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MOSCOW — Russia’s minister of sports, Vitaly L. Mutko, said on Thursday that foreign athletes traveling to Russia for the 2014 Olympics in Sochi would be expected to obey a new Russian law banning “homosexual propaganda” or face criminal prosecution.
In comments made to the state news agency R-Sport, Mutko said that gay athletes were welcome to attend the Games, but insisted that under the new law no athlete or visitor could advocate a “nontraditional” sexual orientation.
The statement seemed sure to stoke criticism of the law, which has already become a point of contention for the Games, with some calls for a boycott. Legislation and statements by the Russian Orthodox Church and political officials about the law have been denounced as homophobic.
“No one is forbidding a sportsman with a nontraditional sexual orientation to come to Sochi,” Mutko said. “But if he goes out on the street and starts to propagandize it, then of course he will be held accountable. Even if he’s a sportsman, when he comes to a country, he should respect its laws.”
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/08/02/s...ssian-law-stirs-olympic-controversy.html?_r=0
A little reminder of how wonderful that 1st Amendment is when it comes to the US. It is a pity they don't have something similar in Russia.
If I had the opportunity I would be advocating for gay rights until they locked me up in Russia. The way the law is written, a same sex couple holding hands in public is considered "homosexual propaganda" and could face criminal prosecution. That is how a lot of the religious right in our country would like to have it.
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/08/02/s...ssian-law-stirs-olympic-controversy.html?_r=0
A little reminder of how wonderful that 1st Amendment is when it comes to the US. It is a pity they don't have something similar in Russia.
If I had the opportunity I would be advocating for gay rights until they locked me up in Russia. The way the law is written, a same sex couple holding hands in public is considered "homosexual propaganda" and could face criminal prosecution. That is how a lot of the religious right in our country would like to have it.
There is already a thread on this... Somewhere ...
Mutko said. “But if he goes out on the street and starts to propagandize it, then of course he will be held accountable"
IOWs ..don't shove it in our faces and there will be no problems.
I can go along with that.
Hm...so if I am a foriegn tourist there to see the Olympics and I get arrested for holding my boyfriend's hand while walking down the street, that is okay with you because I was apparently shoving it in their faces?
You are kind of proving my point about the religious right in the US.
"Athletes in Sochi to Be Barred From Advocating Gay Causes"
It doesn't say anything about holding hands, kissing or the like.
Do you not understand what propagandizing is?
Mutko said. “But if he goes out on the street and starts to propagandize it, then of course he will be held accountable"
IOWs ..don't shove it in our faces and there will be no problems.
I can go along with that.
"Athletes in Sochi to Be Barred From Advocating Gay Causes"
It doesn't say anything about holding hands, kissing or the like.
Do you not understand what propagandizing is?
A little reminder of how wonderful that 1st Amendment is when it comes to the US. It is a pity they don't have something similar in Russia.*If I had the opportunity I would be advocating for gay rights until they locked me up in Russia. The way the law is written, a same sex couple holding hands in public is considered "homosexual propaganda" and could face criminal prosecution. That is how a lot of the religious right in our country would like to have it.
"Athletes in Sochi to Be Barred From Advocating Gay Causes"
It doesn't say anything about holding hands, kissing or the like.
Do you not understand what propagandizing is?
Have you read anything about this law beyond what it says in this particular article?
It is moot now. Russia reversed course. They said they would not enforce the law for the duration of the Olympics in order to be "politically correct".
The law is written so that even same sex public displays of affection or having a rainbow flag patch or button would be considered "propagandizing". You can spend up to 14 days in jail as a result, which was oddly missing from this article.
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/08/02/s...ssian-law-stirs-olympic-controversy.html?_r=0
A little reminder of how wonderful that 1st Amendment is when it comes to the US. It is a pity they don't have something similar in Russia.
If I had the opportunity I would be advocating for gay rights until they locked me up in Russia. The way the law is written, a same sex couple holding hands in public is considered "homosexual propaganda" and could face criminal prosecution. That is how a lot of the religious right in our country would like to have it.
Then don't ever hold hands with your girlfriend in public and we'll call it equal. Or do you want to shove your sexuality in my face?Mutko said. “But if he goes out on the street and starts to propagandize it, then of course he will be held accountable"
IOWs ..don't shove it in our faces and there will be no problems.
I can go along with that.
Hm...so if I am a foriegn tourist there to see the Olympics and I get arrested for holding my boyfriend's hand while walking down the street, that is okay with you because I was apparently shoving it in their faces?
You are kind of proving my point about the religious right in the US.
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If I had the opportunity I would be advocating for gay rights until they locked me up in Russia.
There is already a thread on this... Somewhere ...
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/08/02/s...ssian-law-stirs-olympic-controversy.html?_r=0
A little reminder of how wonderful that 1st Amendment is when it comes to the US. It is a pity they don't have something similar in Russia.
If I had the opportunity I would be advocating for gay rights until they locked me up in Russia. The way the law is written, a same sex couple holding hands in public is considered "homosexual propaganda" and could face criminal prosecution. That is how a lot of the religious right in our country would like to have it.
You can display affection with your wife/girlfriend in public, why can't they?
I really think you should read about how some Russian citizens set homosexual men up online for meetings where they are then humiliated, filmed on camera and the results posted online for the world to see. It's barbaric and condoned by the authorities who have no interest in protecting homosexual men from such treatment.
You have to think about why this would be humiliating.
Suppose they were setting guys up for dates with women, and then trying to humiliate them in the same manner. Would that work? It wouldn't of course, because there's nothing improper or humiliating about men dating women. That is, of course, assuming that all involved are single.
Now if the men being set up this way were married,and they were being set up on dates with women other than their wives, then yes, this would be humiliating, and rightly so. Married men who cheat on their wives should be humiliated, and any who had a conscience would easily be by such a setup.
Not to say that I necessarily agree with any such setups, but the point is that deep down, no matter what politically-correct indoctrination may have taken place to the contrary, everyone innately knows that there is something wrong with homosexuality, that it is not normal or proper. If this was not true, then it would not be possible to humiliate someone by exposing him as a homosexual.
Within proper bounds, heterosexuality is normal and proper and healthy. Homosexuality will never be anything other than a sick, disgusting perversion. It will always be wrong to treat them as if one is in any way equivalent to the other.
Within proper bounds, heterosexuality is normal and proper and healthy. Homosexuality will never be anything other than a sick, disgusting perversion. It will always be wrong to treat them as if one is in any way equivalent to the other.
You have to think about why this would be humiliating.
Suppose they were setting guys up for dates with women, and then trying to humiliate them in the same manner. Would that work? It wouldn't of course, because there's nothing improper or humiliating about men dating women. That is, of course, assuming that all involved are single.
Now if the men being set up this way were married,and they were being set up on dates with women other than their wives, then yes, this would be humiliating, and rightly so. Married men who cheat on their wives should be humiliated, and any who had a conscience would easily be by such a setup.
Not to say that I necessarily agree with any such setups, but the point is that deep down, no matter what politically-correct indoctrination may have taken place to the contrary, everyone innately knows that there is something wrong with homosexuality, that it is not normal or proper. If this was not true, then it would not be possible to humiliate someone by exposing him as a homosexual.
Poor Bob. You STILL haven't educated yourself on this issue and you STILL post complete nonsense. And you STILL don't understand the difference between sexual behavior and sexual orientation. Come on, Bob... show us what you know... tell us the difference between these two rather different concepts.
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