My grandmother died recently and I went to a service held by her sisters in the deep country. She was a liberal woman who moved out of that area, but many people, as you all know, don't care to. In her sister's house are two pictures on either side of the mantle of their grandfather and great uncle (or some ****) - two civil war soldiers for the Confederacy - and in the middle a giant rebel flag. You guys act like it was so long ago, but I actually know people who are still alive who knew and met family members that fought in that war. And then, when you compound Jim Crow laws, and the fact that it didn't really start coming to an end until the 60s and 70s - one generation away for many of (or part of our generation as well), it's ridiculous and embarrassing that people think that there would not be extreme sensitivity.
So... A black baby born into this world is already born resentful towards whites because of something that has happened in history that has not affected them? Even though they don't know the difference between races yet?
Quit jabbering about "Oh Woes R DUH EFFEKZ UF DUH HIZTORY" and make SENSE! What effects of history? At what point in a black person's life is it that they obtain awareness of their inherent resentment towards white people, which is an excusable trait?
You are just repeating the same thing without making any effort to explain why history should matter to the 80s and 90s born black people who have had full and equal opportunity in the country since their birth. You just keep repeating.... "Oh Woez is duh history dat be holdin' da black menzzes down"
And again, we come full circle enough for me to ask... What reason does a 18 year old black male have to resent white people that he should be excused for his resentment?
Socioeconomic status is what matters. An upper class black kid is going to have the same opportunities as an upper class white kid. Same goes for the poor whites and blacks.
BTW: Your links suck... half of them don't work, the others talk about "disease rates are higher for afric.." OF ****ING COURSE THEY ARE... WHITE PEOPLE CAN'T GET SICKLE CELL. Are blacks excused for being resentful towards us for ****ing simple god damned genetics too?
Sorry, I call bull****. "Social capital" is something an INDIVIDUAL builds. You show up to a job interview dressed well, articulate, honest, and qualified for the job, and it doesn't matter if you are black or white. Show up with a ****ty "ghetto" attitude and you'll get turned away, white or black..... with a few areas being an exception to this.
BTW: There you go with that "Dat Dere Hizzztory I dun mentioned before in such a veerrry vague manner"
So I, who had nothing to do with slavery or discrimination........ I am supposed to ACCEPT having people of another race hateful and resentful and distrustful towards me for some **** I didn't do to them, who didn't experience it.... and you expect the racial "gap" to be bridged? GTFO. Until blacks can grow up and move on, it ain't going to happen. Im not kissing someone's ass because of some **** I didn't do, and I am sick of walking on eggshells. So call me a racist... cause I didn't have **** to do with it.
And yet that is an alternate reality to the one being faced by blacks born in the current generation of mid 20s and early 30 year olds.......... Nobody is paying **** back. Last time I checked, my black friends don't have a ****ing check they have to send off to the "Cracker Slave Massa" that sets them back every month. So your analogy can suck a nut.
You see.... Apparently you think you are talking to just another privileged northern hand flopping white dude whose parents had plenty of "opportunity" to pass on to them.
No, I grew up moving from one "trailer" to the next......When I got out of high school I joined the Army..... something any black guy or gal could, and many did. When I left the military after serving my time, I joined a police department, where many black guys and gals could, and did, join as well.
So you see..... Claiming I had some kind of special leg up in life because I am white is just ****ing stupid. Any poor black person who stayed out of trouble (that is THEIR responsibility to do, regardless of where they life) and stayed in school (THEIR RESPONSIBILITY) could have done the same thing.
If someone lacked the ability to make good decisions, they can't blame that **** on their race.... because I know plenty of broke ass crackers in North Carolina who made ****ty decisions too.
African Americans just lack the social capital that white Americans have, and we can find good reasons why. Those reasons started in the history I've mentioned, and they continue to have an effect on the present.
Now lets examine why that is. The most prominent leaders in the black community LOVE stirring the pot. Their mantra is that you didn't get that job, you are poor, or you were arrested not because you didn't graduate from high school, take responsibility for your life, or commit a crime but because ol' racist whitey is at it again. And then there's a distorted earful of life for blacks 200 years ago and calls for a riot. We don't hear many leaders in the black community mention that only 4% of whites were actually slave holders, that the largest slave holder in Louissianna was actually a black woman, or that the first self-made millionairess was a black woman. Instead, its a bunch of bull saying that you aren't responsible for the state of your life and you'll never get a fair shot because everyone is racist and those successful black men and women are race traitors.
