Arpaio admits he hired PI to investigate judge's wife

[mike2810]

Tens of millions of dollars, and deaths and breaking the law. If that is the kind of elected official you want, so be it. But he is a crook.

and your opinion is noted.

Then JA not much different than some of the ex country supervisors. :mrgreen:

 

[Gimmesometruth]

and your opinion is noted.

Then JA not much different than some of the ex country (sic) supervisors. :mrgreen:

Sheriff Joke is nowhere near any Maricopa COUNTY supervisor in costs to the COUNTY, not by a long shot. What is ironic is that the COUNTY has had to payout to former sups for wrongdoing by Joke.

 

[Gimmesometruth]

The Sheriff did not use a deputy. He didn't do anything. His lawyer did.

The sheriff said his "counsel" had hired a private detective, who confirmed the story.

Which counsel?

"I believe it would be Casey," Arpaio stated, meaning Phoenix attorney Tim Casey, who removed himself from Melendres in November.

Asked about Arpaio's statements, Casey's ethics attorney Karen Clark issued the following statement from Casey:

Mr. Casey represented Sheriff Joe Arpaio and the Maricopa County Sheriff's Office for many years. Sheriff Arpaio and MCSO are his former clients. Because of this, Mr. Casey has continuing ethical obligations to Sheriff Arpaio and MCSO. Those obligations mean that his ability to respond to what happened in court today is limited.
Mr. Casey is confident that when the evidence the Court's monitor is gathering is reviewed, it will reveal that Mr. Casey was never involved in an investigation of Judge Snow or his family.​

Arpaio Cops to Investigating Federal Judge, Judge's Wife, Confirming New Times Story - Page 2 | Phoenix New Times

 

[Master PO]

You really don't understand it, Vance. We live it. We pay for it. Arpaio is costing us tens of millions of dollars. He is an embarrassment to Maricopa. What you are reading and likely what you know is a smidgeon of the story.

do you live there too?

wonder how many people from Maricopa are on the forum?

 

[VanceMack]

Uh, you are missing the point of the entire hearing...it is about Arpaio deliberately defying a federal court order and continuing to disobey the law. The fact that Arpaio has to do dirty crap like this is just the tip of the iceberg.

He runs a jail, not a prison, it is where people go while waiting for a trial. And there have been several deaths in that jail, resulting in millions of dollars that the taxpayers (me) have had to pay. You have no clue about Arpaio, you just eat all the PR crap he feeds you.

Is that what this thread title and in fact the whole article was about? Is that what made people (gasp) gasp?

You go ahead and keep wetting yourself over the people in his tent city. Frankly...I dont have the time or inclination to give a ****. Im tired of them and Im tired of people like you that care so much about 'causes' and focus all your attention on any and everything but the 'solutions'. And while you are at it, round up enough people that feel like you to vote for someone you feel will do the job better and quit whining about it.

 

[beefheart]

Is that what this thread title and in fact the whole article was about? Is that what made people (gasp) gasp?

You go ahead and keep wetting yourself over the people in his tent city. Frankly...I dont have the time or inclination to give a ****. Im tired of them and Im tired of people like you that care so much about 'causes' and focus all your attention on any and everything but the 'solutions'. And while you are at it, round up enough people that feel like you to vote for someone you feel will do the job better and quit whining about it.

Look up how much it cost for supervisor Stapeley, and Wilcox, and two judges, county CIO, etc.

Look up how much it cost for the owners of the New Times Weekly who were arrested and perp walked in the middle of the night, and falsely indicted.

Then look up how much it cost for the wrongful deaths of Norberg, Braillard, Agster, Sherwood, etc.

Look up the James Saville case, where Arpaio had his goons set up a kid with bomb making equipment, then arrest him for plotting to kill Arpaio. that was $1.1 million bucks.

You don't know the Arpaio story, but a lot of people do. I want to see what comes of the evidence found at Almendarez's home, that could be very interesting.

 

[ocean515]

Uh, you are missing the point of the entire hearing...it is about Arpaio deliberately defying a federal court order and continuing to disobey the law. The fact that Arpaio has to do dirty crap like this is just the tip of the iceberg.

He runs a jail, not a prison, it is where people go while waiting for a trial. And there have been several deaths in that jail, resulting in millions of dollars that the taxpayers (me) have had to pay. You have no clue about Arpaio, you just eat all the PR crap he feeds you.

Hey, my two cents. I could give a damn what Arpaio is costing you folks. What he has been doing is trying to stop the Illegal immigration and other law breaking liberals are supporting. With these illegal activities costing the nations taxpayers billions, your pittance paid out is meaningless.

Go Joe!!

 

[mike2810]

Sheriff Joke is nowhere near any Maricopa COUNTY supervisor in costs to the COUNTY, not by a long shot. What is ironic is that the COUNTY has had to payout to former sups for wrongdoing by Joke.

So some of the ex county sups got away with it.

Not to derail, but Mary Rose Wilcox is one I would not consider a shining star, unless someone is an illegal.:mrgreen:

 

[VanceMack]

Look up how much it cost for supervisor Stapeley, and Wilcox, and two judges, county CIO, etc.

Look up how much it cost for the owners of the New Times Weekly who were arrested and perp walked in the middle of the night, and falsely indicted.

Then look up how much it cost for the wrongful deaths of Norberg, Braillard, Agster, Sherwood, etc.

Look up the James Saville case, where Arpaio had his goons set up a kid with bomb making equipment, then arrest him for plotting to kill Arpaio. that was $1.1 million bucks.

You don't know the Arpaio story, but a lot of people do. I want to see what comes of the evidence found at Almendarez's home, that could be very interesting.

