Believce it or Not, Ukraine Is On The Offensive

[jpn]

Ukraine is actually reported to be on the offensive in several areas of the country.

KYIV, Ukraine — A month into a war that began with widespread expectations of a quick Russian rout, Ukraine’s military has begun a counteroffensive that has altered the central dynamic of the fighting: the question is no longer how far Russian forces have advanced, but whether the Ukrainians are now pushing them back.​

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Ukraine has blown up parked Russian helicopters in the south, and on Thursday claimed to have destroyed a naval ship in the Sea of Azov. Its forces struck a Russian resupply convoy in the Northeast.​

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Western and Ukrainian officials also have claimed progress in fierce fighting around the capital, Kyiv.​

Take that Vladimir.

 

[Luce]

Ukraine is actually reported to be on the offensive in several areas of the country.

KYIV, Ukraine — A month into a war that began with widespread expectations of a quick Russian rout, Ukraine’s military has begun a counteroffensive that has altered the central dynamic of the fighting: the question is no longer how far Russian forces have advanced, but whether the Ukrainians are now pushing them back.​

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Ukraine has blown up parked Russian helicopters in the south, and on Thursday claimed to have destroyed a naval ship in the Sea of Azov. Its forces struck a Russian resupply convoy in the Northeast.​

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Western and Ukrainian officials also have claimed progress in fierce fighting around the capital, Kyiv.​

Take that Vladimir.

I saw the video of the destruction of the Orsk, the transport ship that was claimed to have been destroyed.

It was more or less on fire from bow to stern, and appeared to be wharfside, though it was hard to tell.

Whether or not it has been totally destroyed is irrelevant. It won't be back in action in time to have any use during this war.

 

[Felis Leo]

Ukraine is actually reported to be on the offensive in several areas of the country.

KYIV, Ukraine — A month into a war that began with widespread expectations of a quick Russian rout, Ukraine’s military has begun a counteroffensive that has altered the central dynamic of the fighting: the question is no longer how far Russian forces have advanced, but whether the Ukrainians are now pushing them back.​

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Ukraine has blown up parked Russian helicopters in the south, and on Thursday claimed to have destroyed a naval ship in the Sea of Azov. Its forces struck a Russian resupply convoy in the Northeast.​

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Western and Ukrainian officials also have claimed progress in fierce fighting around the capital, Kyiv.​

Take that Vladimir.

I hope you are right, jpn. I think we will know if Russia is not merely ground to a halt but truly losing when we see mass withdrawals and/or mass surrenders of Russian troops. When we see columns of thousands of disarmed Russian soldiers being marched through the streets of Kiev and Odessa under armed Ukrainian guard, Russia can be said to have truly lost.

 

[jpn]

I saw the video of the destruction of the Orsk, the transport ship that was claimed to have been destroyed.
It was more or less on fire from bow to stern, and appeared to be wharfside, though it was hard to tell.
Whether or not it has been totally destroyed is irrelevant. It won't be back in action in time to have any use during this war.

And a second large ship was making a quick getaway, partially on fire itself.

 

[Luce]

And a second large ship was making a quick getaway, partially on fire itself.

The whole naval contingent scooted.

After this, the Russian Navy has been really wary around the coastline:

Russian warship that attacked defiant Ukrainian soldiers on Snake Island has been destroyed

A Russian warship that attacked Snake Island in a video that went viral for its portrayal of Ukrainian defiance has been destroyed, according to new reports.

abc7news.com

 

[Mach]

And a second large ship was making a quick getaway, partially on fire itself.

Rumor is that they were able to target that ship(s) due to some propaganda video showing off their transport ship. Seeing that, Ukrainians were able to target them.

 

[The Mark]

Rumor is that they were able to target that ship(s) due to some propaganda video showing off their transport ship. Seeing that, Ukrainians were able to target them.

What decade do they think they're fighting in?
Russia, I mean.

 

[Luce]

Rumor is that they were able to target that ship(s) due to some propaganda video showing off their transport ship. Seeing that, Ukrainians were able to target them.

Looks like a serious munitions fire. The port side of the bow blew out in that video.

 

[Luce]

What decade do they think they're fighting in?
Russia, I mean.

1956, apparently.

 

[Mr Person]

"Did I do that?"

 

[ttwtt78640]

Ukraine is actually reported to be on the offensive in several areas of the country.

KYIV, Ukraine — A month into a war that began with widespread expectations of a quick Russian rout, Ukraine’s military has begun a counteroffensive that has altered the central dynamic of the fighting: the question is no longer how far Russian forces have advanced, but whether the Ukrainians are now pushing them back.​

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Ukraine has blown up parked Russian helicopters in the south, and on Thursday claimed to have destroyed a naval ship in the Sea of Azov. Its forces struck a Russian resupply convoy in the Northeast.​

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Western and Ukrainian officials also have claimed progress in fierce fighting around the capital, Kyiv.​

Take that Vladimir.

Yep, billions in foreign aid can work wonders when it is put to good use.

 

[Nomad4Ever]

What decade do they think they're fighting in?
Russia, I mean.

Apparently somewhere between 1891-1930 😂

Developed from 1882 to 1891, it was used by the armed forces of the Russian Empire, the Soviet Union and various other nations. It is one of the most mass-produced military bolt-action rifles in history with over 37 million units having been made since 1891.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mosin–Nagant

 

[VySky]

Ukraine is actually reported to be on the offensive in several areas of the country.

