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Assassination of JFK

Re: Assisination of JFK

politic_analyst said:
The only issue of today is that most if not all of the people that were involved are probably all dead. Evidences have been tampered with and its not because of human mistakes, someone really wanted to clean up the tracks that might have implicated them in the 60's. We can only use logic and it sure looks like a conspiracy to get rid of kennedy.
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Believers in a
JFK Assassination Conspiracy

Lyndon Baines Johnson, President of the United States69

Richard M. Nixon, President of the United States70

John B. Connally, Governor of Texas71

J. Edgar Hoover, Director of the FBI

Clyde Tolson, Associate Director of the FBI72

Cartha DeLoach, Assistant Director of the FBI

William Sullivan, FBI Domestic Intelligence Chief

John McCone, Director of the CIA

David Atlee Phillips, CIA disinformation specialist
(Chief of Covert Actions, Mexico City, 1963)

Stanley Watson, CIA, Chief of Station

The Kennedy family73

Admiral (Dr.) George Burkley, White House physician

James J. Rowley, Chief of the Secret Service74

Robert Knudsen, White House photographer (who saw autopsy photos)

Jesse Curry, Chief of Police,75 Dallas Police Department

Roy Kellerman (heard JFK speak after supposed magic bullet)

William Greer (the driver of the Lincoln limousine)

Abraham Bolden, Secret Service, White House detail & Chicago office

John Norris, Secret Service (worked for LBJ; researched case for decades)

Evelyn Lincoln, JFK’s secretary

Abraham Zapruder, most famous home movie photographer in history

James Tague, struck by a bullet fragment in Dealey Plaza

Hugh Huggins, CIA operative, conducted private investigation for RFK

Sen. Richard Russell, member of the Warren Commission

John J. McCloy, member of the Warren Commission

Bertrand Russell, British mathematician and philosopher

Hugh Trevor-Roper, Regius Professor of Modern History at Oxford University

Michael Foot, British MP

Senator Richard Schweiker, assassinations subcommittee (Church Committee)

Tip O’Neill, Speaker of the House (he assumed JFK’s congressional seat)

Rep. Henry Gonzalez (introduced bill to establish HSCA)

Rep. Don Edwards, chaired HSCA hearings (former FBI agent)

Frank Ragano, attorney for Trafficante, Marcello, Hoffa

Marty Underwood, advance man for Dallas trip

Riders in follow-up car: JFK aides Kenny O’Donnell and Dave Powers

Sam Kinney, Secret Service driver of follow-up car

Paul Landis, passenger in Secret Service follow-up car

John Marshall, Secret Service

John Norris, Secret Service

H. L. Hunt, right-wing oil baron

John Curington, H.L. Hunt’s top aide

Bill Alexander, Assistant Dallas District Attorney

Robert Blakey, Chief Counsel for the HSCA

Robert Tanenbaum, Chief Counsel for the HSCA

Richard A. Sprague, Chief Counsel for the HSCA

Gary Cornwell, Deputy Chief Counsel for the HSCA

Parkland doctors: McClelland, Crenshaw, Stewart, Seldin, Goldstrich, Zedlitz, Jones, Akin, and others

Bethesda witnesses: virtually all of the paramedical personnel

All of the jurors in Garrison’s trial of Clay Shaw76

Bobby Hargis, Dealey Plaza motorcycle man

Mary Woodward, Dallas Morning News (and eyewitness in Dealey Plaza)

Maurice G. Marineau, Secret Service, Chicago office

Most of the American public

Most of the world’s citizens

We are not the only ones who believe in conspiracy.
 
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On 10-17-07 I am at this writing listening to Vincent Bugliosi on the radio discuss his new book he worked on for twenty years and is one and one half million words. He conclusion as callers are calling in with what they heard or read, is there is no conspiracy, None, not one, not nothing. The book is titled, "Recaliming History The Killing of President Kennedy". Bugliosi is the prosecutor in the Charles Manson case.

download this at www. dennisprager.com
 
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Re: Assisination of JFK

rhinefire said:
On 10-17-07 I am at this writing listening to Vincent Bugliosi on the radio discuss his new book he worked on for twenty years and is one and one half million words. He conclusion as callers are calling in with what they heard or read, is there is no conspiracy, None, not one, not nothing. The book is titled, "Recaliming History The Killing of President Kennedy". Bugliosi is the prosecutor in the Charles Manson case.

download this at www. dennisprager.com
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Good catch I'm going to listen to it now, Bugliousi is great these nutters are to that generation as truthers are to this one.

Here's a direct link:

Townhall.com::Talk Radio Online::Radio Show
 
Re: Assisination of JFK

rhinefire said:
On 10-17-07 I am at this writing listening to Vincent Bugliosi on the radio discuss his new book he worked on for twenty years and is one and one half million words. He conclusion as callers are calling in with what they heard or read, is there is no conspiracy, None, not one, not nothing. The book is titled, "Recaliming History The Killing of President Kennedy". Bugliosi is the prosecutor in the Charles Manson case.

download this at www. dennisprager.com
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Essay - Reply From a Conspiracy Believer - MFF This is a reply from Gaeton Fonzi, an investigator for the Church Committee and The House Select Committee on Investigations. His reply is to Vincent Bugliosi's book.
 
