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Believe EVERYTHING on the right-wing agenda is going to happen; it's not fear-mongering.

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Remember when the right-wing said that Gorsuch, Kavanaugh, and Barrett were going to overturn Roe vs. Wade and the left-wing were fear-mongering? Funny story...

The right-wing don't care about the Constitution, precedent, your rights or your freedom. Everything on their agenda is going to happen when they retake power. They are done with democracy. It's a quaint notion to them.

 

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I will continue to repeat that what the right has been saying and doing for decades is coming about not so much because of the rattlesnake biting as expected by the Rep/cons, but because the Dems have not done their job for those decades to keep the path of democracy clear of the Rep/cons laying ground instead for tyranny and dictatorship and the destruction of democracy.
 

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Believe EVERYTHING on the right-wing agenda is going to happen; it's not fear-mongering.​


It certainly isn't fear mongering, because that would be wonderful.

Of course it's the left who don't believe in the constitution, people's rights, and they especially don't give a damn about people's freedom.... So if those of us on the right actually do get to impose our agenda, those things will be protected, therefore you have absolutely nothing to worry about.

We will abolish the ministry of truth that the left has created to silence opposing political speech and views they disagree with. We will protect freedom of the press in the first amendment by not allowing federal agents to go after members of the press because the president has a grudge against them (James O'Keefe), nor will we allow them to tap their phones and monitor their electronic communications like president Obama did. We will not try to circumvent the second amendment the way the left has been trying to do my entire life. We also will not tolerate federal agents who violate the fourth amendment by lying to the courts to obtain warrants in order to spy on an incoming president the way the FBI did in 2016 for the Obama administration, and will actually prosecute anyone who even attempts such a thing. Unlike the Biden administration, we will also protect the fifth, sixth and eighth amendments by not allowing people to be held in jail for more than a year without charging them with anything, and not allowing them to make bail... especially when the government only has evidence that they were trespassing.

Finally, instead of further expanding the federal government the way the left fights so hard to do, we will uphold the tenth amendment and allow the states and their residents to decide the laws that are best suited for them just as the constitution intended... You know, kind of like SCOTUS is doing now by allowing the states to decide on the abortion issue.

Like I said, I sure hope you're right and we can dispense with all the anti-American silliness brought on by the democrats and their far left identity politics puppet masters that's been slowly destroying our society.

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Believe EVERYTHING on the right-wing agenda is going to happen; it's not fear-mongering.​


It certainly isn't fear mongering, because that would be wonderful.

Of course it's the left who don't believe in the constitution, people's rights, and they especially don't give a damn about people's freedom.... So if those of us on the right actually do get to impose our agenda, those things will be protected, therefore you have absolutely nothing to worry about.

We will abolish the ministry of truth that the left has created to silence opposing political speech and views they disagree with. We will protect freedom of the press in the first amendment by not allowing federal agents to go after members of the press because the president has a grudge against them (James O'Keefe), nor will we allow them to tap their phones and monitor their electronic communications like president Obama did. We will not try to circumvent the second amendment the way the left has been trying to do my entire life. We also will not tolerate federal agents who violate the fourth amendment by lying to the courts to obtain warrants in order to spy on an incoming president the way the FBI did in 2016 for the Obama administration, and will actually prosecute anyone who even attempts such a thing. Unlike the Biden administration, we will also protect the fifth, sixth and eighth amendments by not allowing people to be held in jail for more than a year without charging them with anything, and not allowing they to make bail... especially when the government only has evidence that they were trespassing.

Finally, instead of further expanding the federal government the way the left fights so hard to do, we will uphold the tenth amendment and allow the states and their residents to decide the laws that are best suited for them just as the constitution intended... You know, kind of like SCOTUS is doing now by allowing the states to decide on the abortion issue.

Like I said, I sure hope you're right and we can dispense with all the anti-American silliness brought on by the democrats and their far left identity politics puppet masters that's been slowly destroying our society.

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The Kool Aid runs deep in this one.
 

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Finally, instead of further expanding the federal government the way the left fights so hard to do, we will uphold the tenth amendment and allow the states and their residents to decide the laws that are best suited for them just as the constitution intended.

