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Barack Obama must also answer questions over the Lockerbie bomber's release

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Barack Obama must also answer questions over the Lockerbie bomber's release – Telegraph Blogs

Quote(The Lockerbie scandal has just become even murkier. According to a Sunday Times report yesterday “the US government secretly advised Scottish ministers that it would be “far preferable” to free the Lockerbie bomber than jail him in Libya.”

The newspaper obtained a leaked document which reveals that Richard LeBaron, deputy head of the US embassy in London, had written to Alex Salmond, Scottish First Minister, ahead of the release of the Lockerbie bomber. The correspondence indicates that the Obama administration’s opposition to the “compassionate” release of the Lockerbie bomber may not have been as clear-cut as it has subsequently claimed. In the August 12, 2009 letter, the senior US official appeared to condone “a conditional release on compassionate grounds” of convicted Libyan intelligence agent Abdelbaset al-Megrahi, if Scottish officials were determined to proceed with the release of al-Megrahi against the wishes of Washington. As The Sunday Times revealed:

The note added: “Nevertheless, if Scottish authorities come to the conclusion that Megrahi must be released from Scottish custody, the US position is that conditional release on compassionate grounds would be a far preferable alternative to prisoner transfer, which we strongly oppose.” LeBaron added that freeing the bomber and making him live in Scotland “would mitigate a number of the strong concerns we have expressed with regard to Megrahi’s release”.)

The longer this story goes on without some form of an explanation from either Obama or one of his many apologists the murkier things will get.

Quote(As the piece points out, this clearly contradicts President Obama’s assertion at his joint White House press conference last week with the British Prime Minister that “all of us here in the United States were surprised, disappointed and angry” upon learning of Megrahi’s release. Here is what Barack Obama said when he appeared alongside David Cameron on July 20:

I think all of us here in the United States were surprised, disappointed, and angry about the release of the Lockerbie bomber. And my administration expressed very clearly our objections prior to the decision being made and subsequent to the decision being made. So we welcome any additional information that will give us insights and a better understanding of why the decision was made.
This latest revelation in the Lockerbie debacle should not diminish the responsibility of Scottish authorities in the disgraceful release of a mass-murdering terrorist who killed 270 people. Nor should it alleviate the pressure on the Coalition government to hold a full inquiry into the role of British government officials in the bomber’s release. But it does raise serious questions over the Obama administration’s own role in the Lockerbie matter, and whether it did all in its power to try to prevent the release of a terrorist responsible for the killing of 189 Americans.??

At some point valid questions will need to be answered.

I have to add that the Newspaper that printed this is a well respected British newspaper.
 

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I am concerned with the lnaguage of the writer. ". . . or one of his apologists." A clear POV here.

Let me ask, is there good reason to not want him transfered to Libya?
 

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I am concerned with the lnaguage of the writer. ". . . or one of his apologists." A clear POV here.

Let me ask, is there good reason to not want him transfered to Libya?
I can only assume that had he been transferred to 'serve' his sentence in Libya that it would have been unlikely that that sentence would have been in any Penal Institution.
By POV do you mean Point of View?
If so then yes it is my opinion that when anything that is the responsibility of the W.H. does eeventually emerge, it is or has thus far been someone elses fault.
We obviously do not have a President who in spite of stating 'The buck stops here' has never had any intention of accepting responsibility for any news that casts his 'reign' in anything but glowing terms.
 

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I can only assume that had he been transferred to 'serve' his sentence in Libya that it would have been unlikely that that sentence would have been in any Penal Institution.
By POV do you mean Point of View?
If so then yes it is my opinion that when anything that is the responsibility of the W.H. does eeventually emerge, it is or has thus far been someone elses fault.
We obviously do not have a President who in spite of stating 'The buck stops here' has never had any intention of accepting responsibility for any news that casts his 'reign' in anything but glowing terms.
You made a bit of a leap here. POV does mean point of view. In this case, the pov of the writer. And your opinion aside, reporting would exclude opinion. The question I ask is a valid one. And you really didn't answer it.
 

