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You said it, so you were wrong.No, I am saying that being qualified with the proper degrees and certifications makes one a better teacher than those that are not qualified with the proper degrees and certifications.
Except you completly ignored why your post is really dumb. And just made a dumb unorginal attack back.If you mean can I come up with a comment dumber than yours, the answer is no.
No, I am saying that being qualified with the proper degrees and certifications makes one a better teacher than those that are not qualified with the proper degrees and certifications.
You said it, so you were wrong.
Again, why is it so extreme getting a 4.5% wage increase for 5 years with a strong union. When Chicago teacher unions demanded 30% wage rise over one year. You are not thinking before you write. You are just making cheap attacks, or demanding proof for everything because you are completely incapable of defending your points.
Sorry but I disagree with this. There are plenty of home schooled children that do just as well, if not better than public school children scholastically speaking. And those parents don't have a teaching degree. Hell, I'm a better teacher than my sons first grade teacher. She just tried to get him to learn reading by rote instead of actually figuring out how to sound out the words. I know this because I spent a day with him in his class watching how he was doing and how the teacher was teaching.
What kind of logic? That you were wrong, even if you may like to change what you meant afterwards. Also, your change didn't make your statement correct.Typical Camlon logic.
I was a little wrong. It is over two years. Still, significantly more than 4.5%.I have not heard of a Chicago teacher union demanding a 30% wage rise over one year. Got a link?
I was a little wrong. It is over two years. Still, significantly more than 4.5%.
Blog: Chicago teachers union demanding 30% pay increase over two years
Just take a look at the links in the article. You gave me a liberal source, and expected me to read it. You should be able to stand a conservative source.Do you have a source that is not a conservative blog, or did this not make the real news?
Just take a look at the links in the article. You gave me a liberal source, and expected me to read it. You should be able to stand a conservative source.
Also, when are you going to admit you were wrong. Or are you just going to pretend you never said it?
Everybody has opinions. Thanks for sharing yours.
1. In 1997, a study of 5,402 homeschool students from 1,657 families was released. It was entitled, "Strengths of Their Own: Home Schoolers Across America." The study demonstrated that homeschoolers, on the average, out-performed their counterparts in the public schools by 30 to 37 percentile points in all subjects. A significant finding when analyzing the data for 8th graders was the evidence that homeschoolers who are homeschooled two or more years score substantially higher than students who have been homeschooled one year or less. The new homeschoolers were scoring on the average in the 59th percentile compared to students homeschooled the last two or more years who scored between 86th and 92nd percentile.
This was confirmed in another study by Dr. Lawrence Rudner of 20,760 homeschooled students which found the homeschoolers who have homeschooled all their school aged years had the highest academic achievement. This was especially apparent in the higher grades. ii This is a good encouragement to families catch the long-range vision and homeschool through high school.
Some colleges search for homeschooled students, citing that homeschoolers tend to outperform many of their peers. The child that is homeschooled tends to have about a 3.46 GPA, or a B average, while the majority of publically educated students fall roughly at 2.54, which is a C average. Homeschooling statistics consistently reveal that homeschooled college students rate 15-30% higher than their cohorts.
This isn't an opinion actually. This is fact.
Academic Statistics on Homeschooling
Homeschooling Statistics Prove Homeschooling on the Rise
Also, the bit about my sons teacher...that is not opinion either. That is fact. Granted it's ancedotal and will no doubt be disgarded. But it is fact none the less.
And this proves what?
See the studies above I just referenced. Home schoolers, like private schools, do not have to accept every child in the nation, regardless of handicap, disability or socio-economic background.
If Public school teachers only had to teach their own children they would have better results than those without teaching credentials.
"A University of Illinois study, published in the American Journal of Education, found that public school students scored just as well in math as students attending private schools, when you compared students of similar ethnic and economic backgrounds. The study followed earlier research that showed public school students scored slightly better (though within the margin of error) than private school students in the same income and ethnic demographic.
