Ban on burqas receives strong public support in France

[Apocalypse]

Ban on burqas receives strong public support in France

A report drawn up by French MPs will this week call for a ban on Afghan-style burqas and other garments that cover a woman’s face.

The proposal has strong public support. According to an opinion poll by Ipsos for the magazine Le Point, 57% of voters favour a ban while 37% are opposed.

The recommendations of a parliamentary commission, to be published on Tuesday, are expected to include a bar on wearing full veils on public transport and in schools, hospitals and public-sector offices including post offices. The commission is thought likely to call for a total ban after further consultation.

President Nicolas Sarkozy launched a debate on veils last June, telling a special sitting of both houses of parliament that they were “not welcome” in France. He said last week the full veil was “contrary to our values and to the ideals we have of women’s dignity”.


Ban on burqas receives strong public support in France - Times Online

So now after the majority of Belgium and Switzerland's populations support the banning on minarets, the majority of the French people support the ban on the blanket known as Burqa.

Interesting.

 

[MyOwnDrum]

So now after the majority of Belgium and Switzerland's populations support the banning on minarets, the majority of the French people support the ban on the blanket known as Burqa.

Interesting.

Interesting how the two cultures express their desire to constrain Islam; Switzerland, with an architectural ban and France with a fashion ban.

If France care so much about 'women's dignity', they would ban pornography and other demeaning and exploitative things towards women.

I think they should be more honest about their intent. It's not to protect woman's dignity, its a statement about right-winged, ultraconservative Islam, and that it's unwelcome in France.

 

[Partisan]

Interesting how the two cultures express their desire to constrain Islam; Switzerland, with an architectural ban and France with a fashion ban.

If France care so much about 'women's dignity', they would ban pornography and other demeaning and exploitative things towards women.

I think they should be more honest about their intent. It's not to protect woman's dignity, its a statement about right-winged, ultraconservative Islam, and that it's unwelcome in France.

So be it.............
It's about time that the western world recognize Islam for the evil it is & ban it outright......

 

[Aunt Spiker]

Interesting how the two cultures express their desire to constrain Islam; Switzerland, with an architectural ban and France with a fashion ban.

If France care so much about 'women's dignity', they would ban pornography and other demeaning and exploitative things towards women.

I think they should be more honest about their intent. It's not to protect woman's dignity, its a statement about right-winged, ultraconservative Islam, and that it's unwelcome in France.

Actually, no.

Pornography, the model industry and so forth don't require women to do anything that they don't want to do.
Burqa's are not a 'fashion' statement - they are a demanded part of a religion and a culture.

Huge difference.

There isn't a single culture or religion out there (that I can think of) in which pornography and so forth is a 'required' part of being a well rounded or accepted individual.

Pornography, modeling, prostitution = a freedom of choice and strongly related to opinion.
Burqas and hijabs are not.

So to many people these things represent oppression and subjugation, not freedom and an individual choice - and thus, they hate it.

 

[bub]

Interesting how the two cultures express their desire to constrain Islam; Switzerland, with an architectural ban and France with a fashion ban.

If France care so much about 'women's dignity', they would ban pornography and other demeaning and exploitative things towards women.

I think they should be more honest about their intent. It's not to protect woman's dignity, its a statement about right-winged, ultraconservative Islam, and that it's unwelcome in France.

France also condemns forced prostitution

 

[Urethra Franklin]

So be it.............
It's about time that the western world recognize Islam for the evil it is & ban it outright......

Can we also ban evil christianity while we're about it?

All religions have their dark, evil sides. While banning them is appealing, it's probably not the intelligent answer.

 

[Arch Enemy]

Can we also ban evil christianity while we're about it?

All religions have their dark, evil sides. While banning them is appealing, it's probably not the intelligent answer.

UREEETHRRAAAAA!

You're back!

 

[Arch Enemy]

Actually, no.

Pornography, the model industry and so forth don't require women to do anything that they don't want to do.
Burqa's are not a 'fashion' statement - they are a demanded part of a religion and a culture.

Huge difference.

There isn't a single culture or religion out there (that I can think of) in which pornography and so forth is a 'required' part of being a well rounded or accepted individual.

Pornography, modeling, prostitution = a freedom of choice and strongly related to opinion.
Burqas and hijabs are not.

So to many people these things represent oppression and subjugation, not freedom and an individual choice - and thus, they hate it.

Wouldn't banning burqas be a sign of oppression and subjugation?


I don't think I am following the story accurately. The clothing shown in the article is not the Burqa,

This is the Burqa

They're distinctly blue because it's the Taliban's creation.

Anywho,

Interesting how the two cultures express their desire to constrain Islam; Switzerland, with an architectural ban and France with a fashion ban.

I think you have it backwards. I don't think it is a desire to constrain Islam, but a desire to preserve French and Swiss, respectively.

