Barack Obama’s Staggering Incompetence

[Gaugingcatenate]

What?? You posted words????

:lamo :lamo :lamo

You would have a point had Democrats filibustered and Republicans failed to invoke cloture -- but that never happened. Democrats didn't block any of the bills.

As the party in charge, Republicans failed to pass the needed legislation and they are to blame.

Yes, your folks in their own words...it would be funny if it were not so gravely bad and had not done so much damage...good avoidance mechanism you got going there...

That's the best you can do tho, as the dems were behind it all, so I understand your plight.

 

[Gaugingcatenate]

:yawn:

You had your opportunity to show how that Congress, which you eagerly pointed out was when the economy finally collapsed, was somehow responsible.

You couldn't.

So regardless of whom you blame, you can't blame that Congress. Which leaves one questioning why you even bothered to point out that's when the economy collapsed. Personally, I believe you were trying to insinuate they were responsible, but you quickly abandoned that when challenged to prove it; and instead, just tried to blame a whole bunch of other Democrats since you couldn't blame the 110th Congress.

:coffeepap

:applaud:bs


Sure we can blame that congress, they were obstructionist and anybody who lived through that period knows that... as a democrat one often has to close one's eyes... or only listen to mainstream media, they do all the missteps for one... so one doesn't even have to really think and, if one doesn't think, then one can actually believe what they are saying is the truth...

:yt

 

[Fenton]

Of course by 2008 the bill came too late. But then, Democrats didn't run the Congress until 2007. But that
wasn't your question. Your question was what bill did Democrats pass between 1995 and 2008. I gave you the answer.

It's almost amusing though how you complain that it came too late even though it came in the very first Congress Democrats had complete control of in the time frame you inquired about -- meanwhile, you make up ridiculous excuses for why Republicans failed to pass even one bill at any time during the prior 12 years.

Republicans; 12 years = zero bills
Democrats; 1.5 years = one bill.

Fenton ignores 12 years of Republican failure and goes berserk over Democrats' success in 1.5 years. :roll:

Yea right, SB109 passed through Commitee in 2005 with ZERO Democrat votes and a Democrat promise to oppose it and to Fillibuster in the Senate.

Hey, it was sent back through Committee in 2007. The Democrat chaired Commitee never let it through.

When Bush in 2003 offered up a plan to enact strict regulatory control over Fannie and Freddie the Democrats responded with a letter, signed by 72 of them that warned him NOT to impose new regulations on Fannie Mae.

They, through Fannie Mae ran Commercials that explained how the new regulations would stop affordable lending.

They sat in front of Republican Commitees and lied about the health of the GSEs.

Democrats ran Fannie and Freddie, as they were appointed by Clinton.

They ran them into the ground and you cite a law they passed two months before the collapse .

By 2008, Fannie Mae alone held over 67% of ALL sub-prime, alt-a, cra and generally crap loans and the MBSs that were backed by crap loans.

They were the largest single consumer of Toxic MBSs.

Unreal. A Lib will part with any semblance of integrity before admitting he and his ideology are WRONG.

 

[Sheik Yerbuti]

Yes, your folks in their own words...it would be funny if it were not so gravely bad and had not done so much damage...good avoidance mechanism you got going there...

That's the best you can do tho, as the dems were behind it all, so I understand your plight.

Yeah, the best I can do is point out how it was the responsibility of the party in charge to pass legislation they champion; which is far better than you're doing by posting words. Words which did not block any legislation.

 

[Sheik Yerbuti]

Sure we can blame that congress, they were obstructionist and anybody who lived through that period knows that... as a democrat one often has to close one's eyes... or only listen to mainstream media, they do all the missteps for one... so one doesn't even have to really think and, if one doesn't think, then one can actually believe what they are saying is the truth...

They were "obstructionist??" How do you figure that given they passed a reform bill in the House 3 months into their first session and got a bill for the president to sign in their second session; something Republicans failed to do in all their years prior?

It's astounding how you call Democrat leadership who passed a bill, "obstructionist," while at the same time, blame Democrats for Republican leadership who passed no bills.

:roll: :roll: :roll:

 

[Sheik Yerbuti]

Yea right, SB109 passed through Commitee in 2005 with ZERO Democrat votes and a Democrat promise to oppose it and to Fillibuster in the Senate.

Hey, it was sent back through Committee in 2007. The Democrat chaired Commitee never let it through.

When Bush in 2003 offered up a plan to enact strict regulatory control over Fannie and Freddie the Democrats responded with a letter, signed by 72 of them that warned him NOT to impose new regulations on Fannie Mae.

