B.O Isn't "Familiar" With the House Bill.

[Realist1]

Wow. You're new and already insulting people. You're not fooling anyone with your "Private" leaning. Grow up.

So,,,in your view, only people with 12,000 Posts can be insulting.:lol:

Take care.

 

[Realist1]

The bill in question is being formulated by the House. Eventually it will be voted on and a compromise will be reached with the version passed by the Senate. That version will be signed into law. It is disengenuous and totally unrealistic to expect the president to be fluent in every clause of a House bill which has not yet been voted on (and you know it)

That's the part that sticks in my craw. The Bill is still being slapped together by unknown People and Parties, with a completely unknown Agenda. And B.O. "Demands" that everybody should "Tow the Line".:lol:

And sign it.:roll:

 

[Realist1]

The house is irrelevant. He can veto whatever he doesn't like. if the president spent all his time, or really much time at all listening to the houses machniations, his eyes would explode, his brains would atrophe, and his will to live would diminish. Have you listened to the activities of the house?

He's simply giving them the opportunity to solidify some of their stances.

Once that settles, he will step in and make is own stance on healthcare, than negotations will begin. If he starts the whole debate out by putting his position out first, he's in a position of weakness. He's no dummy.

No, B.O. isn't a dummy. He's a Chicago Lawyer, Politican, and "Community Organizer" that's spent the last 20 years hanging around the likes of the Racist Rev. Wright, and Bill Ayers, a convicted Bomber...:roll: Plus assorted shady characters all the way up to the thrown out Gov. Blago.

What a Guy.:doh

 

[formerroadie]

No, B.O. isn't a dummy. He's a Chicago Lawyer, Politican, and "Community Organizer" that's spent the last 20 years hanging around the likes of the Racist Rev. Wright, and Bill Ayers, a convicted Bomber...:roll: Plus assorted shady characters all the way up to the thrown out Gov. Blago.

What a Guy.:doh

Wow, that is a pretty damn ignorant post there. I hope one day you are able to find some facts instead of ranting and raving while channeling Hannity and Rush.

 

[Realist1]

Wow, that is a pretty damn ignorant post there. I hope one day you are able to find some facts instead of ranting and raving while channeling Hannity and Rush.

No, B.O. isn't a dummy. He's a Chicago Lawyer, Politican, and "Community Organizer" that's spent the last 20 years hanging around the likes of the Racist Rev. Wright, and Bill Ayers, a convicted Bomber... Plus assorted shady characters all the way up to the thrown out Gov. Blago.

What a Guy.



You find a fault with this?:lol: An "Untruth" somewhere? You're trying to tell me this isn't true? Please..:doh

 

[Donkey1499]

That's the part that sticks in my craw. The Bill is still being slapped together by unknown People and Parties, with a completely unknown Agenda. And B.O. "Demands" that everybody should "Tow the Line".:lol:

And sign it.:roll:

The creators of the bill are not unknown. I quoted and linked who they are in post #4 of this very thread: Here!

 

[Gill]

The creators of the bill are not unknown. I quoted and linked who they are in post #4 of this very thread: Here!

Not really....

Despite his campaign promise to "make White House communications public," the Obama administration again is blocking the public from seeing White House visitor logs, this time refusing to disclose meetings with health care executives. Tonight, less than an hour before his news conference on health care, he released some of the information only after a nonprofit group filed a federal lawsuit.

After lawsuit, Obama releases info on health talks - White House- msnbc.com

 

[Donkey1499]

Not really....

After lawsuit, Obama releases info on health talks - White House- msnbc.com

And what does this (not so secret) "conspiracy-ridden" link to the President have to do with the Sponsor and Co-Sponsors for a bill that is currently only in the House of Representatives, and still under construction, that I listed in a previous post?

The bill in question was created/sponsored/co-sponsored by members of the U.S. House of Representatives. Obama may have made suggestions, as well as senators and lobbyists, but the bill is ultimately the creation of the House.

 

[Harshaw]

Then what possible purpose was there for withholding the information?

