Ben Carson: Obamacare worst thing to happen to the U.S. since slavery

[Crossroads]

Ben Carson: Obamacare worst thing to happen to the U.S. since slavery - Washington Times

I don't actually need to go through the long list of actions taken by the United States that are FAR worse than The Affordable Care Act, do I?

People like him are the reason why the left wing, the democrats, etc, they will never look as insane to me as the right wing, the republicans, etc.

 

[sawdust]

Obamacare is a form of economic slavery. We should not be forced to buy a product that we may not want.

 

[davidtaylorjr]

Ben Carson: Obamacare worst thing to happen to the U.S. since slavery - Washington Times

I don't actually need to go through the long list of actions taken by the United States that are FAR worse than The Affordable Care Act, do I?

People like him are the reason why the left wing, the democrats, etc, they will never look as insane to me as the right wing, the republicans, etc.

Obamacare is a type of slavery, you do realize that right?

 

[Linc]

This was not the worst thing that repubs said yesterday at the 'Values Voter' Summit..
Talk about an oxymoron, listening to L. Gohmert rant on J. McCain for supporting al Qaeda..
Then there's Bachmann with her rants of 'Death Camps'.

Ben Carson: Obamacare worst thing to happen to the U.S. since slavery - Washington Times

I don't actually need to go through the long list of actions taken by the United States that are FAR worse than The Affordable Care Act, do I?

People like him are the reason why the left wing, the democrats, etc, they will never look as insane to me as the right wing, the republicans, etc.

 

[Oftencold]

Ben Carson: Obamacare worst thing to happen to the U.S. since slavery - Washington Times

I don't actually need to go through the long list of actions taken by the United States that are FAR worse than The Affordable Care Act, do I?

People like him are the reason why the left wing, the democrats, etc, they will never look as insane to me as the right wing, the republicans, etc.

Actually, government programs for the "poor" (most Americans have never met truly poor person,)have a lot in common with slavery as it was last legally practiced in this country. In exchange for lost liberty slaves got free health care (they were and expensive and valuable investment,) they got guaranteed housing and clothing, usually a retirement program, and they could be destroyed by their keeper's debt. The biggest difference I can think of, is that actual slaves were required to work.

 

[a351]

And here I thought Pearl Harbor and September 11 would be in the running. Just speed bumps on our journey to the real catastrophe I suppose.

 

[a351]

Actually, government programs for the "poor" (most Americans have never met truly poor person,)have a lot in common with slavery as it was last legally practiced in this country.

Except for the whole "slavery" part, Yes. That's a rather important element of slavery though. Maybe the most important one.

In exchange for lost liberty slaves got free health care (they were and expensive and valuable investment,) they got guaranteed housing and clothing, usually a retirement program, and they could be destroyed by their keeper's debt. The biggest difference I can think of, is that actual slaves were required to work.

Tell us, exactly what freedoms do the poor in this country sacrifice in exchange for these benefits? Anything? It's almost as if this half baked analogy of yours was made with no thought whatsoever..

 

[Oftencold]

Except for the whole "slavery" part, Yes. That's a rather important element of slavery though. Maybe the most important one.

Oh, not so different. We'll have no choice as to whether or not to be included n the greater program. And what is the involuntary seizure of the fruits of my labor at the command of an elite class, if not a closely related to slavery? Slavery is almost never removed entirely from any society, I've found. It does often wear polite disguises though. What people need to understand is that involutary servitude does not cease to be slavery just because we choose to call it something else.

Tell us, exactly what freedoms do the poor in this country sacrifice in exchange for these benefits? Anything? It's almost as if this half baked analogy of yours was made with no thought whatsoever..

Well, obviously, very obviously, the freedom to choose whether or not to participate, to be secure in their privacy and to be left alone by an all intrusive government that claims sovereignty over their flesh. (Again though, the idea that their are significant numbers of truly poor people in this country is a silly fancy. Most Americans have no concept of poverty. They merely confuse it with inconvenience. Poor people struggle with survival, not obesity.)

