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'Astonishing Moral Cowardice': Sanders and Khanna Denounce $738 Billion Bipartisan Pentagon Giveaway

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'Astonishing Moral Cowardice': Sanders and Khanna Denounce $738 Billion Bipartisan Pentagon Giveaway | Common Dreams News

Common Dreams said:
After House and Senate negotiators reached an agreement Monday on a massive annual military spending measure, Sen. Bernie Sanders and Rep. Ro Khanna condemned the bipartisan compromise as "a bill of astonishing moral cowardice" that will hand the Pentagon $738 billion in 2020 while doing nothing to end U.S. complicity in Saudi Arabia's assault on Yemen.

"Congress should have used this National Defense Authorization Act to stop our endless wars," Sanders and Khanna said in a joint statement late Monday. "Instead, this bill does nothing to rein in out-of-control military spending, prevent unconstitutional war against Iran, limit the poisoning of Americans' drinking water, or end the obscenity of innocent children in Yemen being killed by U.S. bombs."

The two progressives noted that the tens of billions of dollars in additional Pentagon spending under the 2020 NDAA would be "more than enough to fund tuition-free public college across America."

As Common Dreams reported last month, Sanders and Khanna led an effort to include amendments to the NDAA that would cut off U.S. support for Saudi Arabia's bombings in Yemen, which have fueled the worst humanitarian crisis in the world.

...But during negotiations with the Senate, the House agreed to strike from the final NDAA a provision that would have suspended the sale of U.S. air-to-ground munitions to Saudi Arabia and the United Arab Emirates for one year. No other amendments to end U.S. complicity in Yemen were included in the measure, which could receive a vote in the House as soon as Wednesday.

House-backed provisions to stop Trump from attacking Iran and reverse the president's transgender military ban were also cut out of the final version of the 2020 NDAA.

The House did agree to create a "Space Force"—a move long supported by Trump—in exchange for 12 weeks of paid parental leave for federal workers.
Great! 12 weeks paid parental leave for federal workers in exchange for giving Trump and the Senate literally everything they wanted, including that ridiculous 'Space Force', and otherwise getting rolled; pathetic. So much for the so-called 'resistance', Pelosi's vaunted leadership and the House majority, especially on matters of obvious consequence such as this.
 
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So Sander's view is that unless we support terrorist insurgents in Yemen against Saudi Arabia, we should abolish our military. Anyone surprised he furiously supports radicals and terrorists against the USA and wants to totally eliminate our military on their behalf?
 

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So Sander's view is that unless we support terrorist insurgents in Yemen against Saudi Arabia, we should abolish our military. Anyone surprised he furiously supports radicals and terrorists against the USA and wants to totally eliminate our military on their behalf?
Hot take. However, not wanting to be party to Saudi Arabia's war crime riddled conflict with Yemen has exactly nothing to do with 'supporting terrorist insurgents' there, not even getting into your laughably asinine assertions that Sanders 'supports radicals and terrorists against the USA' or 'wants to totally eliminate our military'.
 
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So Sander's view is that unless we support terrorist insurgents in Yemen against Saudi Arabia, we should abolish our military. Anyone surprised he furiously supports radicals and terrorists against the USA and wants to totally eliminate our military on their behalf?
Holy hyperbolic nonsense Batman!
 

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'Astonishing Moral Cowardice': Sanders and Khanna Denounce $738 Billion Bipartisan Pentagon Giveaway | Common Dreams News



Great! 12 weeks paid parental leave for federal workers in exchange for giving Trump and the Senate literally everything they wanted, including that ridiculous 'Space Force', and otherwise getting rolled; pathetic. So much for the so-called 'resistance', Pelosi's vaunted leadership and the House majority, especially on matters of obvious consequence such as this.
Well, he's getting "impeached" so it doesn't matter right?
 

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Well, he's getting "impeached" so it doesn't matter right?
Nah. Pelosi kowtowing to the Republicans and playing legislative pattycakes with them is a problem well beyond Trump. Whatever reputation she has for being a so-called 'master legislator' is utterly undermined by this, nevermind her likewise glaring failure to rescind the Bush era Medicare Modernization Act's repeal of drug price negotiation rights for Medicare, ostensibly in hope of getting Senate and executive sign offs. To essentially no one's surprise, it was ultimately blocked anyways (and she had to be dragged kicking and screaming by progressives to a version of the bill that was half-way substantive).
 
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'Astonishing Moral Cowardice': Sanders and Khanna Denounce $738 Billion Bipartisan Pentagon Giveaway | Common Dreams News

Great! 12 weeks paid parental leave for federal workers in exchange for giving Trump and the Senate literally everything they wanted, including that ridiculous 'Space Force', and otherwise getting rolled; pathetic. So much for the so-called 'resistance', Pelosi's vaunted leadership and the House majority, especially on matters of obvious consequence such as this.
Not sure why you're poo pooing the Space Force as experts of all political persuasions thing it a good idea. Few months ago I was listening to (iirc an expert from NASA) NPR and he also was saying that it was a good idea.
 

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Not sure why you're poo pooing the Space Force as experts of all political persuasions thing it a good idea. Few months ago I was listening to (iirc an expert from NASA) NPR and he also was saying that it was a good idea.
Why a Space Force Can Wait | Center for Strategic and International Studies

Ten Ways A Space Force Will Make America Weaker

Scientists Warn Trump's Space Force Could incentivize Nations To Build Space Weapons: 'A Profoundly Bad Idea'

Why Trump'''s Space Force is a bad idea, according to a Lehigh prof and former astronaut - lehighvalleylive.com

Trump’s “Space Force” idea is a terrible solution to a real problem.


To summarize/condense:

#1: The function is already handled by the air force.

#2: The formation of this new branch of the military creates administrative and bureaucratic redundancies that wastes money while undermining command integration (a point specifically brought up by James Mattis).

#3: Space operations are strictly supportive at the moment of other branches of the armed forces, and thus it makes sense to have them be subordinate to one or more existing branches, rather than creating a separate and co-equal branch unaccountable to them.

#4: Overall, while one can argue that an escalation of resources for space operations as well as a reorganization of how space assets are currently commanded may be beneficial, there does not seem to be a specific, pressing need for a separate Space Force branch specifically at this time, or at the very least, one has yet to be demonstrated; a change of this significance should be justified by sober and objective studies as opposed to individual opinion or presidential whims.
 

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Inb4 the Conservatard-adjacent Democratic establishment comes in to **** up the thread about Bernie "Women Have Rape Fantasies" Sanders (clearly a different Bernie Sanders probably the one from the Upside-Down where most Democrats live) being antisemitic and a commieRussianAsset! But they won't stop there, no, not until they've tried to bully you into voting for Trump/GOP on at least one occasion (true story too, right after I got done telling him his unhealthy obsession with Bernie Sanders was going to get Trump reelected. He literally all he could come up with was, "LMAO WHY DONT YOU VOTE TRUMP HERPDERP"

This country is a ****ing disgrace...
 

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Inb4 the Conservatard-adjacent Democratic establishment comes in to **** up the thread about Bernie "Women Have Rape Fantasies" Sanders (clearly a different Bernie Sanders probably the one from the Upside-Down where most Democrats live) being antisemitic and a commieRussianAsset! But they won't stop there, no, not until they've tried to bully you into voting for Trump/GOP on at least one occasion (true story too, right after I got done telling him his unhealthy obsession with Bernie Sanders was going to get Trump reelected. He literally all he could come up with was, "LMAO WHY DONT YOU VOTE TRUMP HERPDERP"

This country is a ****ing disgrace...
Biden certainly thinks you should 'vote for Trump' if you disagree with him on policy: Movimiento Cosecha on Twitter: ""YOU SHOULD VOTE FOR TRUMP" - @JoeBiden.

An immigrant leader confronted Biden in Greenwood, SC about her fear of ICE. She said it's hard for the community to trust him because he defends Obama's deportations.

Then Biden told the Cosecha organizer translating to vote for Trump.… https://t.co/9K8AktXH62"
 

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So Sander's view is that unless we support terrorist insurgents in Yemen against Saudi Arabia, we should abolish our military. Anyone surprised he furiously supports radicals and terrorists against the USA and wants to totally eliminate our military on their behalf?
What? No aspect of what he said implies any of this.
 

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Guess everyone's a Trump supporter now...


...mother of god we're ****ed.
If Democrats are dumb enough to nominate Joe Biden, they deserve the consequences.
 

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I've never supported Biden, but the problem is that person was demanding something impossible, which is to stop ALL deportations - none. If you want a candidate to tell you it will happen, you're asking for someone to be a liar to make you feel good, because a policy of NO deportations just will never happen and frankly should never happen. And such a policy won't have public support and if enacted would be a bloodbath for the Democratic party.

It's better to engage people and explain why than telling them if they don't like it vote for the other guy, but at some level reasoning with someone like that is a waste of time.
 

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I've never supported Biden, but the problem is that person was demanding something impossible, which is to stop ALL deportations - none. If you want a candidate to tell you it will happen, you're asking for someone to be a liar to make you feel good, because a policy of NO deportations just will never happen and frankly should never happen. And such a policy won't have public support and if enacted would be a bloodbath for the Democratic party.

It's better to engage people and explain why than telling them if they don't like it vote for the other guy, but at some level reasoning with someone like that is a waste of time.
Yes it is obviously better to at least make an attempt to reason with someone who is clearly a Democrat as opposed to a bad faith heckler, rather than blowing him off like this when you haven't even won the primary. Joe was frankly being a dismissive, arrogant asshole whether or not this protester could be persuaded. Moreover, at the time the protester was explaining his rightful disappointment with Obama's immigration policy; nothing about that at all justifies what Biden said.
 
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