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At least 100 killed in suspected Islamist attacks in Niger

It's horribly idiotic to believe Islam drives the violence in war torn failed state developing world countries. It's basically like a stupid child looking for the simple answer, the distancing answer. It's so lowly and self serving, it's a wonder that anyone so utterly incompetent is capable of getting online.
 
It's horribly idiotic to believe Islam drives the violence in war torn failed state developing world countries. It's basically like a stupid child looking for the simple answer, the distancing answer. It's so lowly and self serving, it's a wonder that anyone so utterly incompetent is capable of getting online.

What a convenient blanket dismissal. Nope, not Islam. There, done.
 
Muslims who follow a strict literal interpretation of the Koran
Please explain what this literal interpretation is; which verses are referred to, what do they say, what is the literal interpretation within the context of the entire Qur'an and the sunnah and who does follow this "literal interpretation" and how does it show.
 
Please explain what this literal interpretation is; which verses are referred to, what do they say, what is the literal interpretation within the context of the entire Qur'an and the sunnah and who does follow this "literal interpretation" and how does it show.



[3.151] We will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve, because they set up with Allah that for which He has sent down no authority, and their abode is the fire, and evil is the abode of the unjust.

[2.191] And kill them wherever you find them, and drive them out from whence they drove you out, and persecution is severer than slaughter, and do not fight with them at the Sacred Mosque until they fight with you in it, but if they do fight you, then slay them; such is the recompense of the unbelievers.

[2.193] And fight with them until there is no persecution, and religion should be only for Allah...

2.216] Fighting is enjoined on you, and h is an object of dislike to you; and it may be that you dislike a thing while it is good for you, and it may be that you love a thing while it is evil for you, and Allah knows, while you do not know.

[2.244] And fight in the way of Allah,...

[2.246] ...May it not be that you would not fight if fighting is ordained for you? They said: And what reason have we that we should not fight in the way of Allah, and we have indeed been compelled to abandon our homes and our children. But when fighting was ordained for them, they turned back, except a few of them, and Allah knows the unjust.

[3.169] And reckon not those who are killed in Allah's way as dead; nay, they are alive (and) are provided sustenance from their Lord;

[4.74] Therefore let those fight in the way of Allah, who sell this world's life for the hereafter; and whoever fights in the way of Allah, then be he slain or be he victorious, We shall grant him a mighty reward.

[4.76] Those who believe fight in the way of Allah, and those who disbelieve fight in the way of the Shaitan. Fight therefore against the friends of the Shaitan; surely the strategy of the Shaitan is weak.

[9.5] So when the sacred months have passed away, then slay the idolaters wherever you find them, and take them captives and besiege them and lie in wait for them in every ambush, then if they repent and keep up prayer and pay the poor-rate, leave their way free to them; surely Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.

[9.29] Fight those who do not believe in Allah, nor in the latter day, nor do they prohibit what Allah and His Apostle have prohibited, nor follow the religion of truth, out of those who have been given the Book, until they pay the tax in acknowledgment of superiority and they are in a state of subjection.

[9.111] Surely Allah has bought of the believers their persons and their property for this, that they shall have the garden; they fight in Allah's way, so they slay and are slain;

[9.123] O you who believe! fight those of the unbelievers who are near to you and let them find in you hardness; and know that Allah is with those who guard (against evil).

[47.4] So when you meet in battle those who disbelieve, then smite the necks until when you have overcome them,
 
Interpretations

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Islam is not merely a belief, so that it is enough merely to preach it. Islam, which is a way of life, takes practical steps to organize a movement for freeing man. Other societies do not give it any opportunity to organize its followers according to its own method, and hence it is the duty of Islam to annihilate all such systems, as they are obstacles in the way of universal freedom. ...
This religion is really a universal declaration of the freedom of man from servitude to other men and from servitude to his own desires, which is also a form of human servitude; it is a declaration that sovereignty belongs to God alone and that He is the Lord of all the worlds. It means a challenge to all kinds and forms of systems which are based on the concept of the sovereignty of man; in other words, where man has usurped the Divine attribute. Any system in which the final decisions are referred to human beings, and in which the sources of all authority are human, deifies human beings by designating others than God as lords over men.
This declaration means that the usurped authority of God be returned to Him and the usurpers be thrown out-those who by themselves devise laws for others to follow, thus elevating themselves to the status of lords and reducing others to the status of slaves. In short, to proclaim the authority and sovereignty of God means to eliminate all human kingship and to announce the rule of the Sustainer of the universe over the entire earth. ...
After annihilating the tyrannical force, whether it be in a political or a racial form, or in the form of class distinctions within the same race, Islam establishes a new social, economic and political system, in which the concept of the freedom of man is applied in practice
Sayyid Qutb