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The thread is fatally flawed from the get go...Obama 'must' not answer for anything.
 

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The thread is fatally flawed from the get go...Obama 'must' not answer for anything.
I probably with hindsight agree.
Perhaps what might have been said was that, Obama is incapable of accepting responsibility for the words, deeds of himself and or his underlings.
 
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Is there good reason to not want him transfered to Libya? If you don't answer this, you're just participating in partisan hackery.
 

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Is there good reason to not want him transfered to Libya? If you don't answer this, you're just participating in partisan hackery.
Are you really asking if the person convicted for killing over 100 Americans, mostly college kids should have been freed???
 

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It comes as no surprise the partisan writer from the conservative Heritage Foundation left out some facts.
EMBASSY OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA
LONDON

August 12, 2009


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-- The United States is not prepared to support Megrahi's release on compassionate release or bail. We understand that Scottish authorities are ensuring that Megrahi receives quality medical treatment, including palliative care, while incarcerated. The United States maintains its view that in light of the scope of Megrahi's crime, its heinous nature, and its continued and devastating impact on the victims and their families, it would be most appropriate for Megrahi to remain imprisoned for the entirety of his sentence. This was the understanding and expectation at the time arrangements were made for his trial in Scottish Court in the Netherlands, were he or his confederate to be convicted and their appeals upheld.

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http://www.state.gov/r/pa/prs/ps/2010/07/145142.htm
 

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Are you really asking if the person convicted for killing over 100 Americans, mostly college kids should have been freed???
No, and no one here was arguing he should be freed. Instead, there was a lessor of two evils being discussed. There was a reason they did not want him returned to Lybia no matter what. The question is why? If you don't ask that question, you're not being honest with this issue.
 

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No, and no one here was arguing he should be freed. Instead, there was a lessor of two evils being discussed. There was a reason they did not want him returned to Lybia no matter what. The question is why? If you don't ask that question, you're not being honest with this issue.
I must be missing something on this one. Put politics aside, shouldn't Americans want this piece of cr** in jail for the rest of his life?
 

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I must be missing something on this one. Put politics aside, shouldn't Americans want this piece of cr** in jail for the rest of his life?
Damn, does anyone read or pay attention to anything. We wanted him imprisoned for life. That was clearly stated by us. The only part after that was IF you are going to do something, he cannot go back to Lybia. The question is why was not going back to Lybia so important. I suggest there was likely a very good reason. This piece of crap was an ex Lybian intelligence office.

So, put down the "I hate Obama" stuff and ask reasonable questions.
 

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Damn, does anyone read or pay attention to anything. We wanted him imprisoned for life. That was clearly stated by us. The only part after that was IF you are going to do something, he cannot go back to Lybia. The question is why was not going back to Lybia so important. I suggest there was likely a very good reason. This piece of crap was an ex Lybian intelligence office.

So, put down the "I hate Obama" stuff and ask reasonable questions.
I could less about Obama on this issue as I stated above. So put your rants aside please.

This piece of junk should not have been sent to Libya there because they treat him like a rock star not the criminal he is. There was no reason to let him out of jail, period.

Hope this is clear!
 

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I could less about Obama on this issue as I stated above. So put your rants aside please.

This piece of junk should not have been sent to Libya there because they treat him like a rock star not the criminal he is. There was no reason to let him out of jail, period.

Hope this is clear!
Clear, but nothing Obama and his people didn't say. Realize we didn't hold him. They were going to send him to Lybia. Anyone commenting must have the factual information correct.
 

