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Beijing warns US: 'We will fight back' as battle of words escalates over South China

Re: Beijing warns US: 'We will fight back' as battle of words escalates over South Ch

Jack Hays said:
Sorry, but I've never said there was no authority in IL. There are times when IL is not determinative, but that's a very different standard. What is interesting to me is that you seem to apply IL only to the US.
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If there are times when IL isn't determinative, then it's arbitrary, and as such toothless, and may as well not even be invoked. One big difference between the US and other countries is the pretentious facade of righteousness. The shinning city on a hill, defender of truth, freedom, democracy and all of the other "wholesome" adjectives we hear regularly to describe American exceptionalism. Why not just concede that its a dog eat dog world. If adhering to IL in one situation is advantageous fine and if not in another that's fine too. Admit that borders are sovereign when it's ours, or some other nation we have an interest in protecting, (Ukraine) But if it's Iraq, Pakistan, Syria or Yemen, then not so much. Dictators are bad, unless they're our dictators, and I could go on endlessly with that, but you should get the point. "There is none righteous, no not one"
 
Re: Beijing warns US: 'We will fight back' as battle of words escalates over South Ch

donsutherland1 said:
China's current actions are largely symbolic. The interests or views underlying them are not.
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I'll go with you on that.
 
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Jack Hays said:
Freedom of navigation is a core vital interest of the U.S. for which we have fought ever since the Barbary pirates.
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tell me what you think the US should do about these islands. let's hear the plan. include what you're personally willing to pay in extra taxes to keep China from claiming the islands. will you stop buying Chinese made goods until the islands have been returned to their rightful owners?
 
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And yet, on balance, we do more good than harm, and more good than any other country.
 
Re: Beijing warns US: 'We will fight back' as battle of words escalates over South Ch


We should do nothing about the islands. We should continue to exercise our free navigation rights.
 
Re: Beijing warns US: 'We will fight back' as battle of words escalates over South Ch

Jack Hays said:
Please see #414. It is US policy to uphold UNCLOS regardless of non-ratification.
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Yeah, I know that, I already addressed it too. As the CFR pointed out, if the US cared about legitimacy, and not giving false perceptions, it would ratify it.
 
Re: Beijing warns US: 'We will fight back' as battle of words escalates over South Ch

Jack Hays said:
Ah. So you have no evidence. Just another anti-American lie, as I suspected.
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That's not what I said. We, you and me Jack, have beat that horse to death in other threads and forums where I have posted such evidence and you just want to derail the topic of China's title and rights to the Spratly's, and your hypocrisy where Vietnam and Taiwan is concerned.
 
Re: Beijing warns US: 'We will fight back' as battle of words escalates over South Ch

Montecresto said:
Yeah, I know that, I already addressed it too. As the CFR pointed out, if the US cared about legitimacy, and not giving false perceptions, it would ratify it.
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That's actually irrelevant.
 
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You brought it up and no, we've never discussed it. So either put up or shut up.
 
Re: Beijing warns US: 'We will fight back' as battle of words escalates over South Ch

Jack Hays said:
And yet, on balance, we do more good than harm, and more good than any other country.
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Typical dismissal from you.
 
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Jack Hays said:
That's actually irrelevant.
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Not to China, but what would you care obviously.
 
Re: Beijing warns US: 'We will fight back' as battle of words escalates over South Ch

Jack Hays said:
You brought it up and no, we've never discussed it. So either put up or shut up.
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Yes we have, and now your lying, so take your own advice.
 
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They can feel free to whine....

Not much else needs to be said but this.
 
Re: Beijing warns US: 'We will fight back' as battle of words escalates over South Ch

Jack Hays said:
We should do nothing about the islands. We should continue to exercise our free navigation rights.
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a vague answer. let's hear the plan.
 
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Helix said:
a vague answer. let's hear the plan.
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He already said it, a right to fight. He, as all the fringe right, is always spoiling for a fight. Loves the US provocations to China, which even the CFR has said should stop!
 
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Helix said:
a vague answer. let's hear the plan.
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The islands are not a U.S. interest. Freedom of navigation is. The plan is that we will sail and fly in international waters and air space.
 
Re: Beijing warns US: 'We will fight back' as battle of words escalates over South Ch

Jack Hays said:
If that's what you think then that explains much. It's the central point.
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Wrong, you don't beat your wife but point out that you pay your taxes and get to work on time therefore claim you do more good than harm. :roll:
 
Re: Beijing warns US: 'We will fight back' as battle of words escalates over South Ch

Jack Hays said:
The islands are not a U.S. interest. Freedom of navigation is. The plan is that we will sail and fly in international waters and air space.
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specifics, please. outline what the pissing contest looks like.
 
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Van Basten said:
They can feel free to whine....


Not much else needs to be said but this.
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Vietnam has their own reclamation project and has built their own military infrastructure on the same islands in dispute!!
 
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Montecresto said:
Vietnam has their own reclamation project and has built their own military infrastructure on the same islands in dispute!!
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Right.

I've seen a good chunk of your posts in the early stages of this thread, I won't get pulled into your little rodeo.
 
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Van Basten said:
Right.

I've seen a good chunk of your posts in the early stages of this thread, I won't get pulled into your little rodeo.
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Oh ok. Pointing out that Vietnam's doing the same thing you boys want to accuse China of is my little rodeo, lol.
 
Re: Beijing warns US: 'We will fight back' as battle of words escalates over South Ch


You're conflating two separate issues here. I have consistently said there is a venue for settling these disputes, and none of it involves building anything anywhere in advance of a settlement.
 
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Actually, what you've bolded is what you claim I think - not at all what I have said or think. And no, I'm not checking every claim - I'm looking at the particular one that poses the greatest problem.
 
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