sanders Endorses Hillary

Bernie ain't no dummy. However, it does concern me that he has decided to support Clinton. No doubt, and as usual, there is much we do not know.

I do believe Bernie is committed to the issues he championed during his campaign. Beyond that I have no idea why he has taken the position he has taken at the time he decided to do it.

When I think about something such as appointing SC justices who will pledge to overturn Citizens United or to breakup banks and insurance companies that are too big too fail, I cannot see that happening under Clinton. Wall Street has way, way, way too much money invested in the Clintons for Hillary to do the right thing for the 99%. Bernie knows this probably better than we do. What is Bernie supporting with Hillary? Much of what he has stood for will never see the light of day.

What I believe will happen is we will see new lipstick on the same pigs we face now. Clinton will support big trade agreements, not American workers or small businesses; Hillary will play a shell game with Americans concerning Big Pharma; Clinton will shuck and jive concerning student loans regardless of what she says; Hillary will do next to nothing to really make a difference in equality for all Americans (more show than go); she will certainly continue to support the neocon/military industrial complex agenda and US imperialism.

In the end Hillary will be a status quo president, which IMHO is exactly what the nation does not need. Hillary will not lead. She will continue to follow the path of sameness that Obama has taken. I predict big changes will most certainly come - BUT - they will not be initiated by Hillary Clinton. She will react, and just as with her campaign, she will play it as politically safe as she can. America be damned.

So it goes.
 
I called it right weeks ago when people were saying that Bernie was either a sore loser, or that he was in this at all costs. I merely stated that Bernie's goal was to use the delegate support he got to influence the Democratic party platform. And guess what? He did just that. After getting Hillary's side to negotiate the platform, and after getting most of what he wanted added to the platform, he is now throwing his support behind her.

And once elected Hillary will toss most of the agreements over the side. Hillary's idea of sex is ****ing over everybody else. Bernie can plan on it.
 
And once elected Hillary will toss most of the agreements over the side. Hillary's idea of sex is ****ing over everybody else. Bernie can plan on it.

"I did not have sex with that man, Bernie Sanders".

~Hillary Clinton

:mrgreen:
 
Sanders sold out his entire life's message so he wouldn't look bad. Pathetic old, senile man.
 
Sanders sold out his entire life's message so he wouldn't look bad. Pathetic old, senile man.

Your prejudice regarding ageism is duly noted.

How is it that Bernie is senile? Are Hillary and Trump senile as well? Or is it just Bernie, based on the criteria you will hopefully share with us.
 
Your prejudice regarding ageism is duly noted.

How is it that Bernie is senile? Are Hillary and Trump senile as well? Or is it just Bernie, based on the criteria you will hopefully share with us.

Criteria? Is that what we are calling hate these days? :mrgreen:
 
Sanders sold out his entire life's message so he wouldn't look bad. Pathetic old, senile man.

The man has caucused with democrats forever. If he "sold out" it was then, instead of bravely standing alone with his ideological purity intact but powerless in Congress, instead of making common cause when possible with a party he refused to join but agreeing to caucus so he could seize some of the levers of power available only to members of the party in the majority.

And the second time he sold out, if not many years ago, is when he ran under the banner of the evil, corrupt, corporatist etc. democratic party, again instead of sticking to his purity principles and running a feckless, hopeless campaign as a democratic socialist. So the idea that he's just now sold out by endorsing the nominee of the party he joined is sort of ridiculous, IMO.
 
Criteria? Is that what we are calling hate these days? :mrgreen:

LOL! Yes, it's the politically correct term for age appreciation assessment. It's not ageism or hatred if you "have friends who are old."
 
If anything I'm being unfair to the KKK and Nazis.

Over the last 100 years Socialism has killed more people than any Religions has in all human history (even Islam). Marxist Socialist calling themselves Democratic Socialist or Social Democracy is like Liberals insisting they are Progressives, Its the same thing! This constant re-branding is just another way for the Left to lie about what it is.
Actually, every one of the ideologies you named is different from the others - although they may share some similar traits.
It's not a good idea IMO to consider them all the same though, because that leads one to make general conclusions about multiple unrelated things - if you follow through on that analysis process, you end up with bad decisions made on poor understanding of situations.
 
Μολὼν λαβέ;1066070586 said:
Apparently Bernie isn't smart enough to see that, otherwise one would think he wouldn't endorse her.
Personally, I think he sees it and has decided to endorse her anyway - because he's that concerned about the idea of Trump being president.

I mean, Clinton may be effectively a paid minion of corporations, but Trump is one of the leaders of said corporations, and an example in many ways of the worst traits among such leaders.


I'm still unsure about voting for Clinton though...
 
Your prejudice regarding ageism is duly noted.

How is it that Bernie is senile? Are Hillary and Trump senile as well? Or is it just Bernie, based on the criteria you will hopefully share with us.

