Bend over flori-duh, DeSantis is coming.

[beerftw]

. More words of wisdom from the self proclaimed "socialist" who parrots right wing talking points about as well as any shill.

They are "doing such policies" to cater to their idiot base for votes. Has nothing to do with pushing anyone out, or "protecting children" or whatever, it's all about riling up the rubes for votes.

No they are doing such to push liberals out, lately in bigger cities in texas and florida almost all you see is cali oregon washington ney nork and new jersey license plates, it says a lot about who these governors are trying to push out, it is a message that this is not where they came from, either conform to that state or go back where you came from if where you came from was so great.

 

[Maccabee]

Only one taking a hit is Disney! To the tune of 200 million or so. New taxes on the way.

Evidence?

 

[Puigb]

No they are doing such to push liberals out, lately in bigger cities in texas and florida almost all you see is cali oregon washington ney nork and new jersey license plates, it says a lot about who these governors are trying to push out, it is a message that this is not where they came from, either conform to that state or go back where you came from if where you came from was so great.

Sure bro. And Trump landslides.

 

[HikerGuy83]

It never ceases to amaze me how stupid some of these highly educated folks can be. He may win the republican primary, like others of his ilk in theirs but put them next to sane people in the general election and see how the rest of america feels about them.

So this is admitting Donald Trump was sane ?

 

[Hamish Howl]

Then you have not been paying attention to the honest facts.

Disney has been paying the shortfall in taxes and maintenance all these years.

There's a 2 billion dollar debt that Disney has been paying with revenues from the park.

Now the people of Florida are going to have to pay that shortfall and debt.

The last time I was in Florid there was FIVE separate taxes on hotels. There was FIVE separate taxes on vehicle rentals. Which resulted in the taxes being as much as the principle for the hotel and vehicle. Disney actually charges for parking in their lot. That's on top of the high prices to get into the park and spend the day. Do you really think that people are going to pay even more to go to Disneyworld when Disneyland is much cheaper?

The residents of Florida will have to pay that shortfall and debt or at least some of it.

Then there's all the legal fees of court challenges. If it passes the courts, there are the fees to do the actual change and set up the new system to pay for everything that Disney paid.

It's going to cost the people of Florida billions.

Read the whole article. It's very informative.

Conservative Media Cheering DeSantis Crackdown on Disney Are Ignoring What a Catastrophe It Would Be for Florida

If successful, DeSantis will be not only reversing long-held conservative principles of protecting free speech and private property rights and unleashing colossal economic devastation on Central Florida's local governments and residents, with impacts rippling statewide.

www.mediaite.com

That makes the whole thing funnier.

 

[RAMOSS]

I hated New York so much that I moved to Florida.
Why do you still live in Florida if you are so miserable, if Disantis is ruining the state and your way of life?
California is the place you should be. I heard the weather is great in California.

And we celebrated that move!

 

[bongsaway]

So this is admitting Donald Trump was sane ?

Can you explain your reasoning that brought you to your conclusion? Yeah, trump is a stable genius who knows words.

 

[WorldWatcher]

What I don't understand is if Orange county is on the hook to deliver services why doesn't Disney have to pay? Doesn't everyone else in the county pay?

Disney will still be paying for services, they will continue to pay property taxes and utility bills. No one is saying that Disney won't be paying for those things they were paying in the past nor that they will stop paying the country rates going forward.

However Disney kicked in an additional $5-$10 MILLION per year over their tax rate to the Reedy Creek Special District from park revenue. Funds that Disney is under no obligation to continue paying.

Then there is the transfer of $1-$2 BILLION in Reedy Creek debt this is not Disney responsibility to service, that debt will now be paid off by all taxpayers in those counties (so Disney will continue to help pay to service that debt though taxes, but so will all the county taxpayers.)

WW

 

[Bullseye]

Disney will still be paying for services, they will continue to pay property taxes and utility bills. No one is saying that Disney won't be paying for those things they were paying in the past nor that they will stop paying the country rates going forward.

However Disney kicked in an additional $5-$10 MILLION per year over their tax rate to the Reedy Creek Special District from park revenue. Funds that Disney is under no obligation to continue paying.

Then there is the transfer of $1-$2 BILLION in Reedy Creek debt this is not Disney responsibility to service, that debt will now be paid off by all taxpayers in those counties (so Disney will continue to help pay to service that debt though taxes, but so will all the county taxpayers.)

WW

So, if those addition funds paid for services from the counties involved what's to stop them from continuing to bill Disney?

 

[WorldWatcher]

So, if those addition funds paid for services from the counties involved what's to stop them from continuing to bill Disney?

The will continue to bill Disney for those municipal services where bills are issued. (Water, sewage, waste water management, etc.) Bills will not be issued for things where bills are not normally issued, for example maintenance of public roads, road signage, etc.

Disney will be charged the uniform rates by class (if there is a difference between residential and commercial) for billable municipal services.

Again, don't confuse "rates" with "bills". Rates are a charge per unit. Bills are rates * volume. So of course Disney is still going to pay more by volume.

What would be illegal would be to say here is a Residential Rate, here is a Commercial Rate, and here is a Disney Rate. Assigning a rate specifically to Disney would violate - just off the top of my head:

• Section 10 of the Florida Constitution and Article I Section 9 of the US Constitution, both of which bar Bills of Attainder,
• Then there is the 5th Amendment violation in terms of Due Process,
• And then the 14th Amendments Equal Protection clause,
• Let alone the 1st Amendment violation of the initial bill because Disney said something mean about a Florida Bill.

Then there is the transfer of $1-$2 BILLION in Reedy Creek debt that is now Disney responsibility to service, that debt will now be paid off by all taxpayers in those counties (so Disney will continue to help pay to service that debt though taxes, but so will all the county taxpayers.)

WW

 

[HikerGuy83]

Can you explain your reasoning that brought you to your conclusion? Yeah, trump is a stable genius who knows words.

Here was your statement:

It never ceases to amaze me how stupid some of these highly educated folks can be. He may win the republican primary, like others of his ilk in theirs but put them next to sane people in the general election and see how the rest of america feels about them.

So.....if electors only pick sane people.....DJT must be sane.

Pretty simple using your words.

 

[Bullseye]

The will continue to bill Disney for those municipal services where bills are issued. (Water, sewage, waste water management, etc.) Bills will not be issued for things where bills are not normally issued, for example maintenance of public roads, road signage, etc.

Disney will be charged the uniform rates by class (if there is a difference between residential and commercial) for billable municipal services.

Again, don't confuse "rates" with "bills". Rates are a charge per unit. Bills are rates * volume. So of course Disney is still going to pay more by volume.

What would be illegal would be to say here is a Residential Rate, here is a Commercial Rate, and here is a Disney Rate. Assigning a rate specifically to Disney would violate - just off the top of my head:

• Section 10 of the Florida Constitution and Article I Section 9 of the US Constitution, both of which bar Bills of Attainder,
• Then there is the 5th Amendment violation in terms of Due Process,
• And then the 14th Amendments Equal Protection clause,
• Let alone the 1st Amendment violation of the initial bill because Disney said something mean about a Florida Bill.

Then there is the transfer of $1-$2 BILLION in Reedy Creek debt that is now Disney responsibility to service, that debt will now be paid off by all taxpayers in those counties (so Disney will continue to help pay to service that debt though taxes, but so will all the county taxpayers.)

WW

Why does the county assume Reedy Creek debt? If it's a Disney debt, isn't up to Disney to pay it?

 

[mike2810]

What I don't understand is if Orange county is on the hook to deliver services why doesn't Disney have to pay? Doesn't everyone else in the county pay?

Because Disney is not Reedy Creek.
Current Florida laws defines what happens when a special district is dissolved. The Bill the Gov just signed does not change what happens when Reedy Creek goes away.

 

[mike2810]

So, if those addition funds paid for services from the counties involved what's to stop them from continuing to bill Disney?

Existing Florida law will stop the Country from Billing more than what the law allows.
The Gov and the State is making a mess of things.

 

[mike2810]

Why does the county assume Reedy Creek debt? If it's a Disney debt, isn't up to Disney to pay it?

(2) Unless otherwise provided by law or ordinance, the dissolution of a special district government shall transfer the title to all property owned by the preexisting special district government to the local general-purpose government, which shall also assume all indebtedness of the preexisting special district.

2014 Florida Statutes :: TITLE XIII - PLANNING AND DEVELOPMENT :: Chapter 189 - UNIFORM SPECIAL DISTRICT ACCOUNTABILITY ACT :: Part VII - MERGER AND DISSOLUTION (ss. 189.07-189.0761) :: 189.076 - Financial allocations.

law.justia.com

 

[WorldWatcher]

Why does the county assume Reedy Creek debt? If it's a Disney debt, isn't up to Disney to pay it?

Florida Constitution:




Because it's not Disney debt, it's Ready Creek debt. Two different things. Disney debt remains with Disney, Reedy Creek debt transfers to the local government when the Independent Special District is dissolved.

Curious, I believe you have asked this question before and had the FL Constitution and FL Statutes supplied. Is there a part you need assistance with?

WW

 

[bongsaway]

Here was your statement:

It never ceases to amaze me how stupid some of these highly educated folks can be. He may win the republican primary, like others of his ilk in theirs but put them next to sane people in the general election and see how the rest of america feels about them.

So.....if electors only pick sane people.....DJT must be sane.

Pretty simple using your words.

That's assuming the electors are sane.

 

[HikerGuy83]

That's assuming the electors are sane.

We've elected.....

Bush
Obama
Trump
Biden

sane isn't in any of those.

Or.....maybe, it really was a matter of picking the one you felt would do the least amount of damage.

 

[RAMOSS]

So, if those addition funds paid for services from the counties involved what's to stop them from continuing to bill Disney?

Simple. The law says that the expenses have to be spread equally.

 

[Bullseye]

Simple. The law says that the expenses have to be spread equally.

Property taxes? Really? Utilitity assessments?

 

[RAMOSS]

Property taxes? Really? Utilitity assessments?

For services. Depending on the evalution of the property. Do you mean that Disney has to be evaluated differently?

 

[Bullseye]

For services. Depending on the evalution of the property. Do you mean that Disney has to be evaluated differently?

I would guess Disney and their resorts are going to require a vastly larger amount of those services and therefore have to pay according.

 

[Fletch]

It seems Orange and Osceola counties may bear the brunt of DeSantis' decision to teach disney a lesson as to what they can and can't say. Heck all of the taxpayers of republican controlled flori-duh may take a hit.

My question, considering taxpayers will bear the brunt of this decision if it passes, do you think the voters were informed? Do you think the voters would approve such a thing if they were informed of the consequences? I can just see it, DeSantis telling his fellow floridians he's gonna' get disney and in the end the voters will be footing the bill for billions. Yeah, I think the average voter would say yes, how about you?

You dont care about high taxes. If you did you would be ranting about California. Since you arent, you really cant be taken seriously

 

[Lloyd Christmas]

It seems Orange and Osceola counties may bear the brunt of DeSantis' decision to teach disney a lesson as to what they can and can't say. Heck all of the taxpayers of republican controlled flori-duh may take a hit.

My question, considering taxpayers will bear the brunt of this decision if it passes, do you think the voters were informed? Do you think the voters would approve such a thing if they were informed of the consequences? I can just see it, DeSantis telling his fellow floridians he's gonna' get disney and in the end the voters will be footing the bill for billions. Yeah, I think the average voter would say yes, how about you?

He will do what all republicans do, and their shitty base eat up, just blame democrats even though republicans are the ones making the mess

 

[bongsaway]

You dont care about high taxes. If you did you would be ranting about California. Since you arent, you really cant be taken seriously

Dude, I'm not a republican. I don't wet my pants when the word taxes are mentioned. Your priorities are not mine. I live in florida, why should I be ranting about california? They pay a helluva' lot more into the federal government than most states, so what's the beef to you?