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Barack Obama: The great jobs killer

Reagan inherited a mess too... remember Stagflation... and managed a way to change America's fortunes when the world was writing us off.

He believed we could do it if government got out of the way and off our backs. Simple American Principles. We don't hear that kind of talk from the current office holder, and we do not see the kind of legislation proven to motivate men to action.

That way was lower taxes, eliminating price controls and red tape.
Similar to the recipe proferred by JFK.

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the funny thing about the Reagan lovers is that they always whitewash his legacy and overlook the fact that under Reagan we saw a huge shrinking of the middle class due to his huge tax cuts for the wealthy that resulted in the largest redistribution of wealth from the middle class to the wealthy in the history of this country.
Under Reagan, the prosperity of the 50's and 60's where people were able to buy their own home and raise a family on one salary disappeared. After Reagan, two income homes and latchkey kids became a reality. Republicans that love to talk about "family values" should remember that Reagan did more to see the destruction of the family unit than gay marriage ever will.
 
I agree with Randel, if you think our current recession along with all its bed partners were "think-tanked" and created within the last 10 months by Obama and a panel of "Goony Liberals", then i have intelligence that Iraq has "Weapons of Mass Destruction"....Listen, politics is a very slow crawling snail of a machine and nothing happens without a decade old ripple making it move. I think you need to go back and revisit "Reagonomics" to answer this question. Deregulation and flat out no regulation, financial kick backs, bi-partisan power struggles....to name a few...Obama? He's guilty by association, right? You can't order a burger in 10 months on Capitol Hill...so how can we naively think Obama is single handedly responsible for any of this?
 
seems the author forgets something...obama inherited this mess.

Inherited it, then multiplied it by a 100 with every single decision he's made.
 
the funny thing about the Reagan lovers is that they always whitewash his legacy and overlook the fact that under Reagan we saw a huge shrinking of the middle class due to his huge tax cuts for the wealthy that resulted in the largest redistribution of wealth from the middle class to the wealthy in the history of this country.
Under Reagan, the prosperity of the 50's and 60's where people were able to buy their own home and raise a family on one salary disappeared. After Reagan, two income homes and latchkey kids became a reality. Republicans that love to talk about "family values" should remember that Reagan did more to see the destruction of the family unit than gay marriage ever will.

Apparently you missed the whole Jimmy Carter thing. Jimmy castrated us militarily, economically, socially, and every other way. Home mortgage rates were almost 20 percent after Carter left. We were Iran's bitch for two years. He had us convinced we were down to our last few barrels of oil. We were driving 55 mph for gawd's sake.

Reagan performed miracles to get us back to being America once again.
 
Apparently you missed the whole Jimmy Carter thing. Jimmy castrated us militarily, economically, socially, and every other way. Home mortgage rates were almost 20 percent after Carter left. We were Iran's bitch for two years. He had us convinced we were down to our last few barrels of oil. We were driving 55 mph for gawd's sake.

Reagan performed miracles to get us back to being America once again.

Reagan spent money like a drunken sailor, if that is a miracle, Obama is a god
 
the funny thing about the Reagan lovers is that they always whitewash his legacy and overlook the fact that under Reagan we saw a huge shrinking of the middle class due to his huge tax cuts for the wealthy that resulted in the largest redistribution of wealth from the middle class to the wealthy in the history of this country.

:lol: well, on the one hand you are correct that the middle class shrunk somewhat during the Reagan administration.

buuuuut you seem to have missed that most of those people appear to have moved into the ranks of the wealthy.

Income Growth During the 1980s

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Under Reagan, the prosperity of the 50's and 60's where people were able to buy their own home and raise a family on one salary disappeared.

what? no, under Reagan more women became able to work due to expanding economic opportunity.

families can still purchase a home and raise a family on one salary - heck, that's what i'm doing now; on a sub-average income.
 
:lol: well, on the one hand you are correct that the middle class shrunk somewhat during the Reagan administration.

buuuuut you seem to have missed that most of those people appear to have moved into the ranks of the wealthy.

Income Growth During the 1980s

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what? no, under Reagan more women became able to work due to expanding economic opportunity.

families can still purchase a home and raise a family on one salary - heck, that's what i'm doing now; on a sub-average income.

As always you ignore the massive Keynsian economic stimulus during the Reagan admin as the main cause of the economic growth during his admin
 
seems the author forgets something...obama inherited this mess.

Shocking...excuses for the great orator...the failed community organizer that has no clue how to govern but hey...at least he is a clean well spoken black man...

You know...if your store is struggling you dont hire a new manager and then make ecuses for the new guy because well...hey...the other guy had problems too. The REASON why you hire the new guy is to right the ship, turn it around, fix the problem. If Obama didnt know what the job entailed, maybe he shouldnt have applied.
 
Little tax cuts do not help. Who is going to hire with the threat of capital gains taxes and cap and tax. The threat of Bush tax cuts expiring does not help business confidence

The Healthcare bill isn't helping either. Businesses aren't going to hire in this kind of atmosphere of not knowing what's coming down the road.
 
You mean he allowed the democrat majority to spend like drunken sailors

So then Reagan did nothing of value and all the good things and bad thing during his admin was due to the Democrats?
 
The govt. does give private sector incentives for alternative energy. Rebates for Solar Panels, Wind Turbines, Pellet Stoves:

Obama proposes $3,000 home energy rebates | Reuters

Obama's answer to everything is more spending. Stop with the rebates already. All the Cash for Clunkers did was get people to buy new cars earlier than they planned. Of course they are going to take free money if it's dangled under their noses. The same with the first time home buyer credits. Let the free market work and stop using tax payer dollars for stupid crap like this.
 