The right-wing is leveraging government power to strip Constitutional rights from women and censor free speech, which the Supreme Court is supposed to protect against. Do you also want to return to chattel slavery? You're on a good start.
 
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Remember when the right-wing said that Gorsuch, Kavanaugh, and Barrett were going to overturn Roe vs. Wade and the left-wing were fear-mongering? Funny story...

The right-wing don't care about the Constitution, precedent, your rights or your freedom. Everything on their agenda is going to happen when they retake power. They are done with democracy. It's a quaint notion to them.


The Republicans got there judges. It's been there number 1 goal since gay marriage was approved, and they felt the sting of loosing the culture war.

I did warn, the Right won't be satisfied until they make America into there twisted vision.
 

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The right-wing is leveraging government power to strip Constitutional rights from women and censor free speech, which the Supreme Court is supposed to protect against. Do you also want to turn to chattel slavery? You're on a good start.
That's just the kind of manufactured, phony, over-the-top identity politics rhetoric we need to dispense with. I mean really... Abortion in the constitution... bringing back slavery... I'd laugh if your rhetoric wasn't so sad and pathetic.
 

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That's just the kind of manufactured, phony, over-the-top identity politics rhetoric we need to dispense with.

Yeah, that's what you guys said when you claimed Roe v. Wade was safe to get your SCOTUS appointments through. As I said, everything on the right-wing menu is going to happen. LGBTQ will be stripped of rights next (definitely gay marriage is done), then onto minorities who are already being voter-disenfranchised. Minority rule and the rise of a new theocratic ethno-state. Not hyperbole in the slightest.

There should be a BDS movement against any state that outlaws abortion.
 

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Remember when the right-wing said that Gorsuch, Kavanaugh, and Barrett were going to overturn Roe vs. Wade and the left-wing were fear-mongering? Funny story...

The right-wing don't care about the Constitution, precedent, your rights or your freedom. Everything on their agenda is going to happen when they retake power. They are done with democracy. It's a quaint notion to them.



The party of freedom and small government my foot.
 

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The Republicans got there judges. It's been there number 1 goal since gay marriage was approved, and they felt the sting of loosing the culture war.

I did warn, the Right won't be satisfied until they make America into there twisted vision.
And people wonder why they keep supporting a known liar and dangerously corrupt politician like Donald Trump. It wasn’t about the lies.
 

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Of course it's the left who don't believe in the constitution, people's rights, and they especially don't give a damn about people's freedom.... So if those of us on the right actually do get to impose our agenda, those things will be protected, therefore you have absolutely nothing to worry about.
"Impose our agenda" That's exactly what the left has been warning us about. Passing laws that are not accepted by a majority of Americans. It's an agenda, and your forcing it on everyone.

The mere fact that the three Trump justices were appointed by a guy who lost the popular vote helps us understand that 'Impose' language. So I guess we can all plan on LGBT rights going out the door. Same sex marriage going out the door. What's next? Any and all forms of birth control?

Welcome to authoritarian controlled American my friends. It's coming, probably faster than anyone ever thought it would.
 

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Believe EVERYTHING on the right-wing agenda is going to happen; it's not fear-mongering.​


It certainly isn't fear mongering, because that would be wonderful.

Of course it's the left who don't believe in the constitution, people's rights, and they especially don't give a damn about people's freedom.... So if those of us on the right actually do get to impose our agenda, those things will be protected, therefore you have absolutely nothing to worry about.

We will abolish the ministry of truth that the left has created to silence opposing political speech and views they disagree with. We will protect freedom of the press in the first amendment by not allowing federal agents to go after members of the press because the president has a grudge against them (James O'Keefe), nor will we allow them to tap their phones and monitor their electronic communications like president Obama did.
Oy Vey! Another memo from bizzarro world. :rolleyes:

I don't have time this AM to totally unpack this sack of manure, but before I get to my first cup of covfefe, I might point out a few glaring highlights.

It isn't the left that's been attacking the press - it's the Right-wing-nuts. And your Obama reference was debunked long ago.
We will not try to circumvent the second amendment the way the left has been trying to do my entire life.
Regulation of guns has been with this country for more than 100 years, and has passed Supreme Court scrutiny many times. We will always have some gun regulation, and we'll all be safer for whatever amount we have. If the 2nd Amendment Right-wing-nuts get their way, we'll have full auto Mac 10s on every other bus and subway car, mowing innocent people down like blades of grass, mostly at the hands of the well-intentioned hero, the good-guy-with-a-gun "responsible gun owner".
We also will not tolerate federal agents who violate the fourth amendment by lying to the courts to obtain warrants in order to spy on an incoming president the way the FBI did in 2016 for the Obama administration, and will actually prosecute anyone who even attempts such a thing.
See above
Unlike the Biden administration, we will also protect the fifth, sixth and eighth amendments by not allowing people to be held in jail for more than a year without charging them with anything, and not allowing them to make bail... especially when the government only has evidence that they were trespassing.
Let's remember who last suspended habeas corpus. Let's remember who created the laws that allow the government to imprison Americans with no formal charges, and hold them indefinitely, without so much as a phone call. That was the RIGHT-wing-nuts of the Republican Party during the Bush administration - not the left. In fact, the biggest threat to your precious guns was the euphemistically entitled USA Patriot Act, which gave the government the power to simply declare you a terrorist, pull you out of the big box store while you're buying toilet paper, imprison you with no rights whatsoever, and stop by your place and confiscate all your guns at their leisure. That wasn't the left - it was the RIGHT-wing-nuts that did that.
Finally, instead of further expanding the federal government the way the left fights so hard to do,
ALL of the biggest government expansions in the 21st century have been by the right-wing-nuts, not the left. Who just invented "the Space Force", adding an entire new echelon to the Pentagon, a new seat on the Joint Chiefs of Staff, and thusly every other commensurate rank beneath them? Who did that? The RIGHT-wing-nut Trump. And who created DHS - now the third largest cabinet department with 240,000 government employees! Correct again. The Department of Homeland Security is a Right-wing-nut contribution to government size. Chew on that for awhile.
we will uphold the tenth amendment and allow the states and their residents to decide the laws that are best suited for them just as the constitution intended... You know, kind of like SCOTUS is doing now by allowing the states to decide on the abortion issue.

Like I said, I sure hope you're right and we can dispense with all the anti-American silliness brought on by the democrats and their far left identity politics puppet masters that's been slowly destroying our society.
So much for this memo from bizzarro world.
 

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Believe EVERYTHING on the right-wing agenda is going to happen; it's not fear-mongering.​


It certainly isn't fear mongering, because that would be wonderful.

Of course it's the left who don't believe in the constitution, people's rights, and they especially don't give a damn about people's freedom.... So if those of us on the right actually do get to impose our agenda, those things will be protected, therefore you have absolutely nothing to worry about.

We will abolish the ministry of truth that the left has created to silence opposing political speech and views they disagree with. We will protect freedom of the press in the first amendment by not allowing federal agents to go after members of the press because the president has a grudge against them (James O'Keefe), nor will we allow them to tap their phones and monitor their electronic communications like president Obama did. We will not try to circumvent the second amendment the way the left has been trying to do my entire life. We also will not tolerate federal agents who violate the fourth amendment by lying to the courts to obtain warrants in order to spy on an incoming president the way the FBI did in 2016 for the Obama administration, and will actually prosecute anyone who even attempts such a thing. Unlike the Biden administration, we will also protect the fifth, sixth and eighth amendments by not allowing people to be held in jail for more than a year without charging them with anything, and not allowing them to make bail... especially when the government only has evidence that they were trespassing.

Finally, instead of further expanding the federal government the way the left fights so hard to do, we will uphold the tenth amendment and allow the states and their residents to decide the laws that are best suited for them just as the constitution intended... You know, kind of like SCOTUS is doing now by allowing the states to decide on the abortion issue.

Like I said, I sure hope you're right and we can dispense with all the anti-American silliness brought on by the democrats and their far left identity politics puppet masters that's been slowly destroying our society.

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How can you tell this lie in the face of the convincing evidence presented by the supreme court yesterday?
 

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How can you tell this lie in the face of the convincing evidence presented by the supreme court yesterday?
The SCOTUS didn't outlaw abortion, it did just as the constitution intended in the first place, to allow each state to decide the issue.

I'm sorry if hurt your authoritarian feelings.

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That's just the kind of manufactured, phony, over-the-top identity politics rhetoric we need to dispense with. I mean really... Abortion in the constitution... bringing back slavery... I'd laugh if your rhetoric wasn't so sad and pathetic.
Keep chipping away at individual rights, pay on election day 👍
 

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The SCOTUS didn't outlaw abortion, it did just as the constitution intended in the first place, to allow each state to decide the issue.

I'm sorry if hurt your authoritarian feelings.

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LOL!! They took away a right. You can't sugarcoat this. Your ridiculous party has just sealed their fate.
 

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That's just the kind of manufactured, phony, over-the-top identity politics rhetoric we need to dispense with. I mean really... Abortion in the constitution... bringing back slavery... I'd laugh if your rhetoric wasn't so sad and pathetic.

All it would take would be a law saying that if you are convicted of a crime, the government can punish you with “involuntary servitude” (allowed by the Constitution) and then they can sell you to a private owner to use your labor.

Considering the Right loves private prisons and private prison labor, we’re already 90% there.
 

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The SCOTUS didn't outlaw abortion, it did just as the constitution intended in the first place, to allow each state to decide the issue.

I'm sorry if hurt your authoritarian feelings.

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So whether or not women own their own bodies should be up to individual states to decide?
 

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There's always going to be an argument for why women, or blacks, or gays, or socialists cannot have the same rights and the freedom to determine their own lives and destinies. For women, it's because of the sacred fertilized egg. For gays it's because they're all pedophiles. Historically, for blacks, it's because they cannot exist in civilized society. The Supreme Court is supposed to exist outside of any ideological rationale to protect everyone's rights. However, as Cenk said, the right-wing by default don't care about anything except cramming THEIR way for how YOU should live down YOUR throat.

As I've said many times, the Supreme Court is lost. It's been taken over by religious zealots who DON'T CARE about your rights. Which is why there should definitely be a BDS movement targeting any state that outlaws abortion. Use whatever power is available to you as organized citizens. Otherwise, say goodbye to your rights. If this doesn't impact you, wait till next time.
 

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So whether or not women own their own bodies should be up to individual states to decide?

Why is that worse than wanting it decided at the federal level? If you lose at the federal level, then women have to leave the country to get an abortion.
 
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Yup, Taliban is now ruling. **** conservatives scumbags. But...but.. its all the fault of liberals. No you ****ing morons, its your selfish, racist, fearful coward , terrorist assholes
 

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Why is that worse than wanting it decided at the federal level? If you lose at the federal level, then women have to leave the country to get an abortion.

You realize that Anti-Choice states are already pushing for laws that would criminalize a woman getting an abortion regardless of where she has it, right?
 

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There's always going to be an argument for why women, or blacks, or gays, or socialists cannot have the same rights and the freedom to determine their own lives and destinies. For women, it's because of the sacred fertilized egg. For gays it's because they're all pedophiles. Historically, for blacks, it's because they cannot exist in civilized society. The Supreme Court is supposed to exist outside of any ideological rationale to protect everyone's rights.

Lol, really? Isn't this the same court that once ruled that black people are the legitimate property of white people?

Furthermore, don't people like you believe government in general exists to protect people's rights?

However, as Cenk said, the right-wing by default don't care about anything except cramming THEIR way for how YOU should live down YOUR throat.

As I've said many times, the Supreme Court is lost. It's been taken over by religious zealots who DON'T CARE about your rights. Which is why there should definitely be a BDS movement targeting any state that outlaws abortion. Use whatever power is available to you as organized citizens. Otherwise, say goodbye to your rights. If this doesn't impact you, wait till next time.

I wouldn't worry about this ruling too much. In states which outlaw abortion, the market will provide pregnant women with options.
 
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