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At least five people stabbed at neo-Nazi event outside Capitol in Sacramento

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At least five people stabbed at neo-Nazi event outside Capitol in Sacramento | LA Times

At least five people stabbed at neo-Nazi event outside Capitol in Sacramento

At least five people were stabbed, with some injured critically, during clashes between rallying neo-Nazis and counter-protesters at the Capitol in Sacramento on Sunday, fire officials said.

Five patients were transported to local hospitals with stab wounds, said Chris Harvey, public information officer for the Sacramento Fire Department. Several other people suffered cuts, scrapes and bruises but were not taken to the hospital, Harvey said.

"It was quite a bit of a melee," Harvey said, mentioning that several different groups had descended on the Capitol, including counter-protesters.

Harvey said he did not know which groups the stabbing victims were from.

It would appear that a racist neo-Nazi hate group had a permit to have rally at the capital, and a large group of young people that are against racist neo-Nazi hate groups attacked them and started a major riot, that ended up getting at least 5 people stabbed.

According to what I've seen on CNN, especially an interview they broadcast with a young woman that was a leader and speaker of the group that was against the racist neo-Nazi hate group, that those against the hate group, intended on attacking and causing violence.

When the good people lower themselves to the level below the gutter that these racist neo-Nazi hate groups live in by infringing on their 1st Amendment Rights, and then attacking them... they are no better, and are at that particular moment in time, even worse than the racist neo-Nazi hate group is being.

What do you folks think? Should it be okay for people to attack racist neo-Nazi hate groups and cause riots and mayhem to keep them from being able to exercise their 1st Amendment Rights to Peacefully Assemble and that of Freedom of Speech?
 

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At least five people stabbed at neo-Nazi event outside Capitol in Sacramento | LA Times



It would appear that a racist neo-Nazi hate group had a permit to have rally at the capital, and a large group of young people that are against racist neo-Nazi hate groups attacked them and started a major riot, that ended up getting at least 5 people stabbed.

According to what I've seen on CNN, especially an interview they broadcast with a young woman that was a leader and speaker of the group that was against the racist neo-Nazi hate group, that those against the hate group, intended on attacking and causing violence.

When the good people lower themselves to the level below the gutter that these racist neo-Nazi hate groups live in by infringing on their 1st Amendment Rights, and then attacking them... they are no better, and are at that particular moment in time, even worse than the racist neo-Nazi hate group is being.

What do you folks think? Should it be okay for people to attack racist neo-Nazi hate groups and cause riots and mayhem to keep them from being able to exercise their 1st Amendment Rights to Peacefully Assemble and that of Freedom of Speech?

I certainly don't like "neo-Nazi hate group(s)", but are they really enough of a problem to justify attacking them bodily? I mean, all they seem to have been doing was expressing their opinions on public land. That is a rather important constitutional right after all and no crime appears to have been committed prior the attack unless I missed something.
 

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At least five people stabbed at neo-Nazi event outside Capitol in Sacramento | LA Times



It would appear that a racist neo-Nazi hate group had a permit to have rally at the capital, and a large group of young people that are against racist neo-Nazi hate groups attacked them and started a major riot, that ended up getting at least 5 people stabbed.

According to what I've seen on CNN, especially an interview they broadcast with a young woman that was a leader and speaker of the group that was against the racist neo-Nazi hate group, that those against the hate group, intended on attacking and causing violence.

When the good people lower themselves to the level below the gutter that these racist neo-Nazi hate groups live in by infringing on their 1st Amendment Rights, and then attacking them... they are no better, and are at that particular moment in time, even worse than the racist neo-Nazi hate group is being.

What do you folks think? Should it be okay for people to attack racist neo-Nazi hate groups and cause riots and mayhem to keep them from being able to exercise their 1st Amendment Rights to Peacefully Assemble and that of Freedom of Speech?
Political correctness has twisted the idea of free speech to the point that free speech is anything that agrees with progressive ideology.
Anything else is hate speech and violent suppression is somehow justified.
 

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At least five people stabbed at neo-Nazi event outside Capitol in Sacramento | LA Times



It would appear that a racist neo-Nazi hate group had a permit to have rally at the capital, and a large group of young people that are against racist neo-Nazi hate groups attacked them and started a major riot, that ended up getting at least 5 people stabbed.

According to what I've seen on CNN, especially an interview they broadcast with a young woman that was a leader and speaker of the group that was against the racist neo-Nazi hate group, that those against the hate group, intended on attacking and causing violence.

When the good people lower themselves to the level below the gutter that these racist neo-Nazi hate groups live in by infringing on their 1st Amendment Rights, and then attacking them... they are no better, and are at that particular moment in time, even worse than the racist neo-Nazi hate group is being.

What do you folks think? Should it be okay for people to attack racist neo-Nazi hate groups and cause riots and mayhem to keep them from being able to exercise their 1st Amendment Rights to Peacefully Assemble and that of Freedom of Speech?

Well the first thing I think we should do is find out what kind of knives were being used and then try to get them regulated and require permits/registration.