The disadvantages experienced by the black community in modern society are of their own making not the result of anything the white man has done to them. Black Americans have been offered every advantage we can provide and its not our fault that many choose to sell crack on street corners instead of graduating from high school and/or going to college. Is that racist? No, its the reality of the world we live in. A world in which success is demonized by the leaders of the black community and everything else is someone else's fault.
20s and early 30 year old blacks have no excuse to be sensitive about those issues.
If your parents grew up watching white people riot and inciting violence because your people want their rights, how do you think your parents would raise you? Or is the nurture aspect all bull****?
Instead we get to watch (with our own eyes) blacks riot, loot, and incite violence because some thug with 15 outstanding warrants was shot by the police for resisting arrest, running into a dark alley, and reaching into his pants. So, what perceptions and attitudes do you think are justifiable for whites in response to that? Should we all walk around with a big fat chip on our shoulder and blame the blacks for our failures in life? Or is this just a one-way street?
You trying to say only black people do that these days?
First of all, Jamie Foxx is neither. Second, why? If I have family members alive who knew people who fought in the civil war, then many can probably do the same with slaves. Then when you consider that many 20-30 year olds' parents were either around or part of the abuse and violence during the civil rights era... I'd say that's a downright ignorant statement. If your parents grew up watching white people riot and inciting violence because your people want their rights, how do you think your parents would raise you? Or is the nurture aspect all bull****?
You trying to say only black people do that these days? It's people like you that really keep this issue alive. The less people like you talk, the better this country will fair.
You want to paint it as blame for failures, instead of a deep wound that is still healing. An entire class doesn't just climb out of the depths it was thrown into in 40 years.
I'm not aware of any other group which has held an American city hostage to rioting, arson, looting, and violence in recent memory. Are you? I didn't see white people dragging innocent blacks out of their cars and beating them during the Cincinnati riots. Neither did I see mobs of white people throwing molotov cocktails at City Hall, storming city council meetings, looting downtown, burning down a 150 year old market, attempting to raid an arsenal, or threatening to violently invade a high school prom. I saw the opposite and, according to your logic, I'd be justified in teaching white children that black people are out to get them. Its people like YOU who keep this issue alive; by insisting that blacks should believe themselves to be victims of imagined racism and are justified in refusing to take responsibility for their own future.
For the next five nights, gunshots rang out in the streets. Gangs of armed white extremists sped through black neighborhoods. White-owned businesses were firebombed.
Before it ended, two people were dead. Property damage exceeded $500,000. Gov. Bob Scott sent 600 National Guardsmen and a 75-trooper riot squad from the N.C. Highway Patrol to Wilmington to help local police restore order.
It does if you stop excusing bad behavior on account of it.
That is all I am asking, treat blacks like you would treat any white person when it comes to their opinion on people of another race. If they are intolerant, treat them like you would an intolerant white person.
Think of it as an employee who is malingering or slacking or taking advantage of your niceness to get away with not doing some work. If you keep saying, Okay its okay... I understand it takes time to recover from your grandma you met once dying, etc, etc.... For some people, they will take advantage of an excuse as long as they possibly can. I've seen it every where I've gone.
Its no different. Ideas on race relations have changed drastically in white households and continues to change as more adults become parents and raise their children to love all. The same can happen in black families as long as people drop the attitude.
So its evil ole whitey's fault that parents of current 20-30 year olds failed them by raising them to hate?
Is it acceptable to do this when you are black, but when ignorant southern crackers raise their kids to hate negros it on par with child abuse?
That individuals have, and will continue to have. You are not going to stop individuals from being racist. Its going to happen. However, excusing black on white race resentment publicly, allowing blacks to be resentful and open with their resentment of whites without forcing THEM as well to have "back room discussions" is only going to breed more racial resentment from whites.Racism these days is hidden to back room discussions. The look over your should before you speak type discussions.
And yet, the same lingering effects will be had on a white kid who grew up in a majority black neighborhood, surrounded by the kids who were raised by these parents in a social atmosphere where society says, "Its okay for blacks to resent white people, we understand", and where because of this, all the black kids beat up the cracker and talked **** about him, and made him feel like crap. So he and his 2 other white kids in the neighborhood grow up to hate black people, and raise kids who hate black people, etc, etc.And you can diminish the nurture aspect all you want, but it just speaks volumes to the rights inability to understand basic concepts that scientific minds have figured out long ago. It's not the grandmother you met once who knew her grandfather who was whipped and enslaved. It's the grandmother who raised your mother who raised you. And that mother was alive and at the riots in Alabama when black people tried to get an education with whites. What kind of faith do you think that woman would have in humanity? Why would you not expect there to be lingering effects?