For the Nationalist Frenchmen and women who are sensitive to history, then the Algerian War of Independence still might be a sore-spot. The full-veil in Algeria was used by the FLA multiple times to smuggle members from one part of Algiers to another, usually setting up attacks.

 

[Jerry]

So now after the majority of Belgium and Switzerland's populations support the banning on minarets, the majority of the French people support the ban on the blanket known as Burqa.

Interesting.

I think broadly banning religious expression is dangerous.

How about banning murder instead?

 

[bub]

I think broadly banning religious expression is dangerous.

How about banning murder instead?

Burqa is not religious, its cultural. Like polygamy

 

[Jerry]

Burqa is not religious, its cultural. Like polygamy

It's religious, because religion is a part of culture.

Basic sociology FTW :2wave:

 

[bub]

It's religious.


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where do they say the word "burqa" in the koran?

 

[Jerry]

where do they say the word "burqa" in the koran?

I can show you were it says "religion" is a part of "culture" in my sociology book if you'd like.

 

[bub]

I can show you were it says "religion" is a part of "culture" in my sociology book if you'd like.

culture is broader, cultural things (like the burqa or polygamy) are not necessarily religious.

 

[Jerry]

culture is broader, cultural things (like the burqa or polygamy) are not necessarily religious.

Well, this one is, and I say that because they use a religious reasoning for wearing it.

 

[Apocalypse]

I think broadly banning religious expression is dangerous.

How about banning murder instead?

Where in the Quran does it say that if you are a married female you need to wear a blanket?

 

[bub]

Well, this one is, and I say that because they use a religious reasoning for wearing it.

If it was religious and not just cultural, Muslim people from Indonesia or Morroco would also wear it. How do you explain that nearly all the women who wear it come from Afghanistan?

 

[Apocalypse]

It's religious, because religion is a part of culture.

Basic sociology FTW :2wave:

But culture is not part of religion, so while every religious act is a cultural act, not every cultural act is a religious act.

Are you really unable to see this?

 

[Arch Enemy]

The "Burqa" specifically is not in the Qu'ran.

But does religion stop with the closing of the Holy Books?

If that's the case, then the Pope is cultural and not religious. The Saints are cultural and not religious.

 

[bub]

The "Burqa" specifically is not in the Qu'ran.

But does religion stop with the closing of the Holy Books?

If that's the case, then the Pope is cultural and not religious. The Saints are cultural and not religious.

Well anyways I don't know why we try to make a distinction. Cultural things can be bad, but religious things also.

 

[Apocalypse]

The "Burqa" specifically is not in the Qu'ran.

But does religion stop with the closing of the Holy Books

If one truly believe that his holy book resembles the holy truth, then he wouldn't take any add-on as part of that holy truth.

If it's not in the book, it's not part of your religion's holy truth.

 

[Arch Enemy]

Well anyways I don't know why we try to make a distinction. Cultural things can be bad, but religious things also.

I think that was Jerry's point. That his Sociology 101 book says that they're involved.

If one truly believe that his holy book resembles the holy truth, then he wouldn't take any add-on as part of that holy truth.

If it's not in the book, it's not part of your religion's holy truth.

Holy Books don't give you the framework with how to be Holy in the year 2010. There's the realization that the Quran, the Bible, and the Torah make no mention of... you know... Internets and such.

There's been institutions built upon the Holy Book to coordinate the religion into the future. These institutions have basis in the Holy Books, but their actions and their legacy are just not predicated in the Books.

 

[Captain America]

Next up......

Pant's on ze ground.

Looking like ze fool with ze pants on ze ground.

Ban ze pants on ze ground. :rofl

Oui! Oui!

 

[Apocalypse]

I think that was Jerry's point. That his Sociology 101 book says that they're involved.



Holy Books don't give you the framework with how to be Holy in the year 2010. There's the realization that the Quran, the Bible, and the Torah make no mention of... you know... Internets and such.

There's been institutions built upon the Holy Book to coordinate the religion into the future. These institutions have basis in the Holy Books, but their actions and their legacy are just not predicated in the Books.

So you're saying that anyone can claim that his institution is related to the holy book and by that to create whatever religious acts that must be fulfilled by the worshipers?

Sounds fishy.

 

[Arch Enemy]

So you're saying that anyone can claim that his institution is related to the holy book and by that to create whatever religious acts that must be fulfilled by the worshipers?

Sounds fishy.

That's the sad truth though isn't it?

Would you say that an Iranian Basiji believes his faithfulness is just as Holy as that of a Pashtun Taliban, and then also in comparison with an Internationally recognized Muslim Professor in the United States?

The largest ordeal with the Holy Books, the Quran in this instance, is that to different people it can mean different things. A Muslim in Jakarta is not the same as a Muslim in Tehran or a Muslim Paris or New York. The reality is that there are many paradigms at work, and most of them have a predicate in the Qu'ran.