Next, we should ban "hate groups" from being allowed to have any public rally anywhere in the USA in order to prevent them from offending anyone ever again.

Finally, we should reward any social justice warriors who aggressively assault and assail promoters of hate-speech by creating lists of unacceptable hate-groups and passing laws making it permissible to engage in violence against anyone demonstrating for any groups on such a list.

NOT! :naughty

It is okay to counter-protest. It is not okay to interfere with the First Amendment right of peaceful free expression.

In fact it is important to allow every kind of group to openly express their views peacefully for two reasons:

1. To allow society to become aware of issues that may very well be a problem needing to be addressed.

2. To keep groups we should know about in the light of day, the better to keep an eye on them. Otherwise, like roaches when you turn on the light, they will simply scatter into the dark corners and continue breeding uncontrollably.
 
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I certainly don't like "neo-Nazi hate group(s)", but are they really enough of a problem to justify attacking them bodily? I mean, all they seem to have been doing was expressing their opinions on public land. That is a rather important constitutional right after all and no crime appears to have been committed prior the attack unless I missed something.

I just saw on CNN where there were about 30-40 of these neo-Nazi assholes and there were between 200-300 of the other people and that the 200-300 were planning on attacking the racist group - that was the purpose of the anti-rally, to attack and harm the neo-Nazi's.

If we don't protect the rights of the bad people, then the rights of the good people are not safe, and when the good people are the ones that trample the Constitution, then they are just as bad (if not worse) than the neo-Nazi bastards.

JMHO.

We've had this in court already - National Socialist Party of America v. Village of Skokie, 432 U.S. 43 (1977) where the SCOTUS ruled that the neo-Nazi's had the 1st Amendment protected right to Peacefully Assemble and that the Swastika does not rise to "fighting words" to be suppressed and is also protected by the 1st Amendment, specifically the right to Freedom of Speech.

There are very few things that rise to the level that I can say that I hate them : Nazi's and neo-Nazi's rise to that level. However, I fought to protect their rights under the Constitution just as I did for you and I.
 

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Political correctness has twisted the idea of free speech to the point that free speech is anything that agrees with progressive ideology.
Anything else is hate speech and violent suppression is somehow justified.

I love that this ****in guy thinks stabbing someone is described as being politically correct. By anybody.
 

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Political correctness has twisted the idea of free speech to the point that free speech is anything that agrees with progressive ideology.
Anything else is hate speech and violent suppression is somehow justified.

Something that some forget, is that all speech is protected, even what they and I may call hate speech.

This is an example of arbitrary application of the Constitution - it applies if they agree, and not if they don't agree.
 

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I love that this ****in guy thinks stabbing someone is described as being politically correct. By anybody.
A rose by any other name!
 

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Well the first thing I think we should do is find out what kind of knives were being used and then try to get them regulated and require permits/registration.

Next, we should ban "hate groups" from being allowed to have any public rally anywhere in the USA in order to prevent them from offending anyone ever again.

Finally, we should reward any social justice warriors who aggressively assault and assail promoters of hate-speech by creating lists of unacceptable hate-groups and passing laws making it permissible to engage in violence against anyone demonstrating for any groups on such a list.

NOT! :naughty

The parallels are frightening, and you obviously understand exactly my concern, but I am afraid that they are completely lost on many.
 

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A rose by any other name!

Um yeah I don't know what bizarre definition of "PC" you've invented but nobody else on the planet uses it.
 

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At least five people stabbed at neo-Nazi event outside Capitol in Sacramento | LA Times



It would appear that a racist neo-Nazi hate group had a permit to have rally at the capital, and a large group of young people that are against racist neo-Nazi hate groups attacked them and started a major riot, that ended up getting at least 5 people stabbed.

According to what I've seen on CNN, especially an interview they broadcast with a young woman that was a leader and speaker of the group that was against the racist neo-Nazi hate group, that those against the hate group, intended on attacking and causing violence.

When the good people lower themselves to the level below the gutter that these racist neo-Nazi hate groups live in by infringing on their 1st Amendment Rights, and then attacking them... they are no better, and are at that particular moment in time, even worse than the racist neo-Nazi hate group is being.

What do you folks think? Should it be okay for people to attack racist neo-Nazi hate groups and cause riots and mayhem to keep them from being able to exercise their 1st Amendment Rights to Peacefully Assemble and that of Freedom of Speech?

This actually happens more than you think. Most people in the army I knew from ohio were kkk members and leaders, and they would brag about getting city permits to speak publicly. in ohio though the police would protect them, not because they agree with them, but because they secured the permits to peacably assemble, and people would constantly try to incite violence against them.


Even with the first amendment granting peacefull assembly, any group that might be hated by another should have police protection for things like what happened in sacremento.
 

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When are we going to accept the reality that "Occupy," "BLM," and this most recent group of anti-Neo Nazi protesters are Communist inspired and supported Anti-Americans that need to be crushed?

No amount of counter intuitive rationalization can justify willful destruction. Unless you commies have forgotten, there is a difference between good and evil. What is emerging appears to be an almost deliberate effort to define this argument as a simplified, dumbed-down battle between Fascism and Nationalism. Beware.
 

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Um yeah I don't know what bizarre definition of "PC" you've invented but nobody else on the planet uses it.
When a person chooses to elevate their disagreement to someone elses' speech to violence,
it is a limitation on free speech.
The Idea that the counter protest group was moved to violence by what they called hate speech,
supports that they did so based on political correctness.
 

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This actually happens more than you think. Most people in the army I knew from ohio were kkk members and leaders, and they would brag about getting city permits to speak publicly. in ohio though the police would protect them, not because they agree with them, but because they secured the permits to peacably assemble, and people would constantly try to incite violence against them.


Even with the first amendment granting peacefull assembly, any group that might be hated by another should have police protection for things like what happened in sacremento.

Wait a second... everyone you knew in the army was also in the KKK???? In my day, anyone found to be affiliated with any group like that would be drummed out of the military rather quickly. Well, not literally drummed out, that practice is no longer approved, but that's an entirely different thread topic.

As for the rest of your post, I agree, everyone has the protection of the Constitution and the Police should protect them from being attacked.
 

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"Every liberal is a fascist at heart." -Anon

When are we going to accept the reality that "Occupy," "BLM," and this most recent group of anti-Neo Nazi protesters are Communist inspired and supported Anti-Americans that need to be crushed?

No amount of counter intuitive rationalization can justify willful destruction. Unless you commies have forgotten, there is a difference between good and evil. What is emerging appears to be an almost deliberate effort to define this argument as a simplified, dumbed-down battle between Fascism and Nationalism. Beware.

What makes anything you just said any different than the actions of the anti-neo-Nazi's took that we are discussing as being unConstitutional and pretty much... UnAmerican?
 

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When a person chooses to elevate their disagreement to someone elses' speech to violence,
it is a limitation on free speech.
The Idea that the counter protest group was moved to violence by what they called hate speech,
supports that they did so based on political correctness.

Based on the appearance of what I've seen, and the interviews I've watched on CNN with a leader of the group that attacked, I can agree with that.
 

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You seem like a fairly bright fellow. Figure it out for yourself. (and please don't apply counter intuitive rationalization to the puzzle)
 

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Wait a second... everyone you knew in the army was also in the KKK???? In my day, anyone found to be affiliated with any group like that would be drummed out of the military rather quickly. Well, not literally drummed out, that practice is no longer approved, but that's an entirely different thread topic.

As for the rest of your post, I agree, everyone has the protection of the Constitution and the Police should protect them from being attacked.

no just everyone from ohio, excluding my ex gf. Not sure if the ohio kkk chapter decided to join in mass at the same time or what.

The military does damn near nothing for being affiliated with any racial group anymore, and instead punishes actions. Some of the most racist people black white or mexican seem to join the army, and despite this there are little problems with racial tension or priviledge. One who was a former kkk member said it best, "we all hate eachother, but at the end of the day we all fight the same war and bleed the same blood, and as long as they serve beside me they are not my enemy"

The guy I knew who said that was a blatent racist too.
 

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no just everyone from ohio, excluding my ex gf. Not sure if the ohio kkk chapter decided to join in mass at the same time or what.

The military does damn near nothing for being affiliated with any racial group anymore, and instead punishes actions. Some of the most racist people black white or mexican seem to join the army, and despite this there are little problems with racial tension or priviledge. One who was a former kkk member said it best, "we all hate eachother, but at the end of the day we all fight the same war and bleed the same blood, and as long as they serve beside me they are not my enemy"

The guy I knew who said that was a blatent racist too.

My experience is different. Maybe because we all had to pass our security clearances every five years with unannounced background checks every so often, and being in a hate group would disqualify you instantly. Now, I'm not saying we didn't have racists, we did, of all races and backgrounds. They just stayed below the radar and didn't join any groups, well, that I'm aware of anyway.
 

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When a person chooses to elevate their disagreement to someone elses' speech to violence,
it is a limitation on free speech.
The Idea that the counter protest group was moved to violence by what they called hate speech,
supports that they did so based on political correctness.

Similarly, the KKK members are politically conservative. So this supports that the belief that white people are the superior race and Adolf Hitler was correct is based on conservatism.
 

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Similarly, the KKK members are politically conservative. So this supports that the belief that white people are the superior race and Adolf Hitler was correct is based on conservatism.

WTF? Seriously? Reductio ad absurdum and reductio ad Hilterum all in the same sentence. Amazing.
 

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WTF? Seriously? Reductio ad absurdum and reduction ad Hilterum all in the same sentence. Amazing.

When talking about White Supremacists, mentioning Hitler isn't the same sort of fallacy it usually is.

As for being ridiculous, you'll have to take it up with the person I was quoting. I'm merely applying his Transitive Property of Ideology on the other side of this confrontation.
 
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