Attack Syria Now!!

[CanadaJohn]

Heya MC.....I keep asking what does all do if Russia puts up a blockade. They wouldn't even have to fire one shot. Then who in the West will start WWIII over Syria and or some Sunni Muslims.

The only chance for a WWIII type scenario to develop in the region is if somehow the Turks feel they are under attack by forces in Syria or their allies in Iraq and they get engaged in border skirmishes that go badly and Turkey calls in their NATO allies, under the charter, for support - if that happens, the Russians and others may get involved and some stupid ass will attack Israel and then all hell breaks loose.

 

[Montecresto]

The US isn't doing anything to Syria and I fail to see what they would or might do that is in the best interests of the US and/or its allies.

But of course they are training and arming the insurgency in an effort to undermine the Assad government that they have wanted out of the way sense long before Obama became president.



The United States has added Cuba, Libya and Syria to the nations it claims are deliberately seeking to obtain chemical or biological weapons.

Bolton: singled out Cuba for particular criticism

In a speech entitled "Beyond the Axis of Evil", US Under Secretary of State, John Bolton said that the three nations could be grouped

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/1971852.stm

 

[Andalublue]

Heya VM. :2wave: Well we know the Brits are saying there doesn't have to be a UN Mandate.

Syria crisis: UK and US move closer to intervention
Foreign secretary says Britain and allies could intervene in Syria without the authority of United Nations.....

Britain and the US are inching towards a military attack against the regime of Bashar al-Assad after William Hague said all other options have failed over the past year.

As the Syrian president said the US would face failure if it intervened in his country, the UK foreign secretary said Britain and its allies could intervene without the authority of the UN.

Hague, who insisted Britain shared a common position with the US and France, told BBC Radio 4's Today programme: "We have tried those other methods, the diplomatic methods, and we will continue to try those. But they have failed so far."

The idiot non-savant Hague is speaking from his anus. He has already stated that the UK government holds Assad responsible for the chemical attack, prior to the inspectors even arriving. His government is extremely unpopular at home and public opinion is strongly opposed to supporting the rebels with anything other than humanitarian supplies and protective equipment. Hague and the hawkish wing of the government wish to be seen as decisive and supportive of the US because involvement in a military conflict is seen as an almost fail-safe way of ensuring re-election. It worked for Thatcher in '83 and Bush in '04. I also appeared to work for Blair in '05 despite the unpopularity of the conflict itself.

Clearly he is not expressing a common position with France and the US as neither has pre-judged the findings of the inspectors. What an embarrassment that man is!

 

[CanadaJohn]

But of course they are training and arming the insurgency in an effort to undermine the Assad government that they have wanted out of the way sense long before Obama became president.

Really? Seems to me I remember a very famous Secretary of State, one who has her eye on the oval office, claiming that Assad is just the type of guy America could work with, someone who respected human rights. Certainly, Bush the younger isolated Syria because of its support for Sadaam, Iran and Hezbollah, but the US isolating someone or some country doesn't mean the US is actively seeking to overthrow the government or invade the country.

 

[MMC]

Israel.
It is as simple as that. :?

Nah, Isreal has been taking care of itself with NP.....whatsoever!!!!!

The other reason is that Grand Sunni Dream of a United States of Islam. Where the New LAS VEGAS of the World Will be, in DUBAI. Where all US politicians want to get their hands into that till.....Party All the Time.

 

[Montecresto]

Israel.
It is as simple as that. :?

Yep. We know that it certainly includes that anyway.

 

[Andalublue]

Certainly, Bush the younger isolated Syria because of its support for Sadaam, Iran and Hezbollah, but the US isolating someone or some country doesn't mean the US is actively seeking to overthrow the government or invade the country.

Syria did not support Saddam. They contributed forces that expelled Iraq from Kuwait in Desert Storm. They only reestablished full diplomatic relations in 2006, after the overthrow of Saddam.

 

[MMC]

The only chance for a WWIII type scenario to develop in the region is if somehow the Turks feel they are under attack by forces in Syria or their allies in Iraq and they get engaged in border skirmishes that go badly and Turkey calls in their NATO allies, under the charter, for support - if that happens, the Russians and others may get involved and some stupid ass will attack Israel and then all hell breaks loose.

