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Attack Syria Now!!

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Law makers appearing on Fox News Sunday have said we need to move now (with a cruise missle attack) the Assad government however has agreed to allow the UN inspectors in because they are eager to show the world that they have not used chemical weapons. But lo and behold, the al Qaida affiliated insurgents have been using snipers to attack UN inspectors, prompting a halt in inspections. Of course, because they are responsible for the recent chemical attack. Clearly, US foreign policy objectives for Syria are going to trump reality on the ground, as we have all seen before. And Russia issued a stern warning that the US had best not repeat mistakes of the past.


http://www.foxnews.com/politics/201...e-doubt-assad-used-chemical-weapon-on-syrian/
 

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The misinformed cannot serve the under informed. The rebels have been caught using chemical weapons a second time in Syria. Let's smack those mothers now. Al Queda scum, misanthropes and US intelligence operatives and weapons.. We'll help those Syrians by killing lots of them of all ages. We'll smack their dirt with lots of DU for the future gene pool, and put the Willy Pete to the homebodies. Yessir! Maximums of mayhem, cargo loads of chaos, caskets full of bodies of all sizes. Oh Yeh! War is good for business and business is gonna be good.
 

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The misinformed cannot serve the under informed. The rebels have been caught using chemical weapons a second time in Syria. Let's smack those mothers now. Al Queda scum, misanthropes and US intelligence operatives and weapons.. We'll help those Syrians by killing lots of them of all ages. We'll smack their dirt with lots of DU for the future gene pool, and put the Willy Pete to the homebodies. Yessir! Maximums of mayhem, cargo loads of chaos, caskets full of bodies of all sizes. Oh Yeh! War is good for business and business is gonna be good.
The fact is we dont even know what we dont know at this time in Syria. So I am all for A-letting the UN take point and B-when they figure it out, let the UN, Europe, and others 'handle' this one. While its true the innocent civilians are caught in the middle, there are no good guys in this fight.
 

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Law makers appearing on Fox News Sunday have said we need to move now (with a cruise missle attack) the Assad government however has agreed to allow the UN inspectors in because they are eager to show the world that they have not used chemical weapons. But lo and behold, the al Qaida affiliated insurgents have been using snipers to attack UN inspectors, prompting a halt in inspections. Of course, because they are responsible for the recent chemical attack. Clearly, US foreign policy objectives for Syria are going to trump reality on the ground, as we have all seen before. And Russia issued a stern warning that the US had best not repeat mistakes of the past.


As Obama appears closer to Syria response, Congress now urges caution | Fox News

Can you explain to me why the western world has any responsabilities towards Syria? Europe has already done a lot of humanitarian aid and work and offered asylum for numerous refugees. What else? Military intervention? For what purpose?

The arab league is already sponsoring one side of the civil war, the islamist side. If they win, there will be a genocide of christians, which are around 30% of the population, in the name of allah. The US cannot step in to support Assad, he has went waaaay past the deep end. So who is there to support? there are just 2 sides. The illegitimate ruler assad or the rebel islamist genocidal forces. Neither option is any good. There is just 1 option the west can take. Go in and wipe the floor with both and then oversee the installation of a new democratically elected official who is a reformer. But where will you find such a reformer? Egypt overthrew it's dictator and elected an islamist and even now, as millions take the streets demanding new elections, and after they threw Morsi out, there is nobody in the candidate pool that is a real reformer. Centuries of islam have crippled the political landscape. If they can't find one in Egypt, what are the odds of finding one in Syria?
 

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The fact is we dont even know what we dont know at this time in Syria. So I am all for A-letting the UN take point and B-when they figure it out, let the UN, Europe, and others 'handle' this one. While its true the innocent civilians are caught in the middle, there are no good guys in this fight.

Well yeah, that's essentially my point, too. But that won't happen.
 

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Can you explain to me why the western world has any responsabilities towards Syria? Europe has already done a lot of humanitarian aid and work and offered asylum for numerous refugees. What else? Military intervention? For what purpose?

