Montecresto
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Oil, gas, fishing rights, minerals and control of the area. They can easily create a Denial of Area to any country they wish to.
Denial of Area, making it costly in blood and treasure is meant to lock out the US from Asia.
And China play a long game, and that is my opinion.
They want Asia and the countries near them to be more like client states.
TPP will also cost them trade and investment.
India is upping their military spending, why, due to China and security issues.
But China only has so long to do this.
Aging population and as economists say, China will be old, before they are rich.
India on the other hand is or will be a Superpower in the next 20-30 years.
Then we have Malaysia, economy on fire and growing fast.
As to the US pivot to Asia, well that is what most countries are doing as Asia is where growth is.
There will not be a Unipolar world for much longer, with the US at the top of the heap.
More likely Tri Polar. US-China-India-
And Russia, well until they reform their economy and legal titles to property, rid themselves of corruption, they will be China's Putz Boys.
Do they legally own each one of the many rock outcroppings?
China and Taiwan agreed years ago on this.We've been over this repeatedly. Yes, having read from an array of differing accounts, taking into consideration all the different biases and subjective interests of not only the six countries which have the overlapping claims, but various advocacy groups, experts in international/foreign affairs, and so on, China emerges as the most legitimate claimant, they simply do. And I remain frustrated by those that continue to point to the infrastructure that China has built on "disputed islands" while the other claimants (save Brunei) have in fact constructed their own infrastructures as well as rotated troops upon the very same "disputed islands" without a single mention, let alone criticism. Additionally you won't comment on the fact that Taiwan has laid claim to the entire Spratly archipelago and the implications that has on Vietnam, Philippines and Malaysia??!!
With China's title to the Spratly's, why wouldn't they have the traditional 12 nautical mile radius around them. Why have US ships remained outside that radius?
China and Taiwan agreed years ago on this.
Building was for the most part halted with the agreement made some time ago.
China also thru that agreement out the door along with all claimants discussing a solution.
They are making a Territory claim on other countries territory.
Then China goes on a massive building spree, and claiming all of the disputed Islands.
Do they have legal claims to some, yes, all of them, no.
Who's defining "legally" here. If you have any knowledge about how the US came into possession of Hawaii, I'd like you to explain to me how it merits your definition of legal?
How in the world can it be "other countries territory" when the islands are DISPUTED??
Why would they poke China in their face.
The US position is for all parties to jointly negotiate a settlement.
Look at the areas claimed by China.
They cannot be all China's.
Not on topic now is it.
Note I used a ? mark.
Or are you stating that China has the right of military might to take what they want?
Is that what you are implying?
What 'massive' Chinese build up could there possibly be on islands with an area of a few hundred hectares ? By far the largest island in the group is less than a mile long and a quarter mile wide so they are not going to be docking supercarriers there any time soon nor launching any invasions of its neighbours. What has been massive though is the US overreaction given the recent movement of the USS Ronald Reagan battle group into the far east
Come on Jack I cannot believe you are that naieve. They knew exactly what they were doing and why they were there and I know you do too
Why ? What is it of such great strategic importance for the US on this tiny archipeligo, and don't blather on about that freedom of the seas/piracy BS because that doesn't wash. China has not threatened to close any sea lanes and does have the strongest historic claim here.
Right. So you don't even know, but they just "cannot be all China's".!!!
A country that possesses land acquisitions in this manner, have no legitimacy in criticizing others.
By the time the United States got serious about looking beyond its own borders to conquer new lands, much of the world had already been claimed. Only a few distant territories in Africa and Asia and remote islands in the Pacific remained free from imperial grasp. Hawaii was one such plum. Led by a hereditary monarch, the inhabitants of the kingdom prevailed as an independent state. American expansionists looked with greed on the strategically located islands and waited patiently to plan their move.
Foothold in Hawaii
Hawaiian Annexation [ushistory.org]
Right. So you don't even know, but they just "cannot be all China's".!!!
And you know they are?
And you know they are?
Yes. Surely by now that's clear.
Then Chinese claims, the U Shape dotted line is legal according to you?Yes. Surely by now that's clear.
b) The Far Eastern Economic Review (Hong Kong) carried an article on Dec. 31 of 1973 which quotes the British High Commissioner to Singapore as having said in 1970: "Spratly Island (Nanwei Island in Chinese) was a Chinese dependency, part of Kwangtung Province… and was returned to China after the war. We can not find any indication of its having been acquired by any other country and so can only conclude it is still held by communist China."
b) Yearbook of the World published in Japan in 1972 says that Chinese territory includes not only the mainland, but also Hainan Island, Taiwan, Penghu Islands as well as the Dongsha, Xisha, Zhongsha and Nansha Islands on the South China Sea.
a) Columbia Lippincott World Toponymic Dictionary published in the United States in 1961 states that the Nansha Islands on the South China Sea are part of Guangdong Province and belong to China.
b) The Worldmark Encyclopaedia of the Nations published in the United States in 1963 says that the islands of the People's Republic extend southward to include those isles and coral reefs on the South China Sea at the north latitude 4°.
c) World Administrative Divisions Encyclopaedia published in 1971 says that the People's Republic has a number of archipelagoes, including Hainan Island near the South China Sea, which is the largest, and a few others on the South China Sea extending to as far as the north latitude 4°, such as the Dongsha, Xisha, Zhongsha and Nansha Islands.
Ancient history. Would you state that same if China attempts to recover territory lost to Russia and their is the India problem?
China To Engage In 'Six Inevitable Wars' Involving U.S., Japan, India And More, According To Pro-Government Chinese Newspaper
Then Chinese claims, the U Shape dotted line is legal according to you?
I offered that up to demonstrate the blatant hypocrisy in the US position taken against China regarding the Spratly islands.
How does that address the five pieces of evidence bolstering China's claims in the quote, speak to them please!
Chinese financial leverage over the US is a myth. I'd be delighted if they tried something like that but they won't, because they know they've got nothing. As for "the other way around," the US aircraft was flying in international air space and the Chinese threats (eight, IIRC) were recorded.
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