They, through Fannie Mae ran Commercials that explained how the new regulations would stop affordable lending.

They sat in front of Republican Commitees and lied about the health of the GSEs.

Democrats ran Fannie and Freddie, as they were appointed by Clinton.

They ran them into the ground and you cite a law they passed two months before the collapse .

By 2008, Fannie Mae alone held over 67% of ALL sub-prime, alt-a, cra and generally crap loans and the MBSs that were backed by crap loans.

They were the largest single consumer of Toxic MBSs.

Unreal. A Lib will part with any semblance of integrity before admitting he and his ideology are WRONG.

You're right, by 2008 it was too late. By 2007, when Democrats took charge of the Congress, it was too late. That oversight was needed years earlier when Republicans were in charge.

And your lame-assed excuse about how Republican leadership cowered down to the big, bad Democrats because they threatened to filibuster doesn't pass the smile test as Republicans put up 130 bills during the 108th & 109th Congresses even though they faced filibusters. Clearly, Republicans didn't shy away from trying to pass legislation because they feared a filibuster. No, those bills went nowhere because they were crappy bills. The only one to even pass in one of the chambers in Congress was ripped to pieces by Bush; just as the others would have been had they passed a chamber.

Republicans were in charge and they failed miserably.

 

[Fenton]

You're right, by 2008 it was too late.
By 2007, when Democrats took charge of the Congress, it was too late. That oversight was needed years earlier when Republicans were in charge.

And your lame-assed excuse about how Republican leadership cowered down to the big, bad Democrats because they threatened to filibuster doesn't pass the smile test as Republicans put up 130 bills during the 108th & 109th Congresses even though they faced filibusters. Clearly, Republicans didn't shy away from trying to pass legislation because they feared a filibuster. No, those bills went nowhere because they were crappy bills. The only one to even pass in one of the chambers in Congress was ripped to pieces by Bush; just as the others would have been had they passed a chamber.

Republicans were in charge and they failed miserably.

So the Republicans failed to regulate Fannie and Freddie who were staffed by Clinton with Democrats ?

Who were protected from 2001 to 2006 by Democrat Congressmen who are on VIDEO, lying about the health of Fannie and Freddie in Comittees chaired by Republicans ?

And SB109 that didn't make it through a Democrat chaired Commitee in 2007 wasn't as good as the Democrat House Bill that was passed a year later ???

A bill that was passed 2 months prior to the Collapse ??

You make zero sense.

You're so desperately married to a corrupt ideology, a lie, that you've lost all touch with reality.

I mean the Democrats 6 year defense and argument against any new regulatory action on the growing and corrupt Fannie and Freddie is DOCUMENTED, and you still blame the Republicans and cite a bill that was passed to cover their corrupt lying scumbag asses 2 months before the collapse.

Unreal. Well not really its expected from you folks actually.

 

[Gaugingcatenate]

Yeah, the best I can do is point out how it was the responsibility of the party in charge to pass legislation they champion; which is far better than you're doing by posting words. Words which did not block any legislation.

So...as an analogy to what you are saying, you are standing next to a guy on a downtown street...maybe you recognize him from your neighborhood but never hung out with the guy, didn't have the same values and all....and then the guy pulls out a baseball bat and starts wailing away breaking all kinds of windows, smashing everything in the stores and in sight, you do your best to stop him, try to hold him back but you cannot, he is too far gone...so when the police come, they should ignore him and arrest you since you did not stop him...

That is how its supposed to go to you, is it?

 

[Sheik Yerbuti]

So the Republicans failed to regulate Fannie and Freddie who were staffed by Clinton with Democrats ?

Who were protected from 2001 to 2006 by Democrat Congressmen who are on VIDEO, lying about the health of Fannie and Freddie in Comittees chaired by Republicans ?

And SB109 that didn't make it through a Democrat chaired Commitee in 2007 wasn't as good as the Democrat House Bill that was passed a year later ???

A bill that was passed 2 months prior to the Collapse ??

You make zero sense.

You're so desperately married to a corrupt ideology, a lie, that you've lost all touch with reality.

They were not protected. Republicans were in charge of the Congress. All they had to do was pass a bill to add oversight. They wouldn't do it.

SB109? You mean S.190? Even Republicans wouldn't put that to a vote in the full Senate, so who knows why you think Democrats should have, especially since they had one bill of their own that had passed in the House and not long after, another bill introduced by Pelosi that would ultimately make it to Bush to become law.

You can stomp your feet and pound your fists as hard as you can, you will never be able to alter the reality that Republicans, in charge of the House from 1995 until 2007, and the Senate as well except for a year and a half, and they passed nothing. 12 years, no bills. And here you are, criticizing Democrats because it took them a year and a half to pass one.

