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Was that demonstrated, or are you just saying that?
It was demonstrated two months ago. His suspension without pay in November of last year was triggered by a number of complaints to the firefighters union, mayor's office, and city council by his subordinates who received the book in the workplace.
Quantify that.
Those communications are confidential and the exact number has not been publicized.
Those communications are confidential and the exact number has not been publicized.
So we don't really know. We have a "number" but no value and no statistics to prove that performance had been evaluated and had a marked and resolvable drop due to this incident.
…and, in fact, no usable evidence to support the claim that was made.
Matthew 10 New International Version (NIV)
16 “I am sending you out like sheep among wolves. Therefore be as shrewd as snakes and as innocent as doves. 17 Be on your guard; you will be handed over to the local councils and be flogged in the synagogues. 18 On my account you will be brought before governors and kings as witnesses to them and to the Gentiles. 19 But when they arrest you, do not worry about what to say or how to say it. At that time you will be given what to say, 20 for it will not be you speaking, but the Spirit of your Father speaking through you.
21 “Brother will betray brother to death, and a father his child; children will rebel against their parents and have them put to death. 22 You will be hated by everyone because of me, but the one who stands firm to the end will be saved. 23 When you are persecuted in one place, flee to another. Truly I tell you, you will not finish going through the towns of Israel before the Son of Man comes.
24 “The student is not above the teacher, nor a servant above his master. 25 It is enough for students to be like their teachers, and servants like their masters. If the head of the house has been called Beelzebul, how much more the members of his household!
26 “So do not be afraid of them, for there is nothing concealed that will not be disclosed, or hidden that will not be made known. 27 What I tell you in the dark, speak in the daylight; what is whispered in your ear, proclaim from the roofs. 28 Do not be afraid of those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. Rather, be afraid of the One who can destroy both soul and body in hell. 29 Are not two sparrows sold for a penny? Yet not one of them will fall to the ground outside your Father’s care. 30 And even the very hairs of your head are all numbered. 31 So don’t be afraid; you are worth more than many sparrows.
32 “Whoever acknowledges me before others, I will also acknowledge before my Father in heaven. 33 But whoever disowns me before others, I will disown before my Father in heaven.
34 “Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I did not come to bring peace, but a sword. 35 For I have come to turn
“‘a man against his father,
a daughter against her mother,
a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law—
36 a man’s enemies will be the members of his own household.’[c]
37 “Anyone who loves their father or mother more than me is not worthy of me; anyone who loves their son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me. 38 Whoever does not take up their cross and follow me is not worthy of me. 39 Whoever finds their life will lose it, and whoever loses their life for my sake will find it.
40 “Anyone who welcomes you welcomes me, and anyone who welcomes me welcomes the one who sent me. 41 Whoever welcomes a prophet as a prophet will receive a prophet’s reward, and whoever welcomes a righteous person as a righteous person will receive a righteous person’s reward. 42 And if anyone gives even a cup of cold water to one of these little ones who is my disciple, truly I tell you, that person will certainly not lose their reward.”
1.) yep you are correct i point out facts all the time
2.) thank you for reposting it and again n no matter how you try to twist by DEFINITION its not a strawman. . .I made a request for people to do . . . .i made no "false argument"
everything you claimed that i said besides my Actual qoute i did not, YOU assumed it and invented it.
nobody honest, educated an objective will ever by what you MADE UP on top of my post lol
YOU dont get to decided what i "really" mean and invent hidden definiton, that the BS you made up in your own head that was NEVER said as proven my qoute.
WOW nothing like totally owning your own post.
thank you for proving i didn't post any strawman.
your post fails, loses and gets destroyed and as always facts win again.
Your false claims are 0 and lifetime against me and facts.
fact remains by definition i made ZERO strawman
also thank you for calling me out totally embarrassing your own false claim, that was awesome! Please continue your lie and make up some more stuff i never said, I can wait i love it!
Yep, exactly right on cue!
I'll let me post stand as it was correct, and you just look foolish as always.
