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Bernie Sanders Agrees to Debate Donald Trump

reinoe said:
If they're smart both of them will focus their attacks on Hillary...
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Trump will, in an effort to find middle ground, discredit Hillary in the upcoming race and try to convince Bernie supporters disillusioned with the current state of politics to his side. I doubt Bernie will. He has plenty of ammunition without having to resort to attacking Hillary and I don't see what he'd gain from doing it.
 
Nilly said:
Trump will, in an effort to find middle ground, discredit Hillary in the upcoming race and try to convince Bernie supporters disillusioned with the current state of politics to his side. I doubt Bernie will. He has plenty of ammunition without having to resort to attacking Hillary and I don't see what he'd gain from doing it.
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This. Trump is angling to win over Bernie supporters in the general and Bernie is angling to bolster his California numbers and his movement's profile and political capital/leverage. Therefore, Trump will go after Hillary, and Bernie will go after systemic corruption; I expect there to be quite a bit of overlap and common ground in terms of expressed disdain for the establishment.
 
joG said:
That would be interesting. Why would Trump agree, I wonder.
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Assuming it happens, Trumps rationale is probably that it will negatively impact Hillary, who despite a Trump/Sanders debate is still the likely democrat nominee. Bernie can't win defeating Trump...he has to defeat Hillary. That's still not likely to happen.
 
OpportunityCost said:
No one gets the primary benefactor to this, should it happen. Neither one would attack the other and both would attack Clinton. They would elaborate on what policies they want and just give her hell the entire time. Its a win-win for both Sanders and Trump.
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on TPP/fair trade, gun control, Palestinians, and rigged systems (not just government) they would be aligned and have nothing to argue
otherwise, tRump would look like the bully who finally got his ass handed to him
on the military, and engaging it
on tax breaks and profits disproportionately going to the elite
on reasonable immigration policies and what to do about the 12 million present illegals versus 'the wall'
on universal healthcare
on the rich buying elections, politicians, and the government
on infrastructure and putting Americans back to work
on qualifications for a supreme court nominee
on measures needed to address global warming
but tRump knows he would be so Berned - so badly Berned
that we can now watch him weasel out of his willingness to debate Bernie
 
So what's in this for Trump? He already has the California primary sewn up, and he seems to be getting into a groove attacking Clinton. At the same time, he's been sending almost daily encouragement to Sanders' camp with comments about how the Democratic Party primary process is rigged against him. So why would Trump seemingly take his eye off the Clinton ball and simultaneously risk angering even the few Sanders voters who could potentially switch over to him or just stay home in the general election?

The answer is the exposure will be worth it, even for the overexposed Trump. Right now, Trump's #1 best goal is to prove to as many people as possible that he's not crazy. And a relatively cordial, yet lively, debate vs. fellow firebrand Sanders would go a long way toward accomplishing that goal. And each and every moment Trump and Sanders seem to be on the same page about Hillary Clinton's record or choreographed path to the Democratic nomination will be extremely helpful to the Trump camp. Trump's winning image as an outsider can only be enhanced by a sustained national TV appearance with fellow outsider Sanders.
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No way, Trump would do it because the message of the day is that the elite have rigged everything so that they always win and the rest of us always lose. Bernie has to sing with him, because at this late date he cant change his tune. THis is all about using Bernie to beat Hillary or Biden. Remember that two days ago Trump said that he thinks in the end he is going to be beating Bidden not Clinton.
 
MrT said:
I just don't see this debate actually occurring. It reads to me of news media cycle jumping on a Trump quote and Bernie response.

They independently agreed meaning that neither side has actually reached an agreement with the other. And while Trump put the caveat on the debate that he felt he should be compensated (in the form of charity donations), the details are still so vague as to be non-existent. Plus, the initial offer was made on the Jimmy Kimmel show.

And, of course, there is the influence of Hillary Clinton who would not want to just sit on the sidelines.
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Bingo. There will be no debate. Trump wants Sanders to pay him to do it and that is Trumps out here. That won't happen. I don't care if it is for "charity" Sanders should not have to pay anything to debate Trump
 
No, Donald Trump agrees to debate Bernie Sanders. Bernie asked, Trump agreed. There's a difference.
 
A self made billionaire against a guy who didn't get his first job until he was 40. Oh, yeah. This going to be good, alright.
 
tres borrachos said:
Unlike the debates that were set up, managed and run by Debbie Wasserman-Schultz, using every tool she had to make Clinton look good, this debate promises to be outstanding. I'd love to see Bernie tear him down but that will probably just result in more votes for Trump.

An avowed capitalist debating an avowed democratic-socialist. If you're a political junkie this will be better than the Super Bowl.
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Honestly it probably wouldn't be all that exciting. But I like the idea in concept. Trump has actually been supportive of Bernie at least in the extent of party leaders trying to shut him down, as the GOP did to him.
THey are certainly different people. they both have good ideas and they both have bad ideas. maybe it would be more interesting than I estimate ;)
 
Trump's price is $10 million to charity. He suggests pro womens causes. Will anyone pay up? If so who will it be?
 
Nilly said:
Trump will, in an effort to find middle ground, discredit Hillary in the upcoming race and try to convince Bernie supporters disillusioned with the current state of politics to his side. I doubt Bernie will. He has plenty of ammunition without having to resort to attacking Hillary and I don't see what he'd gain from doing it.
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Sounds like a lose-lose for Sanders. If he joins Trump in attacking Clinton, he will show his supporters he is a kindred spirit with Trump in that Clinton must be stopped. If he does not attack Clinton, he will be showing his supporters that he already supports Clinton.

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natsb said:
Sounds like a lose-lose for Sanders. If he joins Trump in attacking Clinton, he will show his supporters he is a kindred spirit with Trump in that Clinton must be stopped. If he does not attack Clinton, he will be showing his supporters that he already supports Clinton.