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Is there good reason to not want him transfered to Libya? If you don't answer this, you're just participating in partisan hackery.
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Monetti, Richard Paul, student, 20 years, born 11.09.68, Cherry Hill, New Jersey, American, seat number 20E

Morgan, Jane Ann, attorney, 37 years, born 19.03.51, London, England, American, seat number 42A

Morson, Eva Ingeborg, 48 years, born 29.04.40, New, York, New York, American, seat number 19G

Mosey, Helga Rachael, student, 19 years, born 21.09.69, West Midlands, England, British, seat number 22K

Mulroy, Ingrid Elizabeth, 25 years, born 22.04.63, Lund, Sweden, Swedish, seat number 34J

Mulroy, John, journalist, 59 years, born 01.04.29, East Northport, New York, American, seat number 34G

Mulroy, Sean Kevin, 25 years, born 03.05.63, Lund, Sweden, American, seat number 34H

Noonan, Karen Elizabeth, student, 20 years, born 26.12.67, Potomac, Maryland, American, seat number 20A

O'Connor, Daniel Emmett, U.S. diplomatic service, 31 years, born 22.09.57, Dorchester, Massachusetts, American, seat number 25H

O'Neil, Mary Denice, student, 2l years, born 02.04.67, Bronx, New York, American, seat number 38K

Otenasek, Anne Lindsey, student, 21 years, born 31.01.67, Baltimore, Maryland, American, seat number 45K

Owen, Bryony Elise, 1 year, born 29.04.87, Bristol, England, British, seat number 19D

Owen, Gwyneth Yvonne Margaret, student, 29 years, born 03.05.59, Bristol, England, British, seat number 19D

Owens, Laura Abigail, 8 years, born 01.01.80, Cherry Hill, New Jersey, American, seat number 35K

Owens, Martha, 44 years, born 02.06.44, Cherry Hill, New Jersey, American, seat number 35H

Owens, Robert Plack, 45 years, born 05.03.43, Cherry Hill, New Jersey, American, seat number 35G

Owens, Sarah Rebecca, 14 years, born 09.12.74, Cherry Hill, New Jersey, American, seat number 35J

Pagnucco, Robert Italo, attorney, 51 years, born 20.10.37, South Salem, New York, American, seat number 4A

Papadopoulos, Christos Michael, 45 years, born 11.11.43, North Lawrence, New York, American, seat number 17A

Peirce, Peter Raymond, architect and student, 40 years, born 28.09.48, Perrysburg, Ohio, American, seat number 47G

Pescatore, Michael, businessman, 33 years, born 06.09.55, Solon, Ohio, American, seat number 17J

Philipps, Sarah Susannah Buchanan, student, 20 years, born 15.08.68, Newtonville, Massachusetts, American, seat number 49C

Phillips, Frederick Sandford, student, 27 years, born 08.05.61, Little Rock, Arkansas, American, seat number 21F

Pitt, James Andrew Campbell, student, 24 years, born 06.11.64, South Hadley, Massachusetts, American, seat number 29K

Platt, David, architect, 33 years, born 13.12.55, Staten Island, New York, American, seat number 8A

Porter, Walter Leonard, musician, 35 years, born 10.03.53, Brooklyn, New York, American, seat number 25C

Posen, Pamela Lynn, student, 20 years, born 30.01.68, Harrison, New York, American, seat number 26K

Pugh, William, businessman, 56 years, born 29.02.32, Margate, New Jersey, American, seat number 21D

Quiguyan, Crisostomo Estrella, hotel cashier, 43 years, born 16.03.45, London, England, Filipino, seat number 30A

Ramses, Rajesh Tarsis Priskel, 35 years, born 26.05.53, Leicester, England, Indian, seat number 22A

Rattan, Anmol, 2 years, born 24.09.86, Warren, Michigan. American, seat number 24C

Rattan, Garima, computer programmer, 29 years, born 15.07.59, Warren, Michigan, American, seat number 23D
 

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Rattan, Suruchi, 3 years, born 20.06.85, Warren, Michigan. American, seat number 23E

Reeves, Anita Lynn, 24 years, born 03.09.64, Laurel, Maryland, American, seat number 45D

Rein, Mark Alan, businessman, 44 years, born 12.02.44, New York, New York, American, seat number 2A

Rencevicz, Diane Marie, student, 21 years, born 13.07.67, Burlington, New Jersey, American, seat number 29G

Rogers, Louise Ann, student, 20 years, born 13.02.67, Olney, Maryland, American, seat number 29D