He's senile because he actually thinks the things that he wanted to pass will simply pay for themselves. He also is senile because he thinks Clinton will actually listen to anything he said.
 
The man has caucused with democrats forever. If he "sold out" it was then, instead of bravely standing alone with his ideological purity intact but powerless in Congress, instead of making common cause when possible with a party he refused to join but agreeing to caucus so he could seize some of the levers of power available only to members of the party in the majority.

And the second time he sold out, if not many years ago, is when he ran under the banner of the evil, corrupt, corporatist etc. democratic party, again instead of sticking to his purity principles and running a feckless, hopeless campaign as a democratic socialist. So the idea that he's just now sold out by endorsing the nominee of the party he joined is sort of ridiculous, IMO.

This is clearly the most obvious example that what he believes doesn't matter to him compared to his public image.
 
LOL! Yes, it's the politically correct term for age appreciation assessment. It's not ageism or hatred if you "have friends who are old."

Those the same guys who say "I know a black guy"? LOL.
 
Personally, I think he sees it and has decided to endorse her anyway - because he's that concerned about the idea of Trump being president.

I mean, Clinton may be effectively a paid minion of corporations, but Trump is one of the leaders of said corporations, and an example in many ways of the worst traits among such leaders.


I'm still unsure about voting for Clinton though...

Then come on over and vote for Gary Johnson. :)
 
He's senile because he actually thinks the things that he wanted to pass will simply pay for themselves. He also is senile because he thinks Clinton will actually listen to anything he said.

So that is the definition of senility? That's amazing. According to your definition one hell of a lot of people including millions of millennials are senile.
 
So that is the definition of senility? That's amazing. According to your definition one hell of a lot of people including millions of millennials are senile.

Now wait, just a freakin' minute. I do NOT agree with............... Um, what did you say?
 
He's senile because he actually thinks the things that he wanted to pass will simply pay for themselves. He also is senile because he thinks Clinton will actually listen to anything he said.

Actually, he proposed the biggest middle class tax hike since WWII to pay for them.

Don't you know anything?
 
Actually, he proposed the biggest middle class tax hike since WWII to pay for them.

Don't you know anything?

Which wouldn't have come close to raising enough money. I assure you that I know more than you do.
 
Bernie supporters were right, Bernie wouldn't be bought by billionaires. It only took a millionaire.
 
My vote won't go to Hillary no matter what Bernie says.

I'm not sure that I agree or disagree, but I'll quote from (but you should read the whole thing) Bernie's final campaign email, and let his real sentiments stand for themselves, wrong or right:

It is true that in terms of winning the Democratic nomination, we did come up short. But this election was never about me or any candidate. It was about the powerful coming together of millions of people to take their country back from the billionaire class. That was the strength of our campaign and it will be the strength of our movement going forward in the months and years ahead.

In the coming weeks, I will be announcing the creation of successor organizations to carry on the struggle that we have been a part of these past 15 months. I hope you will continue to be involved in fighting to transform America. Our goal will be to advance the progressive agenda that we believe in and to elect like-minded candidates at the federal, state and local levels who are committed to accomplishing our goals.

In terms of the presidential election this November, there is no doubt that the election of Donald Trump as president would be a devastating blow to all that we are fighting for. His openly bigoted and pro-billionaire campaign could precipitate the same decades-long rightward shift in American politics that happened after the election of Ronald Reagan in 1980. That rightward shift after Reagan’s election infected not just politics as a whole but led to the ascendancy of the corporatist wing of the Democratic Party – an era from which we are still recovering.

I cannot in good conscience let that happen.

To have all of the work we have done in elevating our progressive ideals be dashed away by a complete Republican takeover of Washington – a takeover headed by a candidate that demonizes Latinos, Muslims, women, African Americans, veterans, and others – would be unthinkable.

Today, I endorsed Hillary Clinton to be our next president. I know that some of you will be disappointed with that decision. But I believe that, at this moment, our country, our values, and our common vision for a transformed America, are best served by the defeat of Donald Trump and the election of Hillary Clinton.

You should know that in the weeks since the last primary, both campaigns have worked together in good faith to bridge some of the policy issues that divided us during the election. Did we come to agreement on everything? Of course not. But we made important steps forward. [...] The truth is our movement is responsible for the most progressive Democratic platform in the history of our country. All of that is the direct result of the work that our members of the platform committee did in the meetings and that you have been doing over the last 15 months.

But none of these initiatives will happen if we do not elect a Democratic president in November. None! In fact, we will go backward. We must elect the Democratic nominee in November and progressive Democrats up and down the ballot so that we ensure that these policy commitments can advance.

It is extremely important that we keep our movement together, that we hold public officials accountable and that we elect progressive candidates to office at the federal, state, and local level who will stand with us.​
 
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