The arab league is already sponsoring one side of the civil war, the islamist side. If they win, there will be a genocide of christians, which are around 30% of the population, in the name of allah. The US cannot step in to support Assad, he has went waaaay past the deep end. So who is there to support? there are just 2 sides. The illegitimate ruler assad or the rebel islamist genocidal forces. Neither option is any good. There is just 1 option the west can take. Go in and wipe the floor with both and then oversee the installation of a new democratically elected official who is a reformer. But where will you find such a reformer? Egypt overthrew it's dictator and elected an islamist and even now, as millions take the streets demanding new elections, and after they threw Morsi out, there is nobody in the candidate pool that is a real reformer. Centuries of islam have crippled the political landscape. If they can't find one in Egypt, what are the odds of finding one in Syria?

Rain, I think your misunderstanding me. Does my op leave the impression that I support US involvement in Syria? I sure hope not.
 

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The fact is we dont even know what we dont know at this time in Syria. So I am all for A-letting the UN take point and B-when they figure it out, let the UN, Europe, and others 'handle' this one. While its true the innocent civilians are caught in the middle, there are no good guys in this fight.

Heya VM. :2wave: Well we know the Brits are saying there doesn't have to be a UN Mandate.

Syria crisis: UK and US move closer to intervention
Foreign secretary says Britain and allies could intervene in Syria without the authority of United Nations.....

Britain and the US are inching towards a military attack against the regime of Bashar al-Assad after William Hague said all other options have failed over the past year.

As the Syrian president said the US would face failure if it intervened in his country, the UK foreign secretary said Britain and its allies could intervene without the authority of the UN.

Hague, who insisted Britain shared a common position with the US and France, told BBC Radio 4's Today programme: "We have tried those other methods, the diplomatic methods, and we will continue to try those. But they have failed so far."

Russia and China are likely to veto any UN security council resolution authorising military action, but Hague said such a move could be legal under international law even without UN approval.

"It is possible to take action based on great humanitarian need and humanitarian distress. It is possible to do that under many different scenarios," he said. "But anything we propose to do, the strong response we have talked about, whatever form that takes, will be subject to legal advice, must be in accordance international law.".....snip~

Syria crisis: UK and US move closer to intervention | World news | theguardian.com

http://www.debatepolitics.com/polls/170842-should-west-go-war-syria-2.html#post1062234794
 

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The West should calm down now. :)
And mind it's own problems, which are not small at all. :peace
 

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If one must pick a side to support, Assad is clearly the lesser of the two evils. And how is it exactly that Assad has gone waaaaay too far? A US in outraged insurgency, trained and armed in part by the CIA is threatening the syrian government and their not going to defend their perceived right to exist. Do you think that if Syria instigated a home grown insurgency here and trained and armed it that the government wouldn't defend itself? And how might the US government feel toward Syria. This is why Russia is asserting itself so much here.
 

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The West should calm down now. :)
And mind it's own problems, which are not small at all. :peace

I agree. One of our biggest problems is in believing that we not only could, but should police the world. It's one of the reasons for the large gulf between the western and eastern worlds.
 

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Law makers appearing on Fox News Sunday have said we need to move now (with a cruise missle attack) the Assad government however has agreed to allow the UN inspectors in because they are eager to show the world that they have not used chemical weapons. But lo and behold, the al Qaida affiliated insurgents have been using snipers to attack UN inspectors, prompting a halt in inspections. Of course, because they are responsible for the recent chemical attack. Clearly, US foreign policy objectives for Syria are going to trump reality on the ground, as we have all seen before. And Russia issued a stern warning that the US had best not repeat mistakes of the past.


As Obama appears closer to Syria response, Congress now urges caution | Fox News

Its not going to happen for all the reasons here. Unless the Russians move out of the way.

http://www.debatepolitics.com/polls/170842-should-west-go-war-syria-2.html#post1062234794

and here.....


Russia: No proof Syria govt behind chemical strike

Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov says Western nations calling for military action against Syria have no proof that the Syrian government is behind the alleged chemical weapons attack.

Lavrov said in a televised news conference on Monday that the countries calling for action "cannot provide evidence" of the chemical weapons attack , and have assumed the role of "both investigators and the U.N. Security Council" in probing the incident.

Lavrov blamed Syrian opposition for manipulating reports of the attack in order to derail a peace conference on Syria.

Russia: No proof Syria govt behind chemical strike
Associated Press – 18 mins ago <<<<<

Then this morning.

Moscow warns US against Syria military action.....


Military action against the Syrian regime would be a "tragic mistake," Russia said Sunday, warning the West not to preempt the results of a UN probe into alleged deadly chemical attacks.