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When ones 15 minutes of fame are almost up they tend to do stupid stuff to try to keep it going. You watched Rubio do it, correct?
 
Hawkeye10 said:
Trump's price is $10 million to charity. He suggests pro womens causes. Will anyone pay up? If so who will it be?
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Will it actually go to charity this time or dissapear into his campaign chest like last time?
 
Napoleon said:
Will it actually go to charity this time or dissapear into his campaign chest like last time?
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I dont know what happened last time, I have not been following the story, but my understanding is that someone not Sanders and not Trump collects the money.
 
natsb said:
Sounds like a lose-lose for Sanders. If he joins Trump in attacking Clinton, he will show his supporters he is a kindred spirit with Trump in that Clinton must be stopped. If he does not attack Clinton, he will be showing his supporters that he already supports Clinton.

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Here's the way I see it, Sanders is 74 years old, and he's been an independent his whole life. He's not beholden to either party and whichever way this goes, this is his last hurrah. In the case of a Trump victory, he's forgotten, in the case of a Hillary victory, he's forgotten also. He may as well try to make a difference by mobilizing the clearly large amount of people who think his message resonates. The worst thing that can happen for him is for his whole effort to be a one time thing that disperses the moment after the election is over. I figure that he thinks the best way that he can make sure his message endures is by getting himself out there, and by being as much of a nuisance for as long as possible. That's why he's not dropped out of the race, why he's not supporting Hillary, and why he's up for this debate.
 
Are you talking about this?

 
MrT said:
I just don't see this debate actually occurring. It reads to me of news media cycle jumping on a Trump quote and Bernie response.

They independently agreed meaning that neither side has actually reached an agreement with the other. And while Trump put the caveat on the debate that he felt he should be compensated (in the form of charity donations), the details are still so vague as to be non-existent. Plus, the initial offer was made on the Jimmy Kimmel show.

And, of course, there is the influence of Hillary Clinton who would not want to just sit on the sidelines.
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Both Trump and Bernie have an interest in excluding Hillary.
 
natsb said:
Sounds like a lose-lose for Sanders. If he joins Trump in attacking Clinton, he will show his supporters he is a kindred spirit with Trump in that Clinton must be stopped. If he does not attack Clinton, he will be showing his supporters that he already supports Clinton.

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As stated before by myself and others, it's all about building exposure, his poll numbers in California and political capital/leverage; Bernie and his movement stand to gain quite a bit, whether or not he attacks Clinton. Further, let's be honest: agreeing with Trump on a singular issue with regards to the political system and its products being corrupt != to being a kindred spirit with him.
 
This looks like a great opportunity for Bernie. Trump is a Media magnet and has generated huge free media exposure. This debate would be another Media spectacular and an opportunity for Bernie to shine. He doesn't have to drag Trump's dick in the dirt, just make good sense and deliver sound policy statements. Even a tie would be a big win for Bernie and Hillary's absence would make her appear afraid of Trump and Bernie. It's a natural and for that reason, it should happen. Free California big Media, wowser!
 
shagg said:
You have a funny way of talking around what I say without addressing it. Shillary may be hiring....... you should look into it.
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Ive fully addressed what you said. You might want to go back to the real world now.
 
tres borrachos said:
Unlike the debates that were set up, managed and run by Debbie Wasserman-Schultz, using every tool she had to make Clinton look good, this debate promises to be outstanding. I'd love to see Bernie tear him down but that will probably just result in more votes for Trump.

An avowed capitalist debating an avowed democratic-socialist. If you're a political junkie this will be better than the Super Bowl.
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both men have huge flaws in their economic plans, so I don't know how they are both going to come out,
but this will actually be worth watching if kimmel actually does something with it.

it will be interesting if trump actually shows up to it or if this is nothing more than grand standing on his part.
I don't think I have ever see two opposite guys go for it in a debate like this.

if anything it really puts a hammer on Clinton that won't be involved. sanders just 100% left her in the dark.
 
Jack Hays said:
Bernie Sanders camp: We hope Trump doesn't 'chicken out' on debate - CNNPolitics.comCNN‎ - 2 hours ago

(CNN) Bernie Sanders' campaign manager said Thursday he hopes Donald Trump does not ...
Trump, Sanders explore staging unusual presidential debateReuters‎ - 1 hour ago

Donald Trump and Bernie Sanders Contemplate a DebateNew York Times‎ - 5 hours ago
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People think trump is crazy, but he isn't if you read that NY times article.
he basically slayed like 5 or 6 things in 1 shot.

He takes attention away from Hillary and puts it on another rival. that is huge more so a rival who has voters that hate Hillary already.
2. he puts the networks in a bind basically going sure we will debate if the proceeds earned go to women's health causes. that right there
is a huge 100% slay to people that say he hates women. he simply goes I did a debate the TV networks donated 10-15 million dollars
to womens health charities what are you talking about.

3. he gets more basically free TV time which is what he has run most of his campaign on already.

this guy knows how to operate in the system with little issue.
 
DaveFagan said:
This looks like a great opportunity for Bernie. Trump is a Media magnet and has generated huge free media exposure. This debate would be another Media spectacular and an opportunity for Bernie to shine. He doesn't have to drag Trump's dick in the dirt, just make good sense and deliver sound policy statements. Even a tie would be a big win for Bernie and Hillary's absence would make her appear afraid of Trump and Bernie. It's a natural and for that reason, it should happen. Free California big Media, wowser!
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heck they don't even have to debate at each other they just have to debate Hillary without her being there.
that would be the smartest move by both of them. go after the person not in the room.

if this is an actual thing and happens this is a disaster for Hillary. 100% it is a disaster for her.

her biggest opponents on the same stage with her not there.
 
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