Re: Assisination of JFK

politic_analyst said:
Does anyone know if JFK survived the assasination if he would have involved the US in the Vietnam war? Since the cover up probably was to the highest level. I heard someone from the administration made tons of money because of the vietnam war.
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LBJ's wife had alot of stock in Bell Heilicpoter
 
Re: Assisination of JFK

Vader said:
There was a fence on the top section of the knoll at that time. The assassin could've used it as cover. There could be a dozen or more explanations.
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A small fence and there is a wide open parking lot behind it with people coming and going to see the motorcade, no cover.
 
Concerning the knoll, there is one eyewitness (who passed away under mysterious circumstances) that was behind the fence in a railway control tower who said he saw two shooters. There is also some evidence that the immediate area behind the knoll was cleared of traffic starting about an hour before the assassination.

That said, I am pretty positive that if there was a grassy knoll shooter, any bullets he or she fired didn't matter significantly. The fatal shot, IMO, came from the Dal-Tex building. The second floor window that opened onto a broom closet is the only location that lines up with the entry-exit trajectory identified by Dr. Bosworth in the Autopsy. The Sixth floor TSBP window doesn't remotely line up--had a bullet from that location hit where the autopsists said it did, it would have exited around JFK's mouth (he'd still be dead, of course...).
 
In terms of what anyone saw, did you ever watch a porting game and swear up and down the referee got the call wrong only to see on instant replay what you swore you saw never happened. Add that everyday occurrance to the chaos that was present at the time and you have the perfect formula for "unreliable witnesses".
 
That's certainly true. However, eyewitness testimony isn't completely unreliable. Under the right circumstances, it can be highly reliable. There is actually a study of how to handle eyewitness testimony; I forget exactly what the field is called. They've found some pretty surprising things about what sorts of testimony is reliable and what isn't.

As for the guy in the railway control tower, he wasn't aware there was an assassination until about an hour later, so he wasn't under any kind of stress or anything. He was positioned about fifty yards behind the fence.

I've gone to Dealey Plaza a few times and walked around. I've gone up to the sixth floor of the TSBD and looked out the window next to the sniper's nest, and I've gone to the Dal-Tex building, I've looked out from behind the fence (which is still there) on the grassy knoll, and I've stood on the "x" they have painted on the street and looked around as well.

After doing that a few times, I am entirely convinced that Oswald was not the lone assassin (well, that's not the only thing that convinces me, but that would have been enough). For one thing, none of the shots would have lined up with the spot where the fragment hit James Tague. For another, the lone assassin theory requires that Oswald missed the closest shot, which he would have fired while the secret service car was directly under his window. If he was willing to take that kind of risk, why not take the much easier shot while Kennedy was on Houston? Would have been a clear, close shot. The only drawback would be that the target was sinking in his FOV, but at that range (less than 20 yards), that wouldn't be a consideration. Doesn't get any sweeter than that if you're a sniper.

Instead, he waited until he'd have to twist his body into a weird position (you have to see the window to understand) and the target was moving away from him. Possible? Sure. Sensical? No, not really.

On the other hand, if there was a three or four man team, waiting until Kennedy was in the zone where all the firing arcs intersected would make sense.
 
He was killed by the mafia.

It was the Chicago mob that gave him Illinois during the 1960 election (cemetaries of dead people voting Kennedy - enough to put the state of IL to him over Nixon)...

And then Kennedy went after the mob, and got whacked because of it.

Then a few years later, his brother - the mob prosecutor - got whacked.
 
I have to agree it would have to have been the mob if in fact, there was a conspiracy at all. Only the mob would take down not only the president but his brother again if there was a conspiracy. On RFK what better patsy than someone from the middle east. I mean you would not want an Italian do do it point blank after all the hinting at Giancana's possible link to JFK. To consider LBJ is rediculous as he was very content with the VP job and the last thing he wanted was the presidency as he proved. Kruschev would never think it as he liked JFK and he knew we were never going to back down from the Soviet Union much less him order JFK killed.
I do not believe Ruby's role as a conspirator despite what has been stated in the past. You could even say it was Dallas that did it after all, how could they not quaranteen the police station with the captured alleged assasinator of the President of the United States? Ruby was there because he was a frequent visitor to go the station and they all knew him to just come by and chat. But still a crime of this magnitude and to not barricade everyone from coming in? Stupid and to the extent of being suspicious.
 
I've always thought that General Edwin Walker was involved in the assassination of JFK Edwin Walker in this clip you will see Micheal Paine talking, this is Ruth Paines husband (woman that Marina stayed with) Michael Paine was an Eng. at Bell Helicopter and member of the John Birch Society. The fact that he was a Bircher and probably held those hard right political views, would allow a Russian defector and a self professed Commie to live in his house is unbelievable. The story at the time was so his wife could practice Russian with Marina. I don't think that would have gone over to well down at the local John Birch society Chapter, unless they had a plan for Lee "the Commie" Oswald. H.L. Hunt the rich and powerful Texas oil man, among others, was a John Bircher and financed Edwin Walkers run for Governor of Texas (which he lost) YouTube - The City Of Dallas - 1963 This was the state of Dallas before JFK arrived. YouTube - Warning Mr. President and the known political tentions in Dallas at the time had no effect on security of the president. Even the Warren commission pointed out the the bad job the Secret Service and the dallas police did on that day, no one was fired and here is what the Mayor of Dallas had to say YouTube - Mayor Of Dallas - Earl Cabell. With all the hard right political, anti-communist and segregationist views in Dallas, its ironic that a commie blew JFK away, the President, the hard right claimed to be a Communist sympathizer. YouTube - Coverup: The Warren Commission
 
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