Moscow warned there was a danger of history repeating itself a decade after the US-led invasion of Iraq, which it opposed, and urged the United States to refrain from any reckless decision.

"We strongly urge those who, by attempting to impose their own results on the UN experts, are raising the possibility of a military operation in Syria to use their common sense and refrain from committing a tragic mistake," foreign ministry spokesman Alexander Lukashevich said in a statement.

"We are satisfied with the Syrian leadership's constructive approach towards ensuring an effective cooperation with the UN mission," the spokesman said.

Russia -- which together with Iran and China has supported Assad throughout the 29-month-old Syrian crisis -- urged the rebel camp to guarantee the safety of the UN team lead by professor Aake Sellstroem......snip~

Moscow warns US against Syria military action

http://www.debatepolitics.com/break...3-navy-ready-launch-first-strike-syria-3.html
http://www.debatepolitics.com/gener...obama-moves-us-naval-forces-closer-syria.html
 

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Law makers appearing on Fox News Sunday have said we need to move now (with a cruise missle attack) the Assad government however has agreed to allow the UN inspectors in because they are eager to show the world that they have not used chemical weapons. But lo and behold, the al Qaida affiliated insurgents have been using snipers to attack UN inspectors, prompting a halt in inspections. Of course, because they are responsible for the recent chemical attack. Clearly, US foreign policy objectives for Syria are going to trump reality on the ground, as we have all seen before. And Russia issued a stern warning that the US had best not repeat mistakes of the past.


As Obama appears closer to Syria response, Congress now urges caution | Fox News

What, exactly, are the US "foreign policy objectives for Syria"?
 

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Heya VM. :2wave: Well we know the Brits are saying there doesn't have to be a UN Mandate.

Syria crisis: UK and US move closer to intervention
Foreign secretary says Britain and allies could intervene in Syria without the authority of United Nations.....

Britain and the US are inching towards a military attack against the regime of Bashar al-Assad after William Hague said all other options have failed over the past year.

As the Syrian president said the US would face failure if it intervened in his country, the UK foreign secretary said Britain and its allies could intervene without the authority of the UN.

Hague, who insisted Britain shared a common position with the US and France, told BBC Radio 4's Today programme: "We have tried those other methods, the diplomatic methods, and we will continue to try those. But they have failed so far."

Russia and China are likely to veto any UN security council resolution authorising military action, but Hague said such a move could be legal under international law even without UN approval.

"It is possible to take action based on great humanitarian need and humanitarian distress. It is possible to do that under many different scenarios," he said. "But anything we propose to do, the strong response we have talked about, whatever form that takes, will be subject to legal advice, must be in accordance international law.".....snip~

Syria crisis: UK and US move closer to intervention | World news | theguardian.com

http://www.debatepolitics.com/polls/170842-should-west-go-war-syria-2.html#post1062234794

Oh yes of course. Every time we ask the UN for authorisation to start killing people and destroying property and they say no, then they get marginalised, and we start hearing how insignificant they are, and we really don't need their permission anyway. Kinda like when Bush told them to get beside us or get behind us.
 

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Its not going to happen for all the reasons here. Unless the Russians move out of the way.

http://www.debatepolitics.com/polls/170842-should-west-go-war-syria-2.html#post1062234794

and here.....


Russia: No proof Syria govt behind chemical strike

Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov says Western nations calling for military action against Syria have no proof that the Syrian government is behind the alleged chemical weapons attack.

Lavrov said in a televised news conference on Monday that the countries calling for action "cannot provide evidence" of the chemical weapons attack , and have assumed the role of "both investigators and the U.N. Security Council" in probing the incident.

Lavrov blamed Syrian opposition for manipulating reports of the attack in order to derail a peace conference on Syria.

Russia: No proof Syria govt behind chemical strike
Associated Press – 18 mins ago <<<<<

Then this morning.

Moscow warns US against Syria military action.....


Military action against the Syrian regime would be a "tragic mistake," Russia said Sunday, warning the West not to preempt the results of a UN probe into alleged deadly chemical attacks.

Moscow warned there was a danger of history repeating itself a decade after the US-led invasion of Iraq, which it opposed, and urged the United States to refrain from any reckless decision.

"We strongly urge those who, by attempting to impose their own results on the UN experts, are raising the possibility of a military operation in Syria to use their common sense and refrain from committing a tragic mistake," foreign ministry spokesman Alexander Lukashevich said in a statement.