 

[Gill]

And what does this (not so secret) "conspiracy-ridden" link to the President have to do with the Sponsor and Co-Sponsors for a bill that is currently only in the House of Representatives, and still under construction, that I listed in a previous post?

The bill in question was created/sponsored/co-sponsored by members of the U.S. House of Representatives. Obama may have made suggestions, as well as senators and lobbyists, but the bill is ultimately the creation of the House.

Sponsors and co-sponsors?? Where did you mention those words??

The discussion was about the "creators" of the bill. Finally, under threat of a lawsuit, Obama has partially released the information so we can find out who these creators were. Do you really think Obama had the health industry executives to the White House to discuss how best to run an auto company?

Conspiracy ridden?? :roll:

 

[Donkey1499]

Then what possible purpose was there for withholding the information?

I don't know.

Sponsors and co-sponsors?? Where did you mention those words??

The discussion was about the "creators" of the bill. Finally, under threat of a lawsuit, Obama has partially released the information so we can find out who these creators were. Do you really think Obama had the health industry executives to the White House to discuss how best to run an auto company?

Conspiracy ridden?? :roll:

Post #4 of this thread is where I originally mentioned them; sponsor and co-sponsors.

I don't know if lobbyists can create bills, but I do know that legislators can. So I'm guessing that Rep. John Dingle created it, since he's sponsoring it.

Well, the financial health of the auto industry is of concern. Don't know what Viagra can do for that, though. :/

 

[formerroadie]

Have you seen the bill? It's huge. If he has to actually read it he'd be bogged down for days at a time.

Now, because the bill isn't finished. DUH!

 

[formerroadie]

And what does this (not so secret) "conspiracy-ridden" link to the President have to do with the Sponsor and Co-Sponsors for a bill that is currently only in the House of Representatives, and still under construction, that I listed in a previous post?

The bill in question was created/sponsored/co-sponsored by members of the U.S. House of Representatives. Obama may have made suggestions, as well as senators and lobbyists, but the bill is ultimately the creation of the House.

Thank you! This is what I have been saying. IT'S NOT OBAMA'S BABY UNTIL HE SIGNS THE DAMN THING! Stop making so many criticisms of Obama on this and see how he reacts to the FINAL and COMPLETE bill. It's hilarious you people don't seem to know what comes first (meaning the right wingers).

 

[Harshaw]

Thank you! This is what I have been saying. IT'S NOT OBAMA'S BABY UNTIL HE SIGNS THE DAMN THING! Stop making so many criticisms of Obama on this and see how he reacts to the FINAL and COMPLETE bill. It's hilarious you people don't seem to know what comes first (meaning the right wingers).

He's still pushing to get it passed as-is, so it IS his baby. It's the bill he wants to sign.

 

[celticlord]

Thank you! This is what I have been saying. IT'S NOT OBAMA'S BABY UNTIL HE SIGNS THE DAMN THING! Stop making so many criticisms of Obama on this and see how he reacts to the FINAL and COMPLETE bill. It's hilarious you people don't seem to know what comes first (meaning the right wingers).

He's nominally the head of the Anti-Republicans, and is certainly the one instigating this mad dash to destroy healthcare in this country.

This legislation would not even be pending if it were not for his despising of America--so yes, it is very much "his baby". Fortunately, it is very much turning into "his albatross", and hopefully will become "his millstone" and drag him and his farce of a Presidency down.

 

[Realist1]

Now, because the bill isn't finished. DUH!

I suppose you'd sign a Bill, not only without reading it,,,but still being "Changed" right in front of your eyes.:lol: That's exactly what B.O. is asking Congress to do.:roll:

 

[Crunch]

That's like saying "I won't get laid, until it happens".:lol: B.O. is going Home with "Blue Balls".:lol: He's turned into a "Lame Duck",,,after 6 months in Office.

That leaves us Americans with 3 and 1/2 years of a dildo in charge. That really sucks.

LMAO... the imagery.....

 

[Morality Games]

During the call, a blogger from Maine said he kept running into an Investors Business Daily article that claimed Section 102 of the House health legislation would outlaw private insurance. He asked: “Is this true? Will people be able to keep their insurance and will insurers be able to write new policies even though H.R. 3200 is passed?” President Obama replied: “You know, I have to say that I am not familiar with the provision you are talking about.” (quote begins at 17:10)

Well, it won't outlaw private insurance.