I disagree. They have had periods like under Bush where they lost focus but are showing now they do not want to increase the debt

You can disagree all you want, the facts say otherwise. Republiacns and Democrats are the same, just different on what they spend on.
 
As always you ignore the massive Keynsian economic stimulus during the Reagan admin as the main cause of the economic growth during his admin

as always you continue to pretend like that had anything to do with the prosperity of the Reagan years or (for example) our quick recovery from the crash of 1987; when Reagan famously did nothing.


over Reagan's entire 8 years he added 2.1 trillion (in today's dollars) to the debt. that was the devils' bargain he had to make with Congressional Democrats and the left-leaning members of his own party; he would allow entitlements and social spending to continue to grow if they let him rebuild the military to face down the Soviet Union.

2.1 trillion in 8 years comes out to about 262 Bn a year (again, todays dollars). or, roughly 1/5th of what our current deficit is.

by your logic, we should be rolling in the riches.
 
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You can disagree all you want, the facts say otherwise. Republiacns and Democrats are the same, just different on what they spend on.

Yet the closest thing to a balanced budget happened when tne GOP had the majority under Clinton
 
Yet the closest thing to a balanced budget happened when tne GOP had the majority under Clinton

It also happened when BOTH sides worked with each other and not against each other.

You act as though there were NO dems during this period.

Sad that you are a GOP apologist and seek to just demonize one side instead of realizing the faults of both.
 
seems the author forgets something...obama inherited this mess.

And the annoying fact that no industrialized country in the first world in the past century ever dealt with a massive financial crisis well.

Amusingly, the one way to actually get around the liquidity is direct government loaning to individuals and businesses in place of banks. We actually have to go full on Socialist banking.
 
by your logic, we should be rolling in the riches.

Hey Cpwill, want to take a shot at why a financial crisis is different then a commodity or demand crisis?

Know why Bush's tactic didn't work? Hint: has to do with the weapon applied to the animal.
Want to know why Obama following much of the same tactics failed to get results? Hint: has to do with the weapon applied to the animal.

Or are you just going to argue like many of the ignorant here that they are all the same?
 
seems the author forgets something...obama inherited this mess.

Of course he did, didn't matter that Democrats controlled the Congress from January 2007 and we all know that we pay those high Congressional salaries to people who do nothing. Congress, the legislative branch has no influence on the economy because we elect an almighty King that controls everything. Do you realize how foolish you sound?

You still believe what Obama tells you, why? Obama told us that if we passed the stimulus plan unemployment would not exceed 8%. That was a lie. Obama told us that he inherited the deficit, since deficits are yearly and he took office in January of fiscal year 2009 he inherited nothing but instead created most of it and has added on another 1 trillion this year with three months to go in fiscal year 2010.

Keep buying the Obama rhetoric because that is all you and others have. This thread is about Obama the jobs killer and here are the facts to prove it. These numbers come from the Bureau of Labor Statistics and show both the total number of unemployed by month and the total number of discouraged workers that have dropped out of the labor market which are also unemployed. Add the two numbers together to get the total unemployment. that is the definition of a job killer and Obama spent over a trillion dollars to get these numbers.

This is what the public sees which contradicts what Obama says. That is why Obama poll numbers are dropping.

Year Jan Feb Mar Apr May Jun Jul Aug Sep Oct Nov Dec
2000 5708 5858 5733 5481 5758 5651 5747 5853 5625 5534 5639 5634
2001 6023 6089 6141 6271 6226 6484 6583 7042 7142 7694 8003 8258
2002 8182 8215 8304 8599 8399 8393 8390 8304 8251 8307 8520 8640
2003 8520 8618 8588 8842 8957 9266 9011 8896 8921 8732 8576 8317
2004 8370 8167 8491 8170 8212 8286 8136 7990 7927 8061 7932 7934
2005 7784 7980 7737 7672 7651 7524 7406 7345 7553 7453 7566 7279
2006 7059 7185 7075 7122 6977 6998 7154 7097 6853 6728 6883 6784
2007 7085 6898 6725 6845 6765 6966 7113 7096 7200 7273 7284 7696
2008 7628 7435 7793 7631 8397 8560 8895 9509 9569 10172 10617 11400
2009 11919 12714 13310 13816 14518 14721 14534 14993 15159 15612 15340 15267
2010 14837 14871 15005 15260 14973 14623


Discouraged workers

Year Jan Feb Mar Apr May Jun Jul Aug Sep Oct Nov Dec Annual
2000 236 267 258 331 280 309 266 203 253 232 236 269 262
2001 301 287 349 349 328 294 310 337 285 331 328 348 321
2002 328 375 330 320 414 342 405 378 392 359 385 403 369
2003 449 450 474 437 482 478 470 503 388 462 457 433 457
2004 432 484 514 492 476 478 504 534 412 429 392 442 466
2005 515 485 480 393 392 476 499 384 362 392 404 451 436
2006 396 386 451 381 323 481 428 448 325 331 349 274 381
2007 442 375 381 399 368 401 367 392 276 320 349 363 369
2008 467 396 401 412 400 420 461 381 467 484 608 642 462
2009 734 731 685 740 792 793 796 758 706 808 861 929 778
2010 1065 1204 994 1197 1083 1207
 
It also happened when BOTH sides worked with each other and not against each other.

You act as though there were NO dems during this period.

Sad that you are a GOP apologist and seek to just demonize one side instead of realizing the faults of both.

Nice try but why is it Obama campaigned on reaching out to the GOP but he bad mouths them and shuts them out of meetings.. All the GOP wants is pay go to be used. The dems passed it now it means nothing
 
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