If a year and a half is too long for you to have a bill pass, I can only imagine your outrage over Republicans passing none in 12 years? Oh, wait, you have no outrage for Republicans, do you? Even though they were in charge, to you, they were the victims. :lamo

I mean the Democrats 6 year defense and argument against any new regulatory action on the growing and corrupt Fannie and Freddie is DOCUMENTED, and you still blame the Republicans and cite a bill that was passed to cover their corrupt lying scumbag asses 2 months before the collapse.

It doesn't matter that Democrats defended the GSE's -- they had no control in the Congress. Despite your desperate nonsense about them threatening to filibuster, they didn't. Republican leadership never put any one of the bills up for a vote. Too bad for them too. Had they, and had Democrats killed even one of the bills with a filibuster, then Democrats would have been to blame. But those bills were crappy bills and Republican leadership wouldn't put them up for a vote. And with 130 filibusters during the 108th and 109th Congress, Republicans clearly didn't shy away from putting bills up for a vote because they feared Democrats my filibuster them. They didn't put them up for a vote because they knew they would fail to protect the system.

Unreal. Well not really its expected from you folks actually.

Right back atcha.

 

[Sheik Yerbuti]

So...as an analogy to what you are saying, you are standing next to a guy on a downtown street...maybe you recognize him from your neighborhood but never hung out with the guy, didn't have the same values and all....and then the guy pulls out a baseball bat and starts wailing away breaking all kinds of windows, smashing everything in the stores and in sight, you do your best to stop him, try to hold him back but you cannot, he is too far gone...so when the police come, they should ignore him and arrest you since you did not stop him...

That is how its supposed to go to you, is it?

That's the dumbest analogy I ever heard. :roll: It bears no resemblance to what happened.

Try this one ... Republicans were in charge of the Congress and in 12 years, passed zero bills to increase oversight of the GSEs.

There, does that clear it up for ya?

 

[Gaugingcatenate]

That's the dumbest analogy I ever heard. :roll: It bears no resemblance to what happened.

Try this one ... Republicans were in charge of the Congress and in 12 years, passed zero bills to increase oversight of the GSEs.

There, does that clear it up for ya?

Did the Democrats help these GSEs or not...intellectual honesty now...credibility on the line here...you blame the ones that didn't stop these two, the Democrats and the GSEs... boy, you know that analogy is sounding even better ...

 

[Sheik Yerbuti]

Did the Democrats help these GSEs or not...intellectual honesty now...credibility on the line here...you blame the ones that didn't stop these two, the Democrats and the GSEs... boy, you know that analogy is sounding even better ...

My credibility is not on the line, but yours is completely shot. Of course Democrats (between 2002 and 2006) were on the wrong side of the issue; I never suggested otherwise. Oversight was needed and they argued against it. By 2007, Democrats pushed for oversight but it was too late by then.

But they were the minority party and didn't prevent the majority party Republicans from passing that oversight. The party in charge is the party who gets the blame. This would be as retarded as blaming Republicans for not closing GITMO because Democrats failed to pass such legislation while they controlled the Congress. If the party in charge wants something, they're in the position to go for it. They control the chamber, they control the committees, they control which bills get voted on. If they put a bill to a vote but it's block by a filibuster, then you can blame the minority party for blocking the legislation ... but that didn't happen in any one of the bills Republicans introduced. The bills went nowhere because they were crappy bills.

The one bill to make it out of the House, which prompted a response from the president, was harshly panned by the administration.

Bush, a Republican, didn't like the bill his own party drafted for him.

As a wise man once said ... "with great power comes great responsibilities."

 

[Gaugingcatenate]

My credibility is not on the line, but yours is completely shot. Of course Democrats (between 2002 and 2006) were on the wrong side of the issue; I never suggested otherwise. Oversight was needed and they argued against it. By 2007, Democrats pushed for oversight but it was too late by then.

But they were the minority party and didn't prevent the majority party Republicans from passing that oversight. The party in charge is the party who gets the blame. This would be as retarded as blaming Republicans for not closing GITMO because Democrats failed to pass such legislation while they controlled the Congress. If the party in charge wants something, they're in the position to go for it. They control the chamber, they control the committees, they control which bills get voted on. If they put a bill to a vote but it's block by a filibuster, then you can blame the minority party for blocking the legislation ... but that didn't happen in any one of the bills Republicans introduced. The bills went nowhere because they were crappy bills.

The one bill to make it out of the House, which prompted a response from the president, was harshly panned by the administration.

Bush, a Republican, didn't like the bill his own party drafted for him.

