Montecresto
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Acting to establish a claim by force undercuts the possible validity of the claim. China has drawn a contorted and tortured map in an attempt to establish that claim as well. Note that the map China offers also includes Taiwan. I wonder if Taiwan should approach the UN and claim China as theirs.
You haven't a clue about the history of the Spratlys, nor any understanding of what overlapping claims mean, as such your a waste of time, take the last word and then go play games with someone else, hear?
Acting to establish a claim by force undercuts the possible validity of the claim. China has drawn a contorted and tortured map in an attempt to establish that claim as well. Note that the map China offers also includes Taiwan. I wonder if Taiwan should approach the UN and claim China as theirs.
Taiwan claims all the islands in the Spratly archipelago, too!! Where's that leave Vietnam, the Philippines, and others??
Mornin HB. :2wave: Yeah and South Korea too. Imagine that.
The more the merrier, I suppose. A couple of typhoons or a seismic event might make the Chinese reconsider the utility of their effort. Hopefully the whole flap will be settled in an amicable manner, but given the number of claims, there's bound to be some long faces somewhere. Meanwhile, the poor fishermen from the surrounding areas will be left in the lurch. China appears to be installing some radars, and since they don't appear to be constructing a tourist destination, one can reasonably expect that the complimentary "things that go boom" elements will follow.
That's when they aren't ramming fishing boats, and using Blast fishing to acquire their catch.
For my final attempt with you JANFU. Though there's more than this, China holds a treaty from 1887 known as the boundary convention, signed between China and France at the conclusion of the Sino-French war, in which China already fought for the un inhabited Spratly islands and won! In which treaty the Chinese are documented as the rightful owners! Furthermore, in 1939, the Japanese wrested possession of the islands from the Chinese, but after the Japanese surrender, during restoration, the Spratlys were returned to the Chinese in 1947.
If you want America to stand up to China, then your advocating Americans spill their blood. I'm not loosing any argument. The Chinese, nor any of the other claimants give a **** what you and I have to say about this!
Facts be damned. They don't care 'bout no stinking piece of paper.
There will be more than the US involved if it came to that.
That appears to be the case. Then they may be pushing to see how far and what then can gain from it.
They know we aren't going to war over it, so they'll take what they can grab. The countries in the region objecting pose no threat to China. In fact they're trading partners with China. The Chinese have taken a lesson from Putin and are getting what they can while our global influence is at a low ebb.
The more the merrier, I suppose. A couple of typhoons or a seismic event might make the Chinese reconsider the utility of their effort. Hopefully the whole flap will be settled in an amicable manner, but given the number of claims, there's bound to be some long faces somewhere. Meanwhile, the poor fishermen from the surrounding areas will be left in the lurch. China appears to be installing some radars, and since they don't appear to be constructing a tourist destination, one can reasonably expect that the complimentary "things that go boom" elements will follow.
They know we aren't going to war over it, so they'll take what they can grab. The countries in the region objecting pose no threat to China. In fact they're trading partners with China. The Chinese have taken a lesson from Putin and are getting what they can while our global influence is at a low ebb.
Acting to establish a claim by force undercuts the possible validity of the claim. China has drawn a contorted and tortured map in an attempt to establish that claim as well. Note that the map China offers also includes Taiwan. I wonder if Taiwan should approach the UN and claim China as theirs.
I don't think anybody can definitively state that "they know we aren't going to war over it"
Yes there would be, but as an American, of course my concerns are with American blood and treasure. I'm sure there would be Filipino citizens for example that would be taking up their own concerns with their own government over their feelings about spending blood and treasure in defense of the insignificant Spratly islands.
Probably not, but if I were China just now, I'd take that gamble.
We are seeing why it is dangerous--even to the point of inviting war on a large scale--to have a weak sister like Barack Obama as president. It is six years of weakness under his presidency that has encouraged this aggressiveness by the leadership of China, just as it has encouraged other rivals and adversaries of this country to be aggressive. It takes courage, determination, and the ability to lead to further the interests of the United States in the world, however much that fact may offend the exquisite sensitivities of Barack Obama and his pajama-boy acolytes.
Well there you have it, if I were China right now, I would fully expect a US military response to this, sense those with the power to order the Pentagon to make plans, the CIC and his cabinet are failing to acknowledge that China has the strongest claims to the Spratlys. Does anybody think that at a time when the US is seeking containment of China's growth and influence, that they'd be siding with China on this, when this situation presents itself as a good early opportunity for the US to engage China militarily now, before they have too much more time to balance the military power between the two states??
I don't think Obama is prepared to engage militarily with China over Taiwan, so I don't thing we'll be in a fight with them over the Spratlys. We could contain their entrepreneurial exuberance in the South China Sea, though. They aren't building a military base just to defend a military base.
And once again I ask what is the US stake in this and have any of its regional allies asked it to intercede politically or militarily on their behalf here ?
No, none have asked to my knowledge. If you haven't received an answer in nearly 200 posts that satisfies you, one doesn't likely exist that will. I hope our interests go beyond just the South China Sea, but I don't make policy - I just offer very pedestrian comment on it now and then.
So it could be claimed that the US is sticking its nose into something that is really none of its business and where it has never been asked to . I'm guessing that the stimulation of a new arms race this time with the Chinese might be the alterior motive here. Given the lack of any serious existential military threat since the end of the Cold War that huge US defence budget has to be justified somehow
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