Their fascination was arisen after the defenders of democracy and the
defenders of other such false ideologies (who have no religion) defended democracy simply for the sake of it, and they mixed the falsehood with the Truth.
..... They distort the Truth with Falsehood, and mix the Light with the Darkness, and the Polytheism of democracy with the Monotheism of Islam. But we, with the help of Allah, replied to all of these fallacies, and showed that democracy is a religion. But it is not Allah’s religion. It is not the religion of monotheism, and its parliamentary councils are just places of polytheism, and safe havens for paganistic beliefs. All of these must be avoided to achieve monotheism, which is Allah’s right upon His servants. We must destroy those who follow democracy, and we must take their followers as enemies - hate them and wage a great Jihad against them.
Abu Muhammad 'Aasim al-Maqdisi

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But one cannot get around what Jefferson heard when he went with John Adams to wait upon Tripoli’s ambassador to London in March 1785. When they inquired by what right the Barbary states preyed upon American shipping, enslaving both crews and passengers, America’s two foremost envoys were informed that “it was written in the Koran, that all Nations who should not have acknowledged their authority were sinners, that it was their right and duty to make war upon whoever they could find and to make Slaves of all they could take as prisoners, and that every Mussulman who should be slain in battle was sure to go to Paradise.”
Jefferson Versus the Muslim Pirates by Christopher Hitchens, City Journal Spring 2007

Usually shows up with dead unbelievers
 
Interpretations

(109) At least 100 killed in suspected Islamist attacks in Niger | Page 6 | Debate Politics
Islam is not merely a belief, so that it is enough merely to preach it. Islam, which is a way of life, takes practical steps to organize a movement for freeing man. Other societies do not give it any opportunity to organize its followers according to its own method, and hence it is the duty of Islam to annihilate all such systems, as they are obstacles in the way of universal freedom. ...
This religion is really a universal declaration of the freedom of man from servitude to other men and from servitude to his own desires, which is also a form of human servitude; it is a declaration that sovereignty belongs to God alone and that He is the Lord of all the worlds. It means a challenge to all kinds and forms of systems which are based on the concept of the sovereignty of man; in other words, where man has usurped the Divine attribute. Any system in which the final decisions are referred to human beings, and in which the sources of all authority are human, deifies human beings by designating others than God as lords over men.
This declaration means that the usurped authority of God be returned to Him and the usurpers be thrown out-those who by themselves devise laws for others to follow, thus elevating themselves to the status of lords and reducing others to the status of slaves. In short, to proclaim the authority and sovereignty of God means to eliminate all human kingship and to announce the rule of the Sustainer of the universe over the entire earth. ...
After annihilating the tyrannical force, whether it be in a political or a racial form, or in the form of class distinctions within the same race, Islam establishes a new social, economic and political system, in which the concept of the freedom of man is applied in practice
Sayyid Qutb


Their fascination was arisen after the defenders of democracy and the
defenders of other such false ideologies (who have no religion) defended democracy simply for the sake of it, and they mixed the falsehood with the Truth.
..... They distort the Truth with Falsehood, and mix the Light with the Darkness, and the Polytheism of democracy with the Monotheism of Islam. But we, with the help of Allah, replied to all of these fallacies, and showed that democracy is a religion. But it is not Allah’s religion. It is not the religion of monotheism, and its parliamentary councils are just places of polytheism, and safe havens for paganistic beliefs. All of these must be avoided to achieve monotheism, which is Allah’s right upon His servants. We must destroy those who follow democracy, and we must take their followers as enemies - hate them and wage a great Jihad against them.
Abu Muhammad 'Aasim al-Maqdisi

(109) At least 100 killed in suspected Islamist attacks in Niger | Page 14 | Debate Politics
But one cannot get around what Jefferson heard when he went with John Adams to wait upon Tripoli’s ambassador to London in March 1785. When they inquired by what right the Barbary states preyed upon American shipping, enslaving both crews and passengers, America’s two foremost envoys were informed that “it was written in the Koran, that all Nations who should not have acknowledged their authority were sinners, that it was their right and duty to make war upon whoever they could find and to make Slaves of all they could take as prisoners, and that every Mussulman who should be slain in battle was sure to go to Paradise.”
Jefferson Versus the Muslim Pirates by Christopher Hitchens, City Journal Spring 2007

Usually shows up with dead unbelievers
I don't imagine you think the wall of text will make it seem as though you'd replied to my request properly.
 
I don't imagine you think the wall of text will make it seem as though you'd replied to my request properly.

Well lets look again at the request


Please explain what this literal interpretation is;

I provided the interpretations of 3 Muslims, 2 of them respected scholars most frequently quoted by the likes of AlQaeda and ISIS

which verses are referred to, what do they say

I provided 14 verses you will need to read them to know what they say

, what is the literal interpretation within the context of the entire Qur'an and the sunnah

I provided 3 such interpretations

and who does follow this "literal interpretation" and how does it show.

Islamic Fundamentalist, sometimes referred to as Islamist. Among the Sunni most frequently they label themselves as Salafist. Wahhabi in the Mid east, Deobandi to the east. And like I said "Usually shows up with dead unbelievers"

No, seems like I addressed it all except for the terms most frequently used to identify those "who does follow" the literal interpretation. I think you simply dont have shit to respond with.
 
I don't imagine you think the wall of text will make it seem as though you'd replied to my request properly.

As Mohamed neared the end of his life he was within reach of his goal of subduing the Arabian Peninsula. He then started looking north to the Byzantine and Persian Empires and getting a conqueror stiffy.

One of the last verses he made up - or "were revealed by God", if you must, was 9:111, which my friend, upon your request, provided above (9.111 "Surely Allah has bought of the believers their persons and their property for this, that they shall have the garden; they fight in Allah's way, so they slay and are slain").

I don't like the word "interpretation" because it makes it sound like there are different ways to understand the words. There are NO options. There is only obedience or not. "Qatl" means fight/kill. Period.

So, please tell us, what are you planning to do in order to live up to your God's command to you to "fight in Allah's way, so they slay and are slain"?
 
What a convenient blanket dismissal. Nope, not Islam. There, done.

It's gross ignorance to not understand the driving factors in failed states and resulting violence. To blame it on a religion, an object, is absurd. We live in a world with atrocity and you blame a table.
 
Iran is conducting military exercises shooting off its big missiles and guns.

“The message of this drill is our might and firm determination to defend our sovereignty, our holy ruling system, and our values against the enemies of Islam and Iran,” said Gen. Hossein Salami, the Guard’s top commander.

The text of Islamic doctrine in action today.

[9.29] Fight those who do not believe in Allah, nor in the latter day, nor do they prohibit what Allah and His Apostle have prohibited, nor follow the religion of truth,

[2.193] And fight with them until there is no persecution, and religion should be only for Allah...

Yawn. Military exercises have nothing to do with “Islamic doctrine”. Every country in the world with a military performs them.
 
Yawn. Military exercises have nothing to do with “Islamic doctrine”. Every country in the world with a military performs them.


Tell that to the General conducting military exercises claiming to be protecting the "holy ruling system" from the enemies of "Islam", under the supervision and approval of the highest religious authorities of Islam in Iran.

Or the ambassador to London back in the day.

But one cannot get around what Jefferson heard when he went with John Adams to wait upon Tripoli’s ambassador to London in March 1785. When they inquired by what right the Barbary states preyed upon American shipping, enslaving both crews and passengers, America’s two foremost envoys were informed that “it was written in the Koran, that all Nations who should not have acknowledged their authority were sinners, that it was their right and duty to make war upon whoever they could find and to make Slaves of all they could take as prisoners, and that every Mussulman who should be slain in battle was sure to go to Paradise.”
Jefferson Versus the Muslim Pirates by Christopher Hitchens, City Journal Spring 2007

"It was written in the Koran". The Koran, inspired word of allah himself. CLEARLY a part of "Islamic Doctrine"
 
Tell that to the General conducting military exercises claiming to be protecting the "holy ruling system" from the enemies of "Islam", under the supervision and approval of the highest religious authorities of Islam in Iran.

Or the ambassador to London back in the day.

But one cannot get around what Jefferson heard when he went with John Adams to wait upon Tripoli’s ambassador to London in March 1785. When they inquired by what right the Barbary states preyed upon American shipping, enslaving both crews and passengers, America’s two foremost envoys were informed that “it was written in the Koran, that all Nations who should not have acknowledged their authority were sinners, that it was their right and duty to make war upon whoever they could find and to make Slaves of all they could take as prisoners, and that every Mussulman who should be slain in battle was sure to go to Paradise.”
Jefferson Versus the Muslim Pirates by Christopher Hitchens, City Journal Spring 2007

"It was written in the Koran". The Koran, inspired word of allah himself. CLEARLY a part of "Islamic Doctrine"

Literally no different than a Russian general declaring their military exercises are to “protect the motherland”, or an American one stating that their exercises are designed to help the US defend its allies, or.....a hundred other examples, really.

One can not get around the fact piracy has absolutely nothing to with religion and was nothing more than a figleaf to justify looting as much gold, silver and other valuables as possible.


But I get that you are desperate and therefore grasping at straws.
 
I provided the interpretations of 3 Muslims, 2 of them respected scholars most frequently quoted by the likes of AlQaeda and ISIS
I see a mention of Sayyid Qutb and Abu Muhammad 'Aasim al-Maqdisi. I don't see a third name. I also see no sources from where you quote from. What you quoted are not interpretations of the verses you quoted. They are simply parts of speeches or writing that may relate directly or indirectly to some of the verses you quoted and they do not differentiate between interpretation and literal interpretation. The Quranic ayahs have multiple layers of meaning.
I provided 14 verses you will need to read them to know what they say
Since you claim to know more about the verses than what is obvious from them, I asked you to explain what they say. You can use your own words or quote the interpretations of others.
Islamic Fundamentalist, sometimes referred to as Islamist.
I mean a more specific group of people, preferably an individual or two. In religion a fundamentalist is simply one who follows the fundamentals of their religion. "Islamist" in the English language tends to refer to Muslims who believe in the sharia law (but it is used with many other meanings as well). It isn't possible for a Muslim to reject it or refuse the sharia law. So if the word Islamist had that meaning, then all good Muslims would be Islamists. Similarly, all good Muslims are fundamentalists in the sense that they follow the fundamentals of islam. This all makes your claim void of any meaning.
Among the Sunni most frequently they label themselves as Salafist. Wahhabi in the Mid east, Deobandi to the east.
You claim salafism, wahabbism and deobandi are one and the same, just different location? I have never heard of a Muslim who calls himself a wahabbi, have you?
 
Literally no different than a Russian general declaring their military exercises are to “protect the motherland”,

Im not familiar with Russian motherland doctrine and what it dictates. Islamic doctrine dictates the authority of government and the law to be applied.

"And rule between them by that which Allah revealed to you, and do not follow their vain desires away from the truth which came to you". [TMQ 5:48]

"..Verily the 'Hukm' (command, Judgment) is for none but Allah.." [TMQ 12:40]
"Whoever does not judge by that which Allah has revealed, they are disbelievers" [TMQ 5:44]

"Whosoever does not judge by that which Allah has revealed, such are oppressors" [5:45]

"Whosoever does not judge by that which Allah has revealed, such are transgressors" [5:47]
 
I see a mention of Sayyid Qutb and Abu Muhammad 'Aasim al-Maqdisi. I don't see a third name. I also see no sources from where you quote from. What you quoted are not interpretations of the verses you quoted. They are simply parts of speeches or writing that may relate directly or indirectly to some of the verses you quoted and they do not differentiate between interpretation and literal interpretation. The Quranic ayahs have multiple layers of meaning.

Since you claim to know more about the verses than what is obvious from them, I asked you to explain what they say. You can use your own words or quote the interpretations of others.

How I interpret them is irrelevant and Ive provided the actual words for you to read and Muslims interpretations.

I You claim salafism, wahabbism and deobandi are one and the same, just different location? I have never heard of a Muslim who calls himself a wahabbi, have you?

No, wahabbism and Deobandi are two different sects of Islamic Fundamentalism, that they would label as salafism
 
It's gross ignorance to not understand the driving factors in failed states and resulting violence. To blame it on a religion, an object, is absurd. We live in a world with atrocity and you blame a table.

What an absurd post.

Islam is not a physical object. It's a belief system.
 
I see a mention of Sayyid Qutb and Abu Muhammad 'Aasim al-Maqdisi. I don't see a third name. I also see no sources from where you quote from. What you quoted are not interpretations of the verses you quoted. They are simply parts of speeches or writing that may relate directly or indirectly to some of the verses you quoted and they do not differentiate between interpretation and literal interpretation. The Quranic ayahs have multiple layers of meaning.

No they don't. That's just one of those vague, meaningless things people throw in as a deflection.
 
I mean a more specific group of people, preferably an individual or two. In religion a fundamentalist is simply one who follows the fundamentals of their religion. "Islamist" in the English language tends to refer to Muslims who believe in the sharia law (but it is used with many other meanings as well). It isn't possible for a Muslim to reject it or refuse the sharia law. So if the word Islamist had that meaning, then all good Muslims would be Islamists. Similarly, all good Muslims are fundamentalists in the sense that they follow the fundamentals of islam. This all makes your claim void of any meaning.

One of the fundamentals of Islam is to "Fight in the way of Allah". We're still waiting for you to tell us how you're going to comply.
 
Im not familiar with Russian motherland doctrine and what it dictates. Islamic doctrine dictates the authority of government and the law to be applied.

"And rule between them by that which Allah revealed to you, and do not follow their vain desires away from the truth which came to you". [TMQ 5:48]

"..Verily the 'Hukm' (command, Judgment) is for none but Allah.." [TMQ 12:40]
"Whoever does not judge by that which Allah has revealed, they are disbelievers" [TMQ 5:44]

"Whosoever does not judge by that which Allah has revealed, such are oppressors" [5:45]

"Whosoever does not judge by that which Allah has revealed, such are transgressors" [5:47]

Yawn. Another day, another desperate attempt at ignoring reality from you. Christians despised being ruled by non Christians so much they fought on and off wars in Spain for seven hundred years.
 
What an absurd post.

Islam is not a physical object. It's a belief system.

It's an abstract social object. No amount of stupid can change that.
 
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