Tim-
I may sometimes seem to split hairs, but I don't do it to be disagreeable. I didn't see you identify the case you cited, but I think the Hatch Act of 1939 and the partisan political advocacy by government employees it meant to restrict form a special, distinct issue that isn't all that relevant here. Cases on sexual harassment in the workplace are more relevant to this one, but even there, the issue of First Amendment rights is not settled in the courts. Eugene Volokh has a very good summary of these cases online, at least as they stood when he wrote it.
The Supreme Court made a suggestive comment about offensive gender-related speech at work in R.A.V. v. Minneapolis, a First Amendment "fighting words" decision, but it was only dicta. The Court's decision in Lane last year, which I mentioned above, does not deal with either gender-related speech or speech like that in this case, but it's interesting because the Court strongly and unanimously favored First Amendment protection in the government workplace. Whether that shows how a court would probably call this case is not clear.
right, just as handing out atheist pamphlets promotes a viewpoint on religion. so any atheist would have to be fired for doing such a thing. right?
I don't think you know what you are talking about because this post is incoherent.
I could careless what the mayor said he is trying to justify his illegal actions.
yes he was fired for that. there is no record anywhere that he ever discriminated against anyone not only with his job as fire chief but when he worked for the President of
the US.
so the only reason that he was fired was for writing a bible study book for his church group outside of work and someone didn't like what it said.
Your dodging is duly noted.
I feel that, particularly, if it is the government doing the punishment, they must demonstrate guilt.
IE I can't disprove what you say so I will just pretend you didn't do anything is a lousy comment to make.
I didn't dodge anything maybe if you had written a coherent that someone could actually read and understand it would be different.
however your religious bigotry is duly noted.
You continue to make statements as being factual while being unable to validate what you've stated. You have done that a number of times with several posters on this tread including me. Being able and willing to validate statements you claim are factual is necessary if you expect people to respect you. It's called credibility and you've lost it.
I'm through with you. You have nothing of value to say to anyone.
Jeez, I think I'm getting the flu and the last thing I need to do or want to do is read through city and state statutes and handbooks. At this point I can say that Fairfax County does have a policy prohibiting harassment and discrimination in the workplace based on sexual orientation and religion among other things. Fairfax County even specifically addresses discrimination by supervisors. Good for Fairfax County.
The City of Fairfax web site provides little to no information that I can find regarding its employees other than for people searching for employment with the city.
The Commonwealth of Virginia states the following in its department of human resources site (I'm not plowing through state statutes):
No religion in the workplace. None. Not yours, not mine, not anyone's. NONE. Problem solved. I would assume that that is the policy relating to employees for the City of Atlanta.
Your original busted statement:
So now show me the "No religion in the workplace. None." policy because that is what you need to prove your original assertion.
Your original busted statement:
So now show me the "No religion in the workplace. None." policy because that is what you need to prove your original assertion.
He should have been fired for handing out religious books alone.
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Fact: He was fired for expressing his religious beliefs which are protected not only by the constitution but by state law as well.
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/01/07/us/atlanta-ousts-fire-chief-who-has-antigay-views.html?_r=0
ATLANTA — Mayor Kasim Reed announced Tuesday that he had fired the chief of the city’s Fire Rescue Department, Kelvin Cochran, after Mr. Cochran gave workers a religious book he wrote containing passages that condemn homosexuality.
Mr. Reed had suspended Mr. Cochran for a month without pay in November, opening an investigation into whether Mr. Cochran’s authorship and distribution of the book to workers violated the city’s nondiscrimination policies. That move sparked a debate about religious liberty and freedom of expression: Last month, the 1.4-million member Georgia Baptist Convention began an online petition that called for Mr. Cochran’s reinstatement and suggested his First Amendment rights had been violated.
The matter also presents a challenge for Mr. Reed, a second-term Democrat who presides over a metropolis whose social mosaic is defined by strong expressions of Christianity and large and politically powerful gay, lesbian, transgender and bisexual groups.
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Homosexual Agenda strikes again
100% lie and not as fact as the countless articles prove :shrug:
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