Yeah, as I don't see all destroying the planet over the Sunni Muslims of the MB.....there is a Solution. We can send them to the Inhabitable Zone to some star with numbers. Go back and check it out in a say 100 years and find out they now call it the Planet Klingon. :2razz:

 

[Montecresto]

Really? Seems to me I remember a very famous Secretary of State, one who has her eye on the oval office, claiming that Assad is just the type of guy America could work with, someone who respected human rights. Certainly, Bush the younger isolated Syria because of its support for Sadaam, Iran and Hezbollah, but the US isolating someone or some country doesn't mean the US is actively seeking to overthrow the government or invade the country.

Better get your popcorn John!

 

[Canell]

Nah, Isreal has been taking care of itself with NP.....whatsoever!!!!!

The whole world knows that Israel and USA are like peas and carrots. :wink2:

 

[VanceMack]

Really? Seems to me I remember a very famous Secretary of State, one who has her eye on the oval office, claiming that Assad is just the type of guy America could work with, someone who respected human rights. Certainly, Bush the younger isolated Syria because of its support for Sadaam, Iran and Hezbollah, but the US isolating someone or some country doesn't mean the US is actively seeking to overthrow the government or invade the country.

Hey...this would be an IDEAL scenario for Canada to take the lead on. Handle it!

 

[CanadaJohn]

Syria did not support Saddam. They contributed forces that expelled Iraq from Kuwait in Desert Storm. They only reestablished full diplomatic relations in 2006, after the overthrow of Saddam.

Perhaps more accurate would have been that Assad the elder and Sadaam were like minded, ruthless, Baathists whose minority parties ruled over the majorities in their countries with an iron fist. They had much in common, with the exception of Iran - Iran and the enemies/friends it kept was the one demonstrable difference between the two regimes and Assad the younger is carrying on his father's tradition.

 

[Rainman05]

Rain, I think your misunderstanding me. Does my op leave the impression that I support US involvement in Syria? I sure hope not.

fine, let me rephrase:

Europe has already done a lot of humanitarian aid and work and offered asylum for numerous refugees. What else? Military intervention? For what purpose?

The arab league is already sponsoring one side of the civil war, the islamist side. If they win, there will be a genocide of christians, which are around 30% of the population, in the name of allah. The EU cannot step in to support Assad, he has went waaaay past the deep end. So who is there to support? there are just 2 sides. The illegitimate ruler assad or the rebel islamist genocidal forces. Neither option is any good. There is just 1 option the west can take. Go in and wipe the floor with both and then oversee the installation of a new democratically elected official who is a reformer. But where will you find such a reformer? Egypt overthrew it's dictator and elected an islamist and even now, as millions take the streets demanding new elections, and after they threw Morsi out, there is nobody in the candidate pool that is a real reformer. Centuries of islam have crippled the political landscape. If they can't find one in Egypt, what are the odds of finding one in Syria?

Better? Still doesn't undermine my position. The only good kind of intervention is full blown intervention because both sides in the civil war are rotten.

 

[CanadaJohn]

Hey...this would be an IDEAL scenario for Canada to take the lead on. Handle it!

Actually, Canada has expressed zero interest in getting involved in military action in Syria. As usual, however, we may get dragged in by an overzealous US President in trouble on the homefront and then we'll also have to spend decades cleaning up the mess and/or keeping the peace while that President retires to the speaking circuit.

 

[CRUE CAB]

The whole world knows that Israel and USA are like peas and carrots. :wink2:

Then lets do this.
Invade Cuba, take it over. Imprison the Castro family.
Airlift everyone that wants to out of Israel and take them to Cuba.
Rename Cuba Israel. Or Isle de Israeli. Or Grand Israeli Island.
THEN !!!!!!!!!!!!
Reopen the hotels, casinos, resorts and party like rock stars.
Whatcha think about that?

 

[radioman]

The United States has added Cuba, Libya and Syria to the nations it claims are deliberately seeking to obtain chemical or biological weapons.