You do understand I hope, that even harebrained government "health care" schemes are enforced and empowered by the threat of deadly force, yes? There are always people with guns to ensure compliance, behind the pretty words, overly cosmetic websites and vapid speeches. This is true for foreign policy, national defense, zoning laws, parking tickets, and mandatory education. It is all delivered with the assurance that is we do not comply, and are vigorous enough about it, somebody is going to get shot. You should never forget that when you confuse charity and government.

 

[a351]

Oh, not so different. We'll have no choice as to whether or not to be included n the greater program. And what is the involuntary seizure of the fruits of my labor at the command of an elite class, if not a closely related to slavery?

A tax? Fine? Penalty? Choose any term you will. Your hapless tossing about of the term slavery will continue to be a laughingstock.

Slavery is almost never removed entirely from any society, I've found. It does often wear polite disguises though. What people need to understand is that involutary servitude does not cease to be slavery just because we choose to call it something else.

No, it ceases to be Slavery when it fails to meet the definition. Your definition of the term doesn't fit in just about any modern or advanced society. Get with the times.

You do understand I hope, that even harebrained government "health care" schemes are enforced and empowered by the threat of deadly force, yes? There are always people with guns to ensure compliance, behind the pretty words, overly cosmetic websites and vapid speeches. This is true for foreign policy, national defense, zoning laws, parking tickets, and mandatory education. It is all delivered with the assurance that is we do not comply, and are vigorous enough about it, somebody is going to get shot. You should never forget that when you confuse charity and government.

Nope. No threats of deadly force on the radar. Monetary penalties for now. Let us know if you see any black helicopters though.

 

[sawdust]

Oh, not so different. We'll have no choice as to whether or not to be included n the greater program. And what is the involuntary seizure of the fruits of my labor at the command of an elite class, if not a closely related to slavery? Slavery is almost never removed entirely from any society, I've found. It does often wear polite disguises though. What people need to understand is that involutary servitude does not cease to be slavery just because we choose to call it something else.


Well, obviously, very obviously, the freedom to choose whether or not to participate, to be secure in their privacy and to be left alone by an all intrusive government that claims sovereignty over their flesh. (Again though, the idea that their are significant numbers of truly poor people in this country is a silly fancy. Most Americans have no concept of poverty. They merely confuse it with inconvenience. Poor people struggle with survival, not obesity.)

You do understand I hope, that even harebrained government "health care" schemes are enforced and empowered by the threat of deadly force, yes? There are always people with guns to ensure compliance, behind the pretty words, overly cosmetic websites and vapid speeches. This is true for foreign policy, national defense, zoning laws, parking tickets, and mandatory education. It is all delivered with the assurance that is we do not comply, and are vigorous enough about it, somebody is going to get shot. You should never forget that when you confuse charity and government.

One problem that we have in society is that hipsters have never lived in an America that was freer, less statist and had more liberty and individual responsibility. We are still able to reach our dreams but it's more difficult as the Federal government reaches further into our pockets. We are boiling frogs. Young people don't know better, older people are receiving more gifts from the government so too few of them ring the alarm bells.

Politicians who understand our loss of liberty are marginalized by the Washington machine that is only interested in increasing their power. I think the only solution is to throw out all the professional politicians and start over.

 

[Oftencold]

A tax? Fine? Penalty? Choose any term you will. Your hapless tossing about of the term slavery will continue to be a laughingstock.



No, it ceases to be Slavery when it fails to meet the definition. Your definition of the term doesn't fit in just about any modern or advanced society. Get with the times.



Nope. No threats of deadly force on the radar. Monetary penalties for now. Let us know if you see any black helicopters though.

Apply thought.

Monetary penalties are backed by people with guns. If you don't pay, you'll eventually be sentenced to jail. If you refuse to go, someone with a gun will attempt to compel you. If you flee, they will have the option to shoot you. This is true for all laws, and should always be borne in mind.

Every law you wish to see passed, is in effect, the act of compelling your unwilling neighbors under threat of death. I don't care if you wish to pass a non-unanimous referendum to have your local playground equipment painted, this is what you're doing. Do you even understand what the word "government" means?