This is a truly disturbing admission by the President, especially considering that later in the call, Obama promises yet again: “If you have health insurance, and you like it, and you have a doctor that you like, then you can keep it. Period.” How can Obama keep making this promise if he is not familiar with the health legislation that is being written in Congress? Details matter.

... there are at least 102 sections. He's demonstrated he understands the crux of the plan, partially because he drafted it and was the first one to begin enumerating on it. But its not his personal invention. Hundreds of people, at the least, have to be involved.

 

[Realist1]

Well, it won't outlaw private insurance.




... there are at least 102 sections. He's demonstrated he understands the crux of the plan, partially because he drafted it and was the first one to begin enumerating on it. But its not his personal invention. Hundreds of people, at the least, have to be involved.

We have yours,,,or B.O.'s "Word" on that M/G? :lol:

Well, it won't outlaw private insurance.

 

[Morality Games]

We have yours,,,or B.O.'s "Word" on that M/G? :lol:

Well, it won't outlaw private insurance.

... it should be blatantly obvious that private insurance will not be outlawed, just out of pure common sense -- it would be all over the media, the Republicans would never stop talking about it everywhere. What is going to happen is that private insurance will be subject to new regulations. Some people speculate that is going to drive them out of business, and decided that "outlawing" private insurance was a reasonable way of describing that theory of theirs. I strongly doubt that private insurance will be run out of business. But it will be reduced.

Oh well.

 

[Realist1]

We have yours,,,or B.O.'s "Word" on that M/G? :lol:



... it should be blatantly obvious that private insurance will not be outlawed, just out of pure common sense -- it would be all over the media, the Republicans would never stop talking about it everywhere. What is going to happen is that private insurance will be subject to new regulations. Some people speculate that is going to drive them out of business, and decided that "outlawing" private insurance was a reasonable way of describing that theory of theirs. I strongly doubt that private insurance will be run out of business. But it will be reduced.

Oh well.

It must've slipped your mind,,,but the Plan is to "Tax" anyone NOT willing to participate,,,$2,500 a year in "Penalties". On an Individual Basis. :lol:

 

[Morality Games]

It must've slipped your mind,,,but the Plan is to "Tax" anyone NOT willing to participate,,,$2,500 a year in "Penalties". On an Individual Basis. :lol:

Provide more detail.

 

[Realist1]

Provide more detail.

All right...:lol:
Ensuring shared responsibility. Fourth, the draft would ensure that
individuals, employers and the federal government all share
responsibility for a quality and affordable health care system.

* Employers who currently offer coverage would be able to
continue offering coverage to workers. Employers who don't currently
offer coverage could choose to pay for their workers to gain health care
coverage through the exchange or pay a penalty.

* All individuals would be required to get coverage, either
through their employer or the exchange, or pay a penalty.

Seek, and Ye shall find. I always thought that was a good line.:mrgreen:

 

[Morality Games]

All right...:lol:
Ensuring shared responsibility. Fourth, the draft would ensure that
individuals, employers and the federal government all share
responsibility for a quality and affordable health care system.

* Employers who currently offer coverage would be able to
continue offering coverage to workers. Employers who don't currently
offer coverage could choose to pay for their workers to gain health care
coverage through the exchange or pay a penalty.

* All individuals would be required to get coverage, either
through their employer or the exchange, or pay a penalty.

Seek, and Ye shall find. I always thought that was a good line.:mrgreen:

That doesn't sound so bad. It doesn't follow that private insurance is going to go out of business, anyway.

Besides, there's no telling if the provision will make it into the final form of the bill.

 

[Realist1]

That doesn't sound so bad. It doesn't follow that private insurance is going to go out of business, anyway.

Besides, there's no telling if the provision will make it into the final form of the bill.

A little Reality Check here, if you please M/G . B.O. and the Democrats are threatening to steal our money if we don't kow-tow to their Mandatory Federal Health Care Program. And you say: That doesn't sound so bad. :roll: