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These comments alone are more than enough to disqualify Trump from ever holding office in this country again.
Paywall on the NYT article. Incognito doesn't work, and I'm told I've reached my NYT limit.Oh, for Pete's sake.
The claim that Epps is an undercover federal agent is largely based on the fact that Epps has not been arrested. The available evidence, however, shows that Epps never entered the U.S. Capitol (the main factor driving FBI arrests) and that he attempted to quell the violence between police and protesters. It’s much more likely that the reason Epps wasn’t arrested was not because he was working with the FBI (supposedly), but because the FBI found he didn’t commit a crime.
Who Is Ray Epps?
The conspiratorial claim that the attack on the U.S. Capitol was a false flag conducted by federal agents hinges largely on the identity of one man.www.snopes.comJan. 6 Conspiracy Theory Centers on Baseless Claim About Ray Epps - FactCheck.org
James Ray Epps was at the Capitol riot on Jan. 6, 2021. But there is no evidence that he was an FBI plant assigned to instigate the riot, as a conspiracy theory -- embraced by at least two members of Congress -- claims. There is evidence, however, that Epps once held a leadership role in the...www.factcheck.orgNew Evidence Undercuts Jan. 6 Instigator Conspiracy Theory (Published 2022)
Recordings released to defense lawyers directly challenge assertions by prominent Republicans that an Arizona man named Ray Epps was a federal informant and helped start the Capitol riot.www.nytimes.com
FWIW, if it were true, any grown man that was there for a "peaceful protest" and decided to break into the Capitol because of something that some rando in the crowd said deserves to be arrested.
People being enticed to commit crimes need to report it to the police. Oh. I guess some did. What do you think a CI is?There is a reason why laws exist to bar government from enticing people to do crimes. Not that you care or anything. Maybe you care more when the FBI works on enticing Muslims to do terrorist attacks that they never would've done without the FBI? *shrug*
So you can gaslight and nitpick me about them and then fling thinly veiled insults when I call you out? Fat chance.Paywall on the NYT article. Incognito doesn't work, and I'm told I've reached my NYT limit.
Can you post the chunks of the recordings that challenge the assertions about Epps that the NYT printed?
I read the Factcheck link and it really didn't fact check anything. It was pretty long and it just printed denials. Hardly a fact check.So you can gaslight and nitpick me about them and then fling thinly veiled insults when I call you out? Fat chance.
There are two other links that were provided and each has multiple sources. And you can always use your favorite search engines.
"I" stands for "Informer". It's not a mistaken "E" for "Entrapper".People being enticed to commit crimes need to report it to the police. Oh. I guess some did. What do you think a CI is?
I'm not your research assistant. Conservatives are the party of personal responsibility, initiative and self-reliance until they need hand holding to use the internets.I read the Factcheck link and it really didn't fact check anything. It was pretty long and it just printed denials. Hardly a fact check.
So I'm interested in what the NYT had to say.
Just cut and paste the whole thing if it's too much trouble picking out the good stuff.
And they didn't or that would be a defense."I" stands for "Informer". It's not a mistaken "E" for "Entrapper".
They're not supposed to do that.
You didn't actually read it, did you.I'm not your research assistant. Conservatives are the party of personal responsibility, initiative and self-reliance until they need hand holding to use the internets.
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It was.And they didn't or that would be a defense.
Then the system worked. They still had a duty to report it.It was.
EXPLAINER: Jury mulls entrapment in Whitmer kidnap plot case
Jurors deliberating at the trial of four men charged with plotting to kidnap Michigan Gov. Gretchen Whitmer must answer a key question about whether the FBI engaged in entrapmentabcnews.go.comJury Refuses To Convict Men Entrapped By FBI In Whitmer Kidnapping Plot
The FBI's plot draws strong parallels to the agency's attempts to charge and convict the Bundy group for occupying federal land in 2016.thefederalist.com
But not facilitate it. That's the problem with entrapment.Then the system worked. They still had a duty to report it.
He used to be friends of police before he let his mob brutalized them. Whatever serves his purpose is what he honors.Trump is friend of the military or veterans.
Hard to tell him apart from Alex Jones at times....
So..If trump planned and encouraged the J6 attacks...he should be charged. Good to know....BTW...the majority of people charged were not charged as conspirators...they were charged with providing material support. And again...anyone guilty of a crime should be punished (though I would bet if the subject were different plenty of leftists would be shrieking "entrapment").
How's your forty thousand posts going, or did you forget? No problem if you did, I'll keep reminding you.I didn't inflate anything.
Echoes of FBI Entrapment Haunt Failed Plot to Kidnap Gretchen Whitmer
“It becomes really dicey when there are nearly as many informants as there are defendants,” a former federal prosecutor told The Intercept.theintercept.com
I note you don't question the validity here but on the other case you deny it. Interesting.
How the FBI Created a Terrorist
In 2012, Sami Osmakac was 25 years old, broke and struggling with mental illness. His family wanted to get him help. The FBI wanted him to plot a terrorist attack.theintercept.comFake terror plots, paid informants: the tactics of FBI 'entrapment' questioned
Critics say bureau is running a sting operation across America, targeting vulnerable people by luring them into fake terror plotswww.theguardian.com
"theories but no evidence"How's your forty thousand posts going, or did you forget? No problem if you did, I'll keep reminding you.
He’s just letting his inner Alex Jones emerge.Donald Trump claims Jan 6 riots and plot against Gretchen Whitmer were ‘fake’
‘The sting that they did involving Gretchen Whitmer was fake, just like those who instigated January 6’www.independent.co.uk
Never mind that trump was still president when J6 happened. So he is claiming that the government that he was over faked J6. trump is the worst liar I have ever known.
In your mind, telling people to go and peacefully protest is 'planned and encouraged'. Yet when presented with CLEAR evidence of rat politicians saying everything Trump said and far worse during a period where there were over 500 riots nationwide, you say nothing.He used to be friends of police before he let his mob brutalized them. Whatever serves his purpose is what he honors.
So..If trump planned and encouraged the J6 attacks...he should be charged. Good to know....
LOCK TRUMP UP, LOCK TRUMP UP, LOCK TRUMP UPHe used to be friends of police before he let his mob brutalized them. Whatever serves his purpose is what he honors.
So..If trump planned and encouraged the J6 attacks...he should be charged. Good to know....
You are so very owned by trump. He told the people to "fight like Hell. He gave them the impression that if they did not fight they would lose their country. It is all on video. and he started inciting his mob even before the election. trump is a slug.In your mind, telling people to go and peacefully protest is 'planned and encouraged'. Yet when presented with CLEAR evidence of rat politicians saying everything Trump said and far worse during a period where there were over 500 riots nationwide, you say nothing.
YOU are the ****ing problem. You and people like you.
He has broken dozens of more norms and laws than Hillary did. But the Dems will not shout this at rallies....like the trump cult did. It is something authoritarians and fascist do.LOCK TRUMP UP, LOCK TRUMP UP, LOCK TRUMP UP
DEMS NEED TO GET TOUGH AND THEY NEED MORE FIGHTHe has broken dozens of more norms and laws than Hillary did. But the Dems will not shout this at rallies....like the trump cult did. It is something authoritarians and fascist do.
True....trump is a bloodthirsty thug. He has no dignity. He has no boundaries.DEMS NEED TO GET TOUGH AND THEY NEED MORE FIGHT
Dems maybe need to copy Trump in some ways like deny things that happened in BLM protests and call them fake.True....trump is a bloodthirsty thug. He has no dignity. He has no boundaries.
How nice for you.I accept your concession.
Your response is so ****ing pathetic.You are so very owned by trump. He told the people to "fight like Hell. He gave them the impression that if they did not fight they would lose their country. It is all on video. and he started inciting his mob even before the election. trump is a slug.