Roller, Edina, 5 years, born 24.11.83, Hungary, Hungarian, seat number 26D

Roller, Janos Gabor, 29 years, born 26.03.59, Hungary, Hungarian, seat number 26E

Roller, Zsuzsana, 27 years, born 21.12.61, Hungary, Hungarian, seat number 26G

Root, Hanne Maria, management consultant, 26 years, born 15.12.62, Toronto, Canada, Canadian, seat number 34K

Rosen, Saul Mark, businessman, 35 years, born 24.11.53, Morris Plains, New Jersey, American, seat number 32A

Rosenthal, Andrea Victoria, student, 22 years, born 05.02.66, New York, New York, American, seat number 35D

Rosenthal, Daniel Peter, student, 20 years, born 02.06.68, Staten Island, New York, American, seat number 21J

Rubin, Arnaud David, 28 years, born 18.05.60, Waterloo, Belgium, Belgian, seat number 39G

Saraceni, Elyse Jeanne, student, 20 years, born 01.06.68, East London, England, American, seat number 36D

Saunders, Scott Christopher, student, 21 years, born 20.05.67, Macungie, Pennsylvania, American, seat number 24D

Saunders, Theresa Elizabeth Jane, marketing, 28 years, born 24.10.60, Sunbury-on-Thames, England, British, seat number 14F

Schauble, Johannes Otto, 41 years, born 08.08.47, Kappellenweg, Germany, German, seat number 49K

Schlageter, Robert Thomas, student, 20 years, born 12.08.68, Warwick, Rhode Island American, seat number 28G

Schultz, Thomas Britton, student, 20, years, born 05.01.68, Ridgefield, Connecticut, American, seat number 45C

Scott, Sally Elizabeth, chef, 22 years, born 17.01.66, Huntington, New York, British, seat number 56G

Shapiro, Amy Elizabeth, student, 21 years, born 28.10.67, Stamford, Connecticut, American, seat number 37G

Shastri, Mridula, 24 years, born 12.02.64, Oxford, England, Indian, seat number 24H

Sheanshang, Joan, 46 years, born 16.12.42, New York, New York, American, seat number 41C

Sigal, Irving Stanley, research biologist, 35 years, born 23.05.53, Pennington, New Jersey, American, seat number 13B

Simpson, Martin Bernard Christopher, financier, 52 years, born 25.10.36, Brooklyn, New York, American, seat number 27K

Smith, Cynthia Joan, student, 21 years, born 06.10.67, Milton, Massachusetts, American, seat number 41A

Smith, Ingrid Anita, chiropodist, 31 years, born 12.11.57, Berkshire, England, British, seat number 4H

Smith, James Alvin, 55 years, born 11.03.33, New York, New York, American, seat number 27G

Smith, Mary Edna, army sergeant, 34 years, born 14.07.54, Kalamazoo, Michigan, American, seat number 34A

Stevenson, Geraldine Anne, 37 years, born 31.03.51, Surrey, England, British, seat number 22E

Stevenson, Hannah Louise, 10 years, born 23.09.78, Surrey, England, British, seat number 22F

Stevenson, John Charles, 38 years, born 13.09.50, Surrey, England, British, seat number 22D

Stevenson, Rachael, 8 years, born 01.09.80, Surrey, England, British, seat number 22G

Stinnett, Charlotte Ann, 36 years, born 07.02.52, Duncanville, Texas, American, seat number 19J

Stinnett, Michael Gary, army specialist, 26 years, born 27.05.62, Duncanville, Texas, American, seat number 19H

Stinnett, Stacey Leanne, 9 years, born 30.07.79, Duncanville, Texas, American, seat number 19K

Stow, James Ralph, businessman, 49 years, born 18.07.39, New York, New York, American, seat number 15E

Stratis, Elia G., accountant, 43 years, born 17.06.45, Montvale, New Jersey, American, seat number 1B

Swan, Anthony Selwyn, 29 years, born 15.05.59, Brooklyn, New York, Trinidadian, seat number 41K

Swire, Flora MacDonald Margaret, medical student and researcher, 24 years, born 22.12.64, London, England, British, seat number 39D