Bolton: singled out Cuba for particular criticism

In a speech entitled "Beyond the Axis of Evil", US Under Secretary of State, John Bolton said that the three nations could be grouped

BBC News | AMERICAS | US expands 'axis of evil'

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Bolton??
Now there's a blast from the past.
That guy was in favor of invading every country.
Hopefully, we won't have a George Tenet type telling Obama......

"...WMD's used by Assad?...it's a slam dunk Mr. President...."

 

[Hard Truth]

What if the inspectors find that the Syrians didn´t use chemical weapons? That would ruin our best justification for getting into another war. We didn´t wait for the truth in Iraq, and look at how well that worked out. The profits for our weapons suppliers and other contractors were incredible. We can´t waste this great opportunity. Especially since it could lead to a world war with Russia and China and the Muslims. It could fulfill Biblical prophecy!




(irony alert)

 

[Andalublue]

Perhaps more accurate would have been that Assad the elder and Sadaam were like minded, ruthless, Baathists whose minority parties ruled over the majorities in their countries with an iron fist. They had much in common, with the exception of Iran - Iran and the enemies/friends it kept was the one demonstrable difference between the two regimes and Assad the younger is carrying on his father's tradition.

No, Saddam broke off close relations with Hafez Al-Assad after ousting Hassan Al-Bakr, Saddam's mentor and Ba'athist party leader. Both Assads had pretty awful relations with Saddam throughout his reign.

 

[Hard Truth]

Frankly...my biggest concern is that Obama has shown himself to be such a complete ****-up when it comes to being the CiC that fear based paralysis for him is a far better option than making an actual decision. I worry that he is looking at his overall dismal track record and thinks...heh...THIS will fix EVERYTHING...

See Barrack 'lead'...

Its a tragic childrens book.

Doing nothing is the best option.

 

[CRUE CAB]

Doing nothing is the best option.

No, now Barry wants his own war. Them hand me down wars from the Bush years are just not as much fun.

 

[Canell]

Whatcha think about that?

I don't mind but I think the Israelis insist too much on their Third temple which can only be in Jerusalem.

 

[Montecresto]

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Bolton??
Now there's a blast from the past.
That guy was in favor of invading every country.
Hopefully, we won't have a George Tenet type telling Obama......

"...WMD's used by Assad?...it's a slam dunk Mr. President...."

That is for sure.

 

[Montecresto]

What if the inspectors find that the Syrians didn´t use chemical weapons? That would ruin our best justification for getting into another war. We didn´t wait for the truth in Iraq, and look at how well that worked out. The profits for our weapons suppliers and other contractors were incredible. We can´t waste this great opportunity. Especially since it could lead to a world war with Russia and China and the Muslims. It could fulfill Biblical prophecy!




(irony alert)

You got it. They absolutely want the Assad government to be blamed for the use of chemical weapons, and if they can't, make it up anyway. Fix the intelligence around the policy.

 

[Montecresto]

Hacked e-mails reveal ‘Washington approved’ plan to stage Syria chemical attack
Posted on August 3, 2013 by Womens Rights Advocate
Cyber War News released a cache of e-mails allegedly hacked by someone in Malaysia from a British private defense contractor called Britam Defence.



http://friendsofsyria.wordpress.com...approved-plan-to-stage-syria-chemical-attack/

 

[Montecresto]

Following last week’s chemical attack, the West has engineered a media campaign to facilitate a military incursion, says Russia’s Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov. The minister also cast doubts on the veracity of US and European claims about the incident.

“Official Washington, London and Paris say they have incontrovertible evidence that the Syrian government is behind the chemical attack in Damascus, but they have not yet presented this evidence. Yet, they keep saying that the ‘red line’ has been crossed,” Lavrov said during an emergency press conference in Moscow.

“Now, we are hearing calls for a military campaign against Bashar Assad.”

Lavrov said that the US, Britain and other countries have assembled a “powerful force” and are “readying their ships and planes” for a possible invasion.

The minister said that the development set the world on a "perilous path" and warned that “repeating the Iraqi and Lybyan scenario” and bringing in outside forces, would be a “terrible mistake that will lead to more blood being spilt”.

The minister reserved particular outrage for the newly-mooted possibility of NATO staging a strike on chemical storage facilities without a United Nations mandate.


http://rt.com/news/lavrov-syria-press-conference-003/