KYIV, Ukraine — A month into a war that began with widespread expectations of a quick Russian rout, Ukraine’s military has begun a counteroffensive that has altered the central dynamic of the fighting: the question is no longer how far Russian forces have advanced, but whether the Ukrainians are now pushing them back.​

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Ukraine has blown up parked Russian helicopters in the south, and on Thursday claimed to have destroyed a naval ship in the Sea of Azov. Its forces struck a Russian resupply convoy in the Northeast.​

​

Western and Ukrainian officials also have claimed progress in fierce fighting around the capital, Kyiv.​

Take that Vladimir.

Why is this a surprise? I argued last week against Psaki’s excuse the Migs were offensive weapons. My comment was so what? What’s wrong with Ukraine going on the offensive? It’s a smart tactical move. Defense wins college football Championships, war not so much.

 

[DarkWizard12]

Ukraine is actually reported to be on the offensive in several areas of the country.

KYIV, Ukraine — A month into a war that began with widespread expectations of a quick Russian rout, Ukraine’s military has begun a counteroffensive that has altered the central dynamic of the fighting: the question is no longer how far Russian forces have advanced, but whether the Ukrainians are now pushing them back.​

​

Ukraine has blown up parked Russian helicopters in the south, and on Thursday claimed to have destroyed a naval ship in the Sea of Azov. Its forces struck a Russian resupply convoy in the Northeast.​

​

Western and Ukrainian officials also have claimed progress in fierce fighting around the capital, Kyiv.​

Take that Vladimir.

this isn't good. the longer this goes on, the more likely it is he uses nukes.

We'll probably see putin nuke kyiv in the next 6 months....no more than a year, at most.

 

[EnigmaO01]

I do worry if we see mass withdrawals Putin cold start using tactical nukes.

 

[Checkerboard Strangler]

I do worry if we see mass withdrawals Putin cold start using tactical nukes.

Look, assume it's a given that he will, okay?
I say that because absent a clear surrender by Zelensky and total victory, that IS what he will do.

 

[EnigmaO01]

Look, assume it's a given that he will, okay?
I say that because absent a clear surrender by Zelensky and total victory, that IS what he will do.

I hope you are wrong.

 

[Checkerboard Strangler]

I hope you are wrong.

So do I because it's not just ME talking.
I realize this is a pessimistic view but I already accepted that Putin was always "the Trump Whisperer" and knowing
what Trump is capable of, his "Daddy" is capable of even more, as I am sure you may have already guessed.

Putin is quoted as saying, "Why do we need a world if Russia is not in it?"
What does that tell you? I know what it tells me.

 

[EnigmaO01]

So do I because it's not just ME talking.
I realize this is a pessimistic view but I already accepted that Putin was always "the Trump Whisperer" and knowing
what Trump is capable of, his "Daddy" is capable of even more, as I am sure you may have already guessed.

Putin is quoted as saying, "Why do we need a world if Russia is not in it?"
What does that tell you? I know what it tells me.

OTOH one could see it as a positive. As in he would not risk the annihilation of Russia by using nukes.

 

[Checkerboard Strangler]

OTOH one could see it as a positive. As in he would not risk the annihilation of Russia but using nukes.

I guess I hope you're right.

 

[phoenix2020]

So do I because it's not just ME talking.
I realize this is a pessimistic view but I already accepted that Putin was always "the Trump Whisperer" and knowing
what Trump is capable of, his "Daddy" is capable of even more, as I am sure you may have already guessed.

Putin is quoted as saying, "Why do we need a world if Russia is not in it?"
What does that tell you? I know what it tells me.

Maybe you're right but I don't think he will. I continue to see Russia's survival as an ongoing entity depending heavily on China's strategic support, and right now that support comes at no actual cost to China as long as this war remains low grade and conventional. The moment weapons of mass destruction enter the picture, the cost of pragmatic China supporting Russia will become very high, and that support will disappear immediately--as China is able to do, being a centrally planned totalitarian state.

Once that happens, it would not be surprising if Putin were dead within 24 hours.

That's my dollar bet as to how nuclear deployments would play out.

 

[What if...?]

Rumor is that they were able to target that ship(s) due to some propaganda video showing off their transport ship. Seeing that, Ukrainians were able to target them.

Insert Nelson meme here.

 

[maxparrish]

this isn't good. the longer this goes on, the more likely it is he uses nukes.

We'll probably see putin nuke kyiv in the next 6 months....no more than a year, at most.

Putin has, by Russian standards, attempted not to flatten all cities for one reason, he knows it would have a region of enemies for decades. He hasn't called in the bombers and mostly limited the use of conventional weapons that have no other purpose.

If he wants to go full genocide, conventional weapons have less downside in the World's opinion and are just as effective.

The only time I see Putin using a nuclear weapon is when the 'existential existence' of Russia is threatened. A military defeat in Ukraine isn't sufficient. An invasion of Russia might be.

 

[maxparrish]

Why is this a surprise? I argued last week against Psaki’s excuse the Migs were offensive weapons. My comment was so what? What’s wrong with Ukraine going on the offensive? It’s a smart tactical move. Defense wins college football Championships, war not so much.

So Psaki used the "offensive weapons" excuse over the MIGS? I'll have to look that up.

 

[Checkerboard Strangler]

So Psaki used the "offensive weapons" excuse over the MIGS? I'll have to look that up.

What? Jenn Psaki isn't DoD.