Tager, Marc Alex, 22 years, born 03.08.66, London, England, British, seat number 26H

Tanaka, Hidekazu, 26 years, born 13.05.62, London, England, Japanese, seat number 24G

Teran, Andrew Alexander, student, 20 years, born 31.08.68, New Haven, Connecticut, Bolivian, seat number 27D

Thomas, Arva Anthony, student, 17 years, born 26.04.71, Detroit, Michigan, American, seat number 19A

Thomas, Jonathan Ryan, 2 months, born 29.09.88, Southfield, Michigan, American, seat number 32K

Thomas, Lawanda, air force sergeant, 21 years, born 17.02.67, Southfield, Michigan, American, seat number 32K

Tobin, Mark Lawrence, student, 21 years, born 04.04.67, North Hempstead, New York, American, seat number 32G

Trimmer-Smith, David William, publishing executive, 51 years, born 26.04.37, New York, New York, American, seat number 12A

Tsairis, Alexia Kathryn, student, 20 years, born 06.07.68, Franklin Lakes, New Jersey, American, seat number 21G

Valentino, Barry Joseph, exhibit designer, 28 years, born 25.02.60, San Francisco, California, American, seat number 20G

Van-Tienhoven, Thomas Floro, 45 years, born 30.05.43, Buenos Aires, Argentina, Argentinean, seat number 2B

Vejdany, Asaad Eidi, 46 years, born 24.02.42, South Great Neck, New York, American, seat number 20C

Vrenios, Nicholas Andreas, student, 20 years, born 20.08.68, Washington, DC, American, seat number 46E

Vulcu, Peter, stockbroker and student, 21 years, born 01.08.67, Alliance, Ohio, American, seat number 20K

Waido, Janina Jozefa, 61 years, born 19.03.27, Chicago, Illinois, American, seat number 50A

Walker, Thomas Edwin, electronics specialist, 47 years, born 11.12.41, Quincy, Massachusetts, American, seat number 16A

Weedon, Kesha, student, 20 years, born 02.10.68, Bronx, New York, American, seat number 37H

Weston, Jerome Lee, engineer, 45 years, born 11.11.43, Baldwin, New York, American, seat number 10A

White, Jonathan, accountant, 33 years, born 14.07.55, North Hollywood, California, American, seat number 55J

Williams, Bonnie Leigh, military, 21 years, born 12.01.67, Crown Point, New York, American, seat number 46K

Williams, Brittany Leigh, 2 months, born 13.10.88, Crown Point, New York, American, seat number 46J

Williams, Eric Jon, army sergeant, 24 years, born 15.08.64, Crown Point, New York, American, seat number 46J

Williams, George Waterson, army first lieutenant, 24 years, born 17.05.64, Joppa, Maryland, American, seat number 33K

Williams, Stephanie Leigh, 1 year, born 23.05.87, Crown Point, New York, American, seat number 46K

Wolfe, Miriam Luby, student, 20 years, born 26.09.68, Severna Park, Maryland, American, seat number 21K

Woods, Chelsea Marie, 10 months, born 06.02.88, Willingboro, New Jersey, American, seat number 25F

Woods, Dedera Lynn, air force sergeant, 27 years, born 04.02.61, Willingboro, New Jersey, American, seat number 25G

Woods, Joe Nathan, civilian military worker, 28 years, born 05.03.60, Willingboro, New Jersey, American, seat number 25D

Woods, Joe Nathan, Jr., 2 years, born 24.09.86, Willingboro, New Jersey, American, seat number 25E

Wright, Andrew Christopher Gillies, site agent, 24 years, born 02.05.64, Surrey, England, British, seat number 55G

Zwynenburg, Mark James, investment banker, 29 years, born 14.10.59, West Nyack, New York, American, seat number 12B

