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As Trump calls for a border wall to keep trouble out, illegal U.S. guns are fuelling violence in Mex

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From the CBC

As Trump calls for a border wall to keep trouble out, illegal U.S. guns are fuelling violence in Mexico

The violent criminals that U.S. President Donald Trump frequently cites as the justification for a proposed border wall may, in fact, be getting their weapons from his own country.

A lucrative black market of U.S. guns purchased through loopholes in American gun legislation is thriving in Mexico, according to research from the Center for American Progress.

Those guns are fuelling the same violence that many asylum seekers and migrants to the U.S. are fleeing.

"People can buy guns at a relatively low cost here in the United States and then sell them [in Mexico] at a very high markup," Chelsea Parsons, who leads the centre's gun violence prevention research, told Day 6 host Brent Bambury.

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They want the guns and are willing to pay a premium price for them so it's only "smart" to sell them the guns. Besides those guns don't kill people because only people kill people.

Right?
 

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Drugs come into the US and guns go out - that seems like a win-win to me. ;)
 

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From the CBC

As Trump calls for a border wall to keep trouble out, illegal U.S. guns are fuelling violence in Mexico

The violent criminals that U.S. President Donald Trump frequently cites as the justification for a proposed border wall may, in fact, be getting their weapons from his own country.

A lucrative black market of U.S. guns purchased through loopholes in American gun legislation is thriving in Mexico, according to research from the Center for American Progress.

Those guns are fuelling the same violence that many asylum seekers and migrants to the U.S. are fleeing.

"People can buy guns at a relatively low cost here in the United States and then sell them [in Mexico] at a very high markup," Chelsea Parsons, who leads the centre's gun violence prevention research, told Day 6 host Brent Bambury.

COMMENT:-

They want the guns and are willing to pay a premium price for them so it's only "smart" to sell them the guns. Besides those guns don't kill people because only people kill people.

Right?

That is another excellent reason to better secure our border. Thank you.
 

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Is anyone concerned that TSA is affected in this shutdown? If I were looking for an opportune moment to take down my enemy, this would be it.
 

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That is another excellent reason to better secure our border. Thank you.

You do know that "The Wall" is NOT designed to keep anything OUT OF Mexico, don't you?

If the drugs can get in, and they can, then the guns can get out, and they will.

Why?

Because there is a whole lot of money to be made from BOTH sets of trafficking.
 

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You do know that "The Wall" is NOT designed to keep anything OUT OF Mexico, don't you?

If the drugs can get in, and they can, then the guns can get out, and they will.

Why?

Because there is a whole lot of money to be made from BOTH sets of trafficking.

That is silly. A wall actually does control traffic going both directions. The idea is to force traffic to the gates (doors) that can be controlled.
 

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That is silly. A wall actually does control traffic going both directions. The idea is to force traffic to the gates (doors) that can be controlled.

Since the drugs are already coming in through the gates that already exist, wouldn't it be productive to take a look at those gates rather than leaving them alone and building more walls that will be ignored because there are already easy ways to circumvent the walls that already exist?
 

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Is anyone concerned that TSA is affected in this shutdown? If I were looking for an opportune moment to take down my enemy, this would be it.

While it is rather ironic that Trump has exposed the soft under belly of America for attack (TSA, Coast Guard, DHS, FBI working without pay) or disaster (air traffic control working without) while shuts down the government arguing that is for security..... I would not fret too much of the TSA, they substantially security theatre in the first place.
 

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From the CBC

As Trump calls for a border wall to keep trouble out, illegal U.S. guns are fuelling violence in Mexico

The violent criminals that U.S. President Donald Trump frequently cites as the justification for a proposed border wall may, in fact, be getting their weapons from his own country.

A lucrative black market of U.S. guns purchased through loopholes in American gun legislation is thriving in Mexico, according to research from the Center for American Progress.

Those guns are fuelling the same violence that many asylum seekers and migrants to the U.S. are fleeing.

"People can buy guns at a relatively low cost here in the United States and then sell them [in Mexico] at a very high markup," Chelsea Parsons, who leads the centre's gun violence prevention research, told Day 6 host Brent Bambury.

COMMENT:-

They want the guns and are willing to pay a premium price for them so it's only "smart" to sell them the guns. Besides those guns don't kill people because only people kill people.

Right?

Looks like Mexico needs the border secured.
 

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While it is rather ironic that Trump has exposed the soft under belly of America for attack (TSA, Coast Guard, DHS, FBI working without pay) or disaster (air traffic control working without) while shuts down the government arguing that is for security..... I would not fret too much of the TSA, they substantially security theatre in the first place.
And just the other day, I was thinking that this is when it will all hit home for Trump:

When a plane goes down, a substantive terrorist incident takes place, or a major health epidemic occurs that's either CDC or FDA related.
 

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Since the drugs are already coming in through the gates that already exist, wouldn't it be productive to take a look at those gates rather than leaving them alone and building more walls that will be ignored because there are already easy ways to circumvent the walls that already exist?

Sure, they should always look to ways to improve screening at border crossings, and i'm sure some drugs come across there. But much of the illegal flow of people, drugs, and weapons occurs elsewhere.
 

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Sure, they should always look to ways to improve screening at border crossings, and i'm sure some drugs come across there. But much of the illegal flow of people, drugs, and weapons occurs elsewhere.

In your statement you should substitute the actual numbers for "some" and "much".

If you do that then your "some" has to have "around 80%" substituted, and your "much" has to have "around 20%" substituted.

While it is true that "80%" IS "some", it is a whole lot more problematic to equate "20%" to "much".
 

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In your statement you should substitute the actual numbers for "some" and "much".

If you do that then your "some" has to have "around 80%" substituted, and your "much" has to have "around 20%" substituted.

While it is true that "80%" IS "some", it is a whole lot more problematic to equate "20%" to "much".

Yes, but it's kind of hard to quantify drugs, weapons, and people crossing in places that aren't monitored, don't ya think? Assuming the border checkpoints stop these at crossing points when they detect them, anything they don't count isn't tallied by crossing point.
 

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Yes, but it's kind of hard to quantify drugs, weapons, and people crossing in places that aren't monitored, don't ya think? Assuming the border checkpoints stop these at crossing points when they detect them, anything they don't count isn't tallied by crossing point.

The usual practice is to "back track" the drugs. That means that a truck that is stopped 10 miles from the border would be "back tracked" and its illegal contents be listed against the "came in across the __[fill in the blank]__ border".

If your conclusion/supposition were to be correct, then the illegal contents of the truck would have to be listed as "of domestic origin" regardless of whether it was wrapped in __[fill in the blank]__ newspapers and labelled "TO:- Los Angeles Drug Lord #1 FROM:- __[fill in the blank]__ Drug Lord A - SHIP VIA __[fill in the blank]__".

In short, the "reality content" of your conclusion/supposition is severely lacking.
 
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