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Far more than "preserve." I would argue modern western values were shaped by, and remain rooted in, Christianity.
Far more than "preserve." I would argue modern western values were shaped by, and remain rooted in, Christianity.And yet Christianity ultimately transformed the empirical policies of Rome and helped to preserve Western values.
The roots of western values can be more easily traced to Aristotle, Locke, Russou, and Hobbes, then Christianity. For example, the right to free speech is not mentioned anywhere in The Bible, for example.Far more than "preserve." I would argue modern western values were shaped by, and remain rooted in, Christianity.
Christianity is not the exclusive source of modern western values, certainly, but a case can be made that it's had as big an influence as any other single institution. Just look at the examples you cited: they span three different cultures and 2000 years. It's also likely Locke, Russou, and Hobbes were each educated in a system heavily influenced by Christian teaching.The roots of western values can be more easily traced to Aristotle, Locke, Russou, and Hobbes, then Christianity. For example, the right to free speech is not mentioned anywhere in The Bible, for example.
Modern Western values are rooted in Christianity."Far more than "preserve." I would argue modern western values were shaped by, and remain rooted in, Christianity.
1 And lo, the people cried out, “Verily, our values are pure, for they are rooted in the Lord’s sacred word!”
2 But the scrolls did say unto them: “Yea, thou shalt smite the Canaanites, yea even unto the children and cattle.”
3 And they did rejoice in slavery, and called it righteousness.
4 And they gave daughters unto old men, and called it obedience.
5 And the stoning of women was counted as justice, and the burning of witches as divine pastime.
6 For the Lord is merciful... but only if thou art born in the right tribe, speaketh the right tongue, and avoid shellfish.
7 And when the people questioned the logic of infinite torment for finite sin, the priests answered, “Shut up, it’s holy.”
8 Thus were the values of the West forged in the sacred fires of paradox and poetic cruelty, and blessed be the ones who do not read the footnotes.
That's quite a tenuous connection you are pointing to. "Its in the ether!"Christianity is not the exclusive source of modern western values, certainly, but a case can be made that it's had as big an influence as any other single institution. Just look at the examples you cited: they span three different cultures and 2000 years. It's also likely Locke, Russou, and Hobbes were each educated in a system heavily influenced by Christian teaching.
Most institutions 2000 years ago were forged amidst those pathologies. Yet the concepts we consider today to be basic human rights were (mostly) first articulated by men (and a few women) who were products of Christian cultures.Who doesn’t love a value system forged in the fires of slavery, genocide, child sacrifice, ritual stoning, and divine temper tantrums?
Far more than "preserve." I would argue modern western values were shaped by, and remain rooted in, Christianity.
By the same logic, we can say that Ghengis Khan is the progenitor of Western values. At least then we can point to something concrete, like DNA.Most institutions 2000 years ago were forged amidst those pathologies. Yet the concepts we consider today to be basic human rights were (mostly) first articulated by men (and a few women) who were products of Christian cultures.
Yes. Western Civilization was and is built on Christianity and the works of Plato and Aristotle.Far more than "preserve." I would argue modern western values were shaped by, and remain rooted in, Christianity.
And therefore Western Civilization was built on worship of Jupiter and various Pharaohs along with state mandated orgies. The obviousness of the selective reasoning is laughable.Yes. Western Civilization was and is built on Christianity and the works of Plato and Aristotle.
No.And therefore Western Civilization was built on worship of Jupiter and various Pharaohs.
Its either built on the stuff its built from or it isn't. Christianity was present at the start of Western culture, as was various Germanic cultures, Roman culture, Greek culture, parts of Egyptian culture, Middle Eastern culture, and other influences. Why are you not venerating Nero or Boudica?
Western Civilization is founded on and in Christianity and the political and natural philosophy of Plato and Aristotle. Nothing more and nothing less.It’s either built on the stuff its built from or it isn't. Christian was present at the start of Western culture, as was various Germanic cultures, Roman culture, Greek culture, parts of Egyptian culture, Middle Eastern culture, and other influences. Why are you not venerating Nero or Boudica?
That's obviously not true. We have Christmas trees. Now its fine that we do since Paul was cool with Christians adapting to a local culture, but there is a clear and obvious separation here.Western Civilization is founded on and in Christianity and the political and natural philosophy of Plato and Aristotle. Nothing more and nothing less.
The West did not transition from nomadic barbarians to civilization because of Christmas trees.That's obviously not true. We have Christmas trees. Now its fine that we do since Paul was cool with Christians adapting to a local culture, but there is a clear and obvious separation here.
Any number of cultures have transitioned from nomadic barbarians to a more complex and prosperous society without the help of Christianity. That's obviously not it either. That's just the standard evolution of society.The West did not transition from nomadic barbarians to civilization because of Christmas trees.
Which doesn’t change the fact that Western Civilization is indisputably founded on and in Christianity and the political and natural philosophy of Plato and Aristotle.Any number of cultures have transitioned from nomadic barbarians to a more complex and prosperous society without the help of Christianity. That's obviously not it either.
As was various Germanic cultures, Roman culture, Greek culture, parts of Egyptian culture, Middle Eastern culture, and other influences. We've already covered this. The thing that gets me is that Western culture celebrates atomization and greed while the Bible is very much against those two things. That's quite a heritage!Which doesn’t change the fact that Western Civilization is indisputably founded on and in Christianity and the political and natural philosophy of Plato and Aristotle.
Incorrect.As was various Germanic cultures, Roman culture, Greek culture, parts of Egyptian culture, Middle Eastern culture, and other influences. We've already covered this.
You might want to start examining the foundations of your beliefs a little more thoroughly if this is the best you can do. I am not an expert at this stuff, but am easily able to disprove your thesis while you are reduced to one word answers. My hope for you is that you lean more into the Christianity part and really think about what the Bible says about a lot of current Western values. I will give an example, usury is the foundation of much of our economy and isn't looked at so kindly by God.Incorrect.
You are able to disprove the indisputable fact that Western Civilization is founded on and in Christianity and the political and natural philosophy of Plato and Aristotle? By all means, show us with citations.You might want to start examining the foundations of your beliefs a little more thoroughly if this is the best you can do. I am not an expert at this stuff, but am easily able to disprove your thesis while you are reduced to one word answers. My hope for you is that you lean more into the Christianity part and really think about what the Bible says about a lot of current Western values. I will give an example, usury is the foundation of our economy and isn't looked at so kindly by God.
Jesus threw the moneylenders out of the temple to make more room for the TrumpCoin stall. MAGA-fact.You might want to start examining the foundations of your beliefs a little more thoroughly if this is the best you can do. I am not an expert at this stuff, but am easily able to disprove your thesis while you are reduced to one word answers. My hope for you is that you lean more into the Christianity part and really think about what the Bible says about a lot of current Western values. I will give an example, usury is the foundation of much of our economy and isn't looked at so kindly by God.
Here is another example. None of the natural rights enshrined in the Constitution and Magna Carta are mentioned in the Bible, yet this is the foundation of many western legal systems (with norms being adopted throughout Europe). Another example is Democracy, which is also not mentioned in the Bible. Another example is that marriage is looked at pretty dimly by Paul.You are able to disprove the indisputable fact that Western Civilization is founded on and in Christianity and the political and natural philosophy of Plato and Aristotle? By all means, show us.
Yet they are rooted in the Christian theology and political philosophy of the Middle Ages.Here is another example. None of the natural rights enshrined in the Constitution and Magna Carta are not mentioned in the Bible.
Then show me where they are in the Bible or even early church practices.Yet they are rooted in Christian theology and political philosophy.
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