Lockerbie Residents

Flannigan, Kathleen Mary, 41 years, born 26.01.47, 16 Sherwood Crescent

Flannigan, Thomas Brown, 44 years, born 20.12.44, 16 Sherwood Crescent

Flannigan, Joanne, 10 years, born 13.06.78, 16 Sherwood Crescent

Henry, Dora Henrietta, 56 years, born 27.03.32, 13 Sherwood Crescent

Henry, Maurice Peter, 63 years, born 18.07.25, 13 Sherwood Crescent

Lancaster, Mary, 81 years, born 12.01.07, 11 Sherwood Crescent

Murray, Jean Aitkin, 82 years, born 29.11.06, 14 Sherwood Crescent

Somerville, John, 40 years, born 31.05.48, 15 Sherwood Crescent

Somerville, Rosaleen Later, affectionately know as 'Rosalind', 40 years, born 31.05.48, 15 Sherwood Crescent


Are those enough reasons for you Boo?
 

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For what? You're skipping the question and trying to plauy on emotion as best I can tell. Let me state it again. Obama and the administration did not want this person released. Stated so clearly. However if they were not going to listen us, the next best option was to make sure he did not go back to Lybia.

Damn, read, understand, and respond appropriately.
 

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For what? You're skipping the question and trying to plauy on emotion as best I can tell. Let me state it again. Obama and the administration did not want this person released. Stated so clearly. However if they were not going to listen us, the next best option was to make sure he did not go back to Lybia.

Damn, read, understand, and respond appropriately.
I do understand what you are asking, you would need to ask Obama or his administration why.
What I can tell you is that as a condition for his release, he had to withdraw his application to have his appeal against verdict and sentence in original trial.
From what I have been able to find out, I am told that there was a very good chance that his appeal would have been favorable.
 

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I do understand what you are asking, you would need to ask Obama or his administration why.
What I can tell you is that as a condition for his release, he had to withdraw his application to have his appeal against verdict and sentence in original trial.
From what I have been able to find out, I am told that there was a very good chance that his appeal would have been favorable.
I ask because I suspect there is a very good reason. Now you meantion the chances of his appeal being successful, which is anothe outcome we wouldn't like. Like many of these type ofstories, it really is much ado about nothing.
 

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Way to use dead people to push a political agenda, Crunch.
 

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Way to use dead people to push a political agenda, Crunch.
Political agenda?.... What's political about wanting a piece of scum that killed 270 innocent people to stay in prison until he dies?

If Barry had a hand in sending him back to his home country for a hero’s welcome and a life of luxury, Barry needs to be held accountable….. Do you have a political agenda that opposes that? :confused:
 

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Political agenda?.... What's political about wanting a piece of scum that killed 270 innocent people to stay in prison until he dies?
And publishing the names of the dead accomplishes that exactly how?

If Barry had a hand in sending him back to his home country for a hero’s welcome and a life of luxury, Barry needs to be held accountable….. Do you have a political agenda that opposes that? :confused:
I think you are using this as one more excuse to hate the guy. There isn't one thing objective about your post. (And using "Barry" in reference to the POTUS pretty much proves my point).
 

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And publishing the names of the dead accomplishes that exactly how?
Do you have a problem with the number of innocent people that were killed? Why do you have that problem? Just what is your agenda? (I've asked you that before, please answer)
I think you are using this as one more excuse to hate the guy. There isn't one thing objective about your post. (And using "Barry" in reference to the POTUS pretty much proves my point).
Barry is the last known legal name for Barry Soetoro.... and he has used that name himself within the last year..... what's your problem with the name he uses?

President Barack Obama called in Tuesday to WTOP Radio’s “Ask the Governor” show with Democratic National Committee Chairman/Virginia Gov. Tim Kaine. Obama wanted to congratulate Kaine for his time as governor.


Obama was introduced on the program as “Barry from D.C.," a man who wanted to complain about Northern Virginia traffic.


"Mark Segraves and the governor's staff have been working on this for four months," said WTOP News Director Mike McMearty. "We thought it might happen, and today we got a strong thumbs up from [the White House] and tried to work out the logistics of how it would work."


McMearty says it was Obama's idea to call himself "Barry from D.C."
'Barry from D.C.' dials Kaine on air - PATRICK GAVIN | POLITICO CLICK

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