As a wise man once said ... "with great power comes great responsibilities."

Nah, that is not how it goes, that is just how it goes in your mind. But thanks for finally admitting that the Democrats were responsible for the financial mess that we, and the boobama administration, finds ourselves in the aftermath ...and for which he is doing almost absolutely nothing to get us out of ..one could practically come to the conclusion he wants our once very strong capitalist economy pinned to the mat...

The establishment republicans aren't doing much either...but if republicans can pull obamacare out by the roots, that would be the best health care plan for the actual health of the entire country than has been proposed in many years...and we would be forever indebted to them...lets hope they can put together a better plan this time around than what they did to keep your folks from almost destroying our entire economy.

 

[Sheik Yerbuti]

Nah, that is not how it goes, that is just how it goes in your mind. But thanks for finally admitting that the Democrats were responsible for the financial mess that we, and the boobama administration, finds ourselves in the aftermath ...and for which he is doing almost absolutely nothing to get us out of ..one could practically come to the conclusion he wants our once very strong capitalist economy pinned to the mat...

The establishment republicans aren't doing much either...but if republicans can pull obamacare out by the roots, that would be the best health care plan for the actual health of the entire country than has been proposed in many years...and we would be forever indebted to them...lets hope they can put together a better plan this time around than what they did to keep your folks from almost destroying our entire economy.

It's absolutely mind-boggling how you can read what I wrote and then reach the conclusion I bolded. :shrug:

 

[Fenton]

[COLOR="#0000F
F"]They were not protected. Republicans were in charge of the Congress. All they had to do was pass a bill to add oversight. They wouldn't do it.

SB109? You mean S.190? Even Republicans wouldn't put that to a vote in the full Senate, so who knows why you think Democrats should have, especially since they had one bill of their own that had passed in the House and not long after, another bill introduced by Pelosi that would ultimately make it to Bush to become law.

You can stomp your feet and pound your fists as hard as you can, you will never be able to alter the reality that Republicans, in charge of the House from 1995 until 2007, and the Senate as well except for a year and a half, and they passed nothing. 12 years, no bills. And here you are, criticizing Democrats because it took them a year and a half to pass one.

If a year and a half is too long for you to have a bill pass, I can only imagine your outrage over Republicans passing none in 12 years? Oh, wait, you have no outrage for Republicans, do you? Even though they were in charge, to you, they were the victims. :lamo[/COLOR]


It doesn't matter that Democrats defended the GSE's -- they had no control in the Congress. Despite your desperate nonsense about them threatening to filibuster, they didn't. Republican leadership never put any one of the bills up for a vote. Too bad for them too. Had they, and had Democrats killed even one of the bills with a filibuster, then Democrats would have been to blame. But those bills were crappy bills and Republican leadership wouldn't put them up for a vote. And with 130 filibusters during the 108th and 109th Congress, Republicans clearly didn't shy away from putting bills up for a vote because they feared Democrats my filibuster them. They didn't put them up for a vote because they knew they would fail to protect the system.


Right back atcha.

SB109 had zero Democrat votes in the Committee and the Democrats threaten to do everything in their power to stop the vote in the Senate including fillibustering it.

Since they only had a 55 vote majority it was not fillibuster proof.

The Republicans re-submitted it to a Democrat Committee in 2007, a year before the collapse.

A year before that stupid HR bill you posted that did ZERO to stop the collapse

What happened in that Commitee ?

 

[Sheik Yerbuti]

SB109 had zero Democrat votes in the Committee and the Democrats threaten to do everything in their power to stop the vote in the Senate including fillibustering it.

Since they only had a 55 vote majority it was not fillibuster proof.

The Republicans re-submitted it to a Democrat Committee in 2007, a year before the collapse.

A year before that stupid HR bill you posted that did ZERO to stop the collapse

What happened in that Commitee ?

Again, what bill are you talking about? Do you really mean S.190? Because S.190 made it out of committee despite the lack of Democrat support. It was dropped by Frist who wouldn't allow it to be voted on by the full Senate. And again, Democrats didn't block it. They didn't have to since Frist wouldn't put it up. And your nonsense about how Republicans cowered in fear of Democrats because they didn't have a filibuster-proof Senate is just absurd. Out of all the years they controlled the Senate, when was the last time they had a filibuster-proof Senate? And yet, they still managed to put bills up for a vote, even when they knew Democrats would filibuster. There were 130 filibusters during the 108th - 109th Congress ... your argument falls flat as that shows Republicans weren't afraid of filibusters.

Frist didn't put it on the legislative calendar because the bill sucked. That's why Democrats didn't put it up in 2007.