They are also demanding significant reductions in class sizes which means less students to handle, and hence lower wage. Also, the reason they are increasing the workday is to get them in line with other teachers around the country. Hence, the expectations from the teacher union is crazy.The Chicago Tribune says the 24% increase proposed by the teachers union there is to cover the expanded teaching day proposed by the City. It also notes that negotiations are ongoing so nothing has been decided at this point.
That all teachers who have a degree and a certificate, are good teachers. That is incorrect, and I am still waiting for you to admit you were wrong. Is it difficult for you to admit you were wrong?And what am I supposed to admit to being wrong about?
Wish we had a "moving goal posts" emote. Because it would be perfect right here.
Adjusting for ethnic and social background is BS anyway.
As public schools in rich areas are going to be good schools, and public schools in poor areas are going to be bad schools. And most public schools are in bad areas. However, private schools in bad areas doesn't exist because poor people can not afford tuition fees.
To say it another way, there are a lot more good private schools than public schools.
They are also demanding significant reductions in class sizes which means less students to handle, and hence lower wage. Also, the reason they are increasing the workday is to get them in line with other teachers around the country. Hence, the expectations from the teacher union is crazy.
But that is beyond the point. The point is, it is not unreasonable to expect a strong teacher union to get wage increases of 4.5% per year.
That all teachers who have a degree and a certificate, are good teachers.
Now you don't want to adjust for socio-economic conditions. Also, charter schools are not the same as private schools, and I am a little bit skeptical of the test. However, I am not planning to make this a debate about charter schools.You just refuted that with your very own next two sentences.
Once again the data refutes your opinion, as I documented above:
"A Stanford University study found that students at charter schools were more likely to score worse than public schools students than they were to outperform those students - 37% percent of charter schools did worse than comparable public schools, while only 17% did better. The rest, 46%, scored the same."
So, 4.5% would be ideal. But seeing teacher compensation for some teachers increase from 120K to 150K in five years is wild imagination. I have feeling you may struggle a little with maths, and memory.I agree that would be ideal, but that depends on the negotiations.
No, you didn't. You said all teachers who have a degree are good teachers. And please don't ask me to show you where you said it again. One time is enough.I never said that, and those few bad apples need to be weeded out. What I said was that a properly qualified teacher with the necessary degrees and certifications was better than a teacher without the necessary degrees and certifications.
Adjusting for social economic conditions is often BS.
As public schools in rich areas are going to be good schools, and public schools in poor areas are going to be bad schools. And most public schools are in bad areas. However, private schools in bad areas doesn't exist because poor people can not afford tuition fees.
The point that I have been making has not been a political point like the one you are trying to make. I am just stating a fact, that private schools teachers tend to be better than public schools teachers.
Lets just take it back a step. Different societies split up the proceeds of people's labors differently.
Wow! Imagine that. Allowing the owners of a company to direct it. Oh the humanity!You have requirements that the board of directors be elected exclusively by the owners instead of some seats going to the employees
generally speaking, when you are fighting the government over rights, you are demanding they do not violate those rights.
we possess tons and tons of rights ... rights the government does not always deem fit to recognize or protect... but hteir recognition or protection in no way diminishes the fact that we possess them.
stop lying-I never made that claim.
How many rich people do you want to kill and take their wealth in order to slake your feelings of being treated unfairly by the "system"?
No it doesn't.Thanks for your opinion which disagrees with your earlier opinion:
Here it is obvious you do not understand my point. You first agree with my point that schools in rich areas are better than schools in poor areas. And you have agreed with me that most private schools are in good areas.Dude, you just described there in your own words the effect of socio-economic conditions, and very well I might add. And of course there are hundreds of studies that show the same thing.
The facts show they are less qualified, and when scores are analyzed with comparable students they mostly do worse. And I've posted a reference to the Stanford Study that proves it.
The rich and the working class both deserve to keep all of their money.Why do the rich deserve to keep more of their money than the working class?
Private schools are better than public schools.
Is this a rule?
Does it always hold true?
Does it hold true for all children?
Does it hold true for all types of private schools over all types of public schools?
Does this hold true in all areas of education regardless of subject matter?
I would love to see the data providing the answers to these questions.
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