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AS IMPOSSIBLE AS ABORTION OPPONENTS CARING FOR THE BORN. The word "murder" only applies to the killing of persons, not to the killing of unborn human animal entities as unwanted as mosquito or rat animal entities.How about the pain of doubt and uncertainty as the mother contemplates the murder of her unborn.
A STUPID LIE, COMPOUNDED WITH IDIOCY. By definition of the word "immortal", it is as impossible for physical events like death to affect souls as it is impossible for physical events like conception to affect souls. Thus if souls exist at all, they exist entirely independently of human bodies, just as ordinary automobiles can exist entirely independently of drivers. We are not stupid enough to try to drive autos that are under construction and unable to go anywhere; why should souls be stupid enough to enter human bodies that are under construction and unable to do anything? (The "compounded with idiocy" is the notion that there would exist a memory of something that isn't going to happen, like a soul entering a human body at conception.)The soul is conscious at conception although the memory is difficult to access.
PROVE THAT. Your mere claims are worthless without evidence (or even logic --lots of women can have sex during pregnancy without suffering a shortage of oxygen).Much unconscious trauma is stored in the personality from the mother having sex during pregnancy which restricts the flow of oxygen to the fetus.
I was just guessing on the hospital stay. it was 45 years ago. And my wife corrected me on the weight. She was 2 lbs 6 oz.
At 2 lbs 6 ounces, there is no way she was only 24 weeks along. That weight is closer to 28-29 weeks....which would match your baby's hospital stay.
I apologize for the scrutiny, but after being on these boards for so long, discrepancies like that stand out like a sore thumb.
The difference between a baby and a fetus is one is wanted and the other is not.
There's probably truth to this, but only in terms of informal usage.
A woman or family looking forward to a new member of the family is of course looking forward to that 'baby.' That is what they picture...a babe in arms, swaddled and cooing. And such optimistic and positive feelings encourage a mother to be to take better care of herself, eat well, take pre-natal vitamins, not do things dangerous to the unborn, etc etc. Win-win all around.
The laws in most states also consider it a baby. If I'm driving drunk and I kill a pregnant woman and her unborn child, I will be charged in both. If it is just tissue and not human, how can a person be charged with manslaughter for killing it? Can't have it both ways.
Personally, I think abortion should be legal until they're 18 years old....
The laws in most states also consider it a baby. If I'm driving drunk and I kill a pregnant woman and her unborn child, I will be charged in both. If it is just tissue and not human, how can a person be charged with manslaughter for killing it? Can't have it both ways.
That doesn't happen in my country, but it's the same principle as if you kill my dog, you will be charged with a crime. Yet I can take her to the vet and have her put down for any reason.
Six months from the day of conception. That is a fact. I don't know what babies are supposed to weigh, but the timeline and weight are correct.
FYI; I Googled this since you brought it up. Six months is 2 lbs give or take a few ounces, and about 12 inches in length. So that fits what I remember exactly.
Google 24 weeks and you will find out why I was skeptical. https://www.babycenter.com/average-fetal-length-weight-chart
24 weeks (if the baby survives.....) is a dicey time. The baby will not just have feeding issues...but huge breathing problems that will need to be reconciled.
Near 30 weeks (given the weight....about 29 weeks) is 90 plus percent survivable with decent medical care. 24 weeks 40 years ago was more than dicey.
Part of the problem is that if people are counseling others about an abortion situation....they will use personal stories to "help". If a "miracle baby" (surviving at 24 weeks is oft seen as a miracle)is being touted......I just hope the info is real.
I am happy your child grew up well and went on to have her own family. That is a blessed thing.
But this is a forum where members are used to inaccurate information being presented, so we are more than sensitive to it.
Well, I gave you accurate information. With today's medicine, 24 weeks does seem viable. Maybe back then it was a miracle. If I were to counsel someone on abortion, my advice would be to have it as early in the pregnancy as possible. Better yet, use the morning after pill. Or just practice safe sex.
Again....2 pounds six ounces and 24 weeks cannot be accurate.
Babies who are born at 24 weeks will not stay in the hospital for a month and a half. It will much much longer than that.
Your height/weight/gestational age/ length of stay in hospital do not jive.
And frankly....I know of no parent of a premature baby that does not know exactly the weight. It is pretty dang important. You have already wavered on weight.
And I believe you said the height was 12 inches....which does not come close to matching the 2 lbs 6 ounce weight.
I'm a Conservative Moderate, I am Pro-choice, I don't want Government involved in anyone's life other than public safety, infrastructure and upholding Laws.
However if you're going to have an Abortion it needs to be done ASAP, not 8 months later!
Well, that's what it was. I frankly could care less what you believe.
I'm a Conservative Moderate, I am Pro-choice, I don't want Government involved in anyone's life other than public safety, infrastructure and upholding Laws.
However if you're going to have an Abortion it needs to be done ASAP, not 8 months later!
How about the pain of doubt and uncertainty as the mother contemplates the murder of her unborn.
The soul is conscious at conception although the memory is difficult to access.
Much unconscious trauma is stored in the personality from the mother having sex during pregnancy which restricts the flow of oxygen to the fetus.
House passes 20-week abortion ban, with Trump White House support | Fox News
Let's bring up science and facts. The evidence is overwhelming that a fetus feels pain in the womb. If this legislation bans late-term abortion on that scientific fact, I support it.
I don’t know about pain, but at 20 weeks viability may be presumed. At least there has been incidence of survival at 20 weeks.
Women do not abort at 8 months.
In fact abortions past 20 weeks are almost all because of medical reasons. Doctors perform ultra sounds at 18 to 20 weeks gestation to determine fetal defects. That only gives the parents and doctor a couple of weeks to perform more tests and make a decision if fetal defects were found.
Most states ban abortions after 24 weeks even if the unborn is so malformed it will not survive or will only live a few minutes or hours.
I don’t know about pain, but at 20 weeks viability may be presumed. At least there has been incidence of survival at 20 weeks.
Why ban after 24 weeks, if it’s okay at 21? It’s just a few cells more.
It's 'ok' at any time. The point is, no women have elective abortions at 21 or 24 weeks.
So no laws are needed.
I just saw a statistic that put the yearly numbers around 13.000 plus 21 and above.
From:As of 2013, over 22,000 Texas babies are born each year with one or more major structural malformations or chromosomal anomalies.
It's 'ok' at any time. The point is, no women have elective abortions at 21 or 24 weeks.
So no laws are needed.
I just saw a statistic that put the yearly numbers around 13.000 plus 21 and above.
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