"We are satisfied with the Syrian leadership's constructive approach towards ensuring an effective cooperation with the UN mission," the spokesman said.

Russia -- which together with Iran and China has supported Assad throughout the 29-month-old Syrian crisis -- urged the rebel camp to guarantee the safety of the UN team lead by professor Aake Sellstroem......snip~

Moscow warns US against Syria military action

http://www.debatepolitics.com/break...3-navy-ready-launch-first-strike-syria-3.html
http://www.debatepolitics.com/gener...obama-moves-us-naval-forces-closer-syria.html

I agree. And it's my hope that Russia and China don't move out of the way.
 

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Heya VM. :2wave: Well we know the Brits are saying there doesn't have to be a UN Mandate.

Syria crisis: UK and US move closer to intervention
Foreign secretary says Britain and allies could intervene in Syria without the authority of United Nations.....

Britain and the US are inching towards a military attack against the regime of Bashar al-Assad after William Hague said all other options have failed over the past year.

As the Syrian president said the US would face failure if it intervened in his country, the UK foreign secretary said Britain and its allies could intervene without the authority of the UN.

Hague, who insisted Britain shared a common position with the US and France, told BBC Radio 4's Today programme: "We have tried those other methods, the diplomatic methods, and we will continue to try those. But they have failed so far."

Russia and China are likely to veto any UN security council resolution authorising military action, but Hague said such a move could be legal under international law even without UN approval.

"It is possible to take action based on great humanitarian need and humanitarian distress. It is possible to do that under many different scenarios," he said. "But anything we propose to do, the strong response we have talked about, whatever form that takes, will be subject to legal advice, must be in accordance international law.".....snip~

Syria crisis: UK and US move closer to intervention | World news | theguardian.com

http://www.debatepolitics.com/polls/170842-should-west-go-war-syria-2.html#post1062234794
Frankly...my biggest concern is that Obama has shown himself to be such a complete ****-up when it comes to being the CiC that fear based paralysis for him is a far better option than making an actual decision. I worry that he is looking at his overall dismal track record and thinks...heh...THIS will fix EVERYTHING...

See Barrack 'lead'...

Its a tragic childrens book.
 

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Please, someone tell me what is so important in the middle east that we need to keep sending men to die for?
Oil? Na, we have plenty right here and in ally nations that dont want to kill us.
M.E. stability? Yea, thats never going to happen.
Save Israel? Time they start fending for themselves.
Every thing points to mans final conflict starting and ending there. We seem to be begging to be the match to light it all off.
 

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What, exactly, are the US "foreign policy objectives for Syria"?

Mornin CJ. :2wave: There is only one.....which is to give the Country to the Sunni Muslims backed by the MB. The FSA and their National Council are all backed by the MB and Salafists.
 

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What, exactly, are the US "foreign policy objectives for Syria"?

The syrian government has been in the crosshairs of US foreign policy for years. They were added, along with Libya, to the "axis of evil" (make that claim and you can do whatever you wish to a country) a long time ago.
 

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I agree. And it's my hope that Russia and China don't move out of the way.

Heya MC.....I keep asking what does all do if Russia puts up a blockade. They wouldn't even have to fire one shot. Then who in the West will start WWIII over Syria and or some Sunni Muslims.
 

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The syrian government has been in the crosshairs of US foreign policy for years. They were added, along with Libya, to the "axis of evil" (make that claim and you can do whatever you wish to a country) a long time ago.

The US isn't doing anything to Syria and I fail to see what they would or might do that is in the best interests of the US and/or its allies.
 

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I truely hope that everyone that thinks we need to wage war in Syria, is at the recruitment centers in the morning.
 

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Please, someone tell me what is so important in the middle east that we need to keep sending men to die for?

Israel.
It is as simple as that. :?
 

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Frankly...my biggest concern is that Obama has shown himself to be such a complete ****-up when it comes to being the CiC that fear based paralysis for him is a far better option than making an actual decision. I worry that he is looking at his overall dismal track record and thinks...heh...THIS will fix EVERYTHING...

See Barrack 'lead'...

Its a tragic childrens book.

Well.....he has been listening to the French a lot lately. Just sayin. :shock:

Now you know where he gets that Lead from behind BS.
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