Until resentful blacks are looked upon like any white person who uses the word nigger......Then yes their behavior is being excused.It's common sense man. Nobody is excusing anything. It's called using your ****ing head.
That's a bunch of hyperbole. Who is talking about hate? As I recall, this thread was about Jamie Foxx being racially sensitive.
Jesus you people watch too much Fox News. It's one logical fallacy after another.
Funny.
This thread long ago stopped being about Jaimie Fox being sensitive.
Yet every time a liberal gets backed into a corner on the issue of being an apologist for black racial resentment, they jump back to Jamie Fox and his sensitivity.
That individuals have, and will continue to have. You are not going to stop individuals from being racist. Its going to happen. However, excusing black on white race resentment publicly, allowing blacks to be resentful and open with their resentment of whites without forcing THEM as well to have "back room discussions" is only going to breed more racial resentment from whites.
And yet, the same lingering effects will be had on a white kid who grew up in a majority black neighborhood, surrounded by the kids who were raised by these parents in a social atmosphere where society says, "Its okay for blacks to resent white people, we understand", and where because of this, all the black kids beat up the cracker and talked **** about him, and made him feel like crap. So he and his 2 other white kids in the neighborhood grow up to hate black people, and raise kids who hate black people, etc, etc.
Until resentful blacks are looked upon like any white person who uses the word nigger......Then yes their behavior is being excused.
That's what I was replying to. Sorry if you tried to derail the thread. Should you get back on topic?
Well, first of all, you compared resentful black folks to the word nigger. There is your first logical fallacy. You can't compare feelings to a word.
You think black people can just walk around at work being racist? That's ridiculous. Racism is back room everywhere and for everyone. It's just not acceptable anymore. Kanye West got made fun of for years for his "George Bush doesn't care about black people" comment. Tracy Morgan got in hot water for going off on gays.
The right-wing is the most persecuted, whiny ****ing group of all time. OMG WAR CHRISTMAS. OMG BLACK PEOPLE HATE WHITES. OMG CHRISTIANITY ISN'T THE ONLY FAITH PEOPLE CARE ABOUT. Jesus Christ.
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And of course, yeah, your little tale would have an effect on the white kid. That's exactly what I am talking about. It's a reverberating effect that will take who knows how long to heal. Hopefully one day it will. But one lifetime surely isn't enough, and I hope you aren't sincerely suggesting that.
Here are some pictures of the Penn State riot: In fact, here is a list of riots in the US
Wilmington Riots
Care to rethink that racist attitude or will ignorance prevail with you? The force is strong, I can tell.
I know it won't take one lifetime....
But like with the pity party malingering employee....... the black community won't have any incentive to "get over it" any faster if the rest of us keep saying, "Its okay, we understand why you feel resentful towards whites and we understand and its okay for you to feel that way".
Out of control college block parties are a far cry from the Cincinnati Riots.
I said recent not 40 years ago.
And here we are ladies and gentleman. Its okay for a black kid to hate white people because of something that happened 200 years ago, its wrong for a white kid to hate black people because of something that happened 10 years ago, and I'm a racist because I want blacks to find better role models than drug dealers, gangsters, and those who encourage them to blame white people for their problems and demonize successful blacks as race traitors. :lamo
You can pick and choose which violence is ok and which is not?
You are racist because you say stupid things like only black people cause violent riots.
I think you are mixing up excuses with understanding. We all need to do a better job of understanding each other
You are racist because you say stupid things like only black people cause violent riots.
That is precisely what you are doing. You've made it clear that you think that white-on-black crime 40 years ago justifies a victim mindset for 20 year old black men and women but black-on-white crime 10 years ago does not justify that same mindset for 20 year old white men and women. Yes, I can pick and choose because the motivation, extent, and level violence is completely different. A drunk college student throwing a couch over a balcony or burning a dumpster because his favorite football team lost is much different than targeting white people for violence because the police shot a wanted criminal.
If you can't tell the difference between drunk college students burning a dumpster in the street and the Cincinnati Riots then there's no hope for you.
And here we go, perfect example of stuff I was talking about earlier.
Can you explain to me how him saying stupid things like only black people cause violent riots makes him a racist?
How is that comment evidence that he believes black people to be naturally inferior to any other race, or any other race to be naturally superior to those that are black?
Telling anyone its okay to resent me for something I had nothing to do with is NOT acceptable.
Period.
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