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Atlas Shrugged in the works. Yes again.

The East India Tea company was basically the government. At certain concentrations of wealth, the two are not easily distinguishable. Take a look at the space Samsung occupies in South Korea as a modern example.

"And capitalist exploitation of the third world has also killed millions."

Please explain how Samsung fits into this.
 
This isn’t an either/or proposition.

There are plenty of examples of companies doing the calculations of profit vs harm their product can cause.

A Whatabout doesn’t change that.
Heck, even the algorithms that match a consumer to product on things like Amazon or AWS are a modern and successful example of central planning. It serves exactly the same function that gosplan did.
 
This isn’t an either/or proposition.

There are plenty of examples of companies doing the calculations of profit vs harm their product can cause.

A Whatabout doesn’t change that.
Thank you. I think we agree market capitalism has, far and away, the best record of improving the human condition worldwide than any other economic system known to man. The only difference is that I'm willing to say it openly.
 
"And capitalist exploitation of the third world has also killed millions."

Please explain how Samsung fits into this.
Samsung basically is the government in South Korea, a society that is currently in the process of failing (look at birth rates) and it is failing due to hyper capitalistic social dislocation and alienation due to the work culture.
 
The IRS. They sent me a letter: Pay up or go to prison. Since I prefer my freedom over the money, I pay up.
Why not self deport? Or disappear? Live off the land. You don't need the heavy chains of society and the infrastructure/support that comes with it.
 
Man. That is quite a stretch.

Rand puts on a death train… saying that everyone who is on the train deserves to die… a housewife who she deems to be ignorant of politics but votes for politicians that she knows nothing about to control industries that she doesn’t understand.

In recent news… Donald J Trump negotiated a golden share of the US Steel deal.
 
There is a difference between socialism and something that is socialized. And given Marxist socialism's track record, I've already been too kind in this thread. When put into practice, it's nothing less than a human sausage grinder.
Ayn Rand didn’t like mixed economies.

She would have put all of those people to death.
 
Thank you. I think we agree market capitalism has, far and away, the best record of improving the human condition worldwide than any other economic system known to man. The only difference is that I'm willing to say it openly.
The US is heading more towards Ayn Rand’s dream than not… well half of the dream…. The rich libertarian anti government tech bros are going to get paid a lot of government money.
 
Samsung basically is the government in South Korea, a society that is currently in the process of failing (look at birth rates) and it is failing due to hyper capitalistic social dislocation and alienation due to the work culture.
The Cheabols are basically a modern Korean form of feudalism.
 
The Cheabols are basically a modern Korean form of feudalism.
I just wish people would be honest about the benefits and problems of capitalism and shed either/or thinking. Every ism has problems and we will not come up with better ideas until people are honest. Capitalism is a great source of innovation and technology but it has killed millions through things like pollution, artificial scarcity, monopolization, government corruption, etc. I mean look at what the Koch’s did against mass transit systems and the harm that caused.
 
Thank you. I think we agree market capitalism has, far and away, the best record of improving the human condition worldwide than any other economic system known to man. The only difference is that I'm willing to say it openly.
We had that system back in the late 1800s.
It pretty much sucked for most, with a 70 hour workweek, child labor, etc.

Market capitalism is great when you put guardrails on it.
 
And capitalist exploitation of the third world has also killed millions. There’s blood on both sides.

I think you'll find most of that was, ultimately, at the hands of authoritarian governments and not a product of market forces. The East India Company, for example, did not compete in a market.

In the case of Latin America, who was supporting those authoritarian governments? Weren’t they considered a defense against communism, allowing US corporations to exploit natural resources unmolested by displaced campesinos, and savagely underpaid workers.

Eduardo Galeano extensively documented the rape of natural resources and exploitation / ruin of local populations by US Corporations in his Open Veins of Latin America.

 
Samsung basically is the government in South Korea, a society that is currently in the process of failing (look at birth rates) and it is failing due to hyper capitalistic social dislocation and alienation due to the work culture.
You've not addressed the point. Read my post again.
 
The US is heading more towards Ayn Rand’s dream than not… well half of the dream…. The rich libertarian anti government tech bros are going to get paid a lot of government money.
Sorry, no. The size and scope of the federal government has been going in only one direction for the last 60 years: bigger.
 
No it is a world like ours where fake social BS runs rampant and destroys productive society. It is a hot peace on socialism. Well deserved.
 
I believe it is entirely reasonable for someone to earn ten times -- or even a thousands of times -- more than "other competent" folks and I don't believe in supermen. I do believe in value creation and in markets, and that's enough.

It seems like you believe in Lex Luthor, not Superman. Lex Luthor is a job creator.
 
Sorry, no. The size and scope of the federal government has been going in only one direction for the last 60 years: bigger.

Isn't that good for businesses like defence contractors?
 
She is not saying that. You've misunderstood that part of the book.
Then what is the point?

She states in the book that that there are "those" who say the passengers that she lists off were not responsible or guilty for what is about to happen to them.... then she lists off a bunch of people whose ideology is antithetical to Objectivism.

So why did she decide to write about those people dying? Remember... she made all of this up. Ot was her choice to put it in there.
 
Sorry, no. The size and scope of the federal government has been going in only one direction for the last 60 years: bigger.
It has been heading in the direction where the richest among us get richer and richer from sucking at the government teat.

The funniest thing is that the ones who are doing this are anti government libertatarian types.

Behind every anti government libertarian tech bro is an enormous government contract.
 
No it is a world like ours where fake social BS runs rampant and destroys productive society. It is a hot peace on socialism. Well deserved.
Dude... in the book John Galt creates a free energy engine.

Have you read the book?

Does anyone understand what a source of free energy would do for human civilization?
 
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