So...sheriff...thats an ELECTED position there...right?

 

[beefheart]

Hey, my two cents. I could give a damn what Arpaio is costing you folks. What he has been doing is trying to stop the Illegal immigration and other law breaking liberals are supporting. With these illegal activities costing the nations taxpayers billions, your pittance paid out is meaningless.

Go Joe!!

But, he really isn't doing anything about illegals. What he does, as in the Uncle Sam restaurant case is, go in with the TV cameras and press, publically arrest the owner of the place for hiring illegals, and talk tough. But, months later, turns out that Joe was wrong, and they didn't have evidence, cause, and the restaurant owner is exonorated. And now, another lawsuit.

He breaks the law, do you want LEO's regularly breaking the law? He is a clown. He never cared a lick about illegal immigration until he found out it is a great dog whistle fundraising opportunity.

 

[beefheart]

So...sheriff...thats an ELECTED position there...right?

Yep, he gets the nearly dead to vote for him, raises money nation wide from all the rabble who don't know the whole story, but eat up all the PR baloney he feeds them. He damned near lost last time, he won't be re-elected. Hell, he may not live to another election.

 

[beefheart]

So some of the ex county sups got away with it.

Not to derail, but Mary Rose Wilcox is one I would not consider a shining star, unless someone is an illegal.:mrgreen:

Supervisor Mary Rose won her lawsuit, $975,000, Supervisor Stapley won his case, $3.5 million, his assistant won $500,000,Supervisor Kunasek was paid $123,000, Judge Mundell got $500,000, Judge Fields got $100,000, Judge Baca won $100,000, Judge Donahue won $1.275 million, CIO Wetzel won $75,000. New Times owners won $3.75 million. Wolfswinkle settled for $1..4 million. And this whole Melendres federal findings has cost us over $14 million.

Oh, and those settlements don't cover the cost paid for legal expenses.

http://www.azcentral.com/news/politics/articles/20131219new-times-journalists-were-arrested-dead-night.html

 

[VanceMack]

Yep, he gets the nearly dead to vote for him, raises money nation wide from all the rabble who don't know the whole story, but eat up all the PR baloney he feeds them. He damned near lost last time, he won't be re-elected. Hell, he may not live to another election.

Then its a win win Or he will win another election and you will keep whining. Either way. I guess the new sheriff wont have to deal with lawsuits regarding peoples pit bulls being killed during the raids on their cockfighting establishments.

 

[VanceMack]

Supervisor Mary Rose won her lawsuit, $975,000, Supervisor Stapley won his case, $3.5 million, his assistant won $500,000,Supervisor Kunasek was paid $123,000, Judge Mundell got $500,000, Judge Fields got $100,000, Judge Baca won $100,000, Judge Donahue won $1.275 million, CIO Wetzel won $75,000. New Times owners won $3.75 million. Wolfswinkle settled for $1..4 million. And this whole Melendres federal findings has cost us over $14 million.

Oh, and those settlements don't cover the cost paid for legal expenses.

‘New Times’ journalists were arrested in dead of night

Litigious society...comes with the territory. The next guy will face lawsuits as well.
http://spreadsheets.latimes.com/lapd-settlements/

 

[beefheart]

Then its a win win Or he will win another election and you will keep whining. Either way. I guess the new sheriff wont have to deal with lawsuits regarding peoples pit bulls being killed during the raids on their cockfighting establishments.

No, I want his ass in jail.

No one is above the law. Norberg, Agster, Brailard,etc were not dogs, they were human beings, try to remember that.

 

[beefheart]

Litigious society...comes with the territory. The next guy will face lawsuits as well.
http://spreadsheets.latimes.com/lapd-settlements/

If it were just a case of people being litigious, then the cases would have been thrown out. They weren't and they all won, and the taxpayers lost.

All those millions would sure help my county out, but Arpaio just can't seem to realize that the rule of law applies to him as well.

 

[VanceMack]

No, I want his ass in jail.

No one is above the law. Norberg, Agster, Brailard,etc were not dogs, they were human beings, try to remember that.

Good luck with that.

Norberg...nice. I read that case. Typical of people like you. Dood wandering nthe streets high on meth, neghbors call the cops, he attacks the cops, they taze him, he continues to resist, he dies in a restraint chair....and you hate Joe Arpaio. No...let me restate that...you ****ing HATE Joe Arpaio. So thats ALL that matters. No wrong doing found. Family of the scumbag sues. The city settles and the insurance pays out...because thats what insurance does. And you funcking HATE Joe Arpaio. But you celebrate the scumbags he has to deal with.

 

[VanceMack]

If it were just a case of people being litigious, then the cases would have been thrown out. They weren't and they all won, and the taxpayers lost.

All those millions would sure help my county out, but Arpaio just can't seem to realize that the rule of law applies to him as well.

Most of those settlements are paid by insurance. Your county would benefit from having less criminal scumbags and less people invested in attacking law enforcement and more interested in targeting the criminal scumbags. But why buck liberal trends.

 

[ocean515]

But, he really isn't doing anything about illegals. What he does, as in the Uncle Sam restaurant case is, go in with the TV cameras and press, publically arrest the owner of the place for hiring illegals, and talk tough. But, months later, turns out that Joe was wrong, and they didn't have evidence, cause, and the restaurant owner is exonorated. And now, another lawsuit.

He breaks the law, do you want LEO's regularly breaking the law? He is a clown. He never cared a lick about illegal immigration until he found out it is a great dog whistle fundraising opportunity.

I'm all for striking fear into the business community and the illegals. Billions versus a few millions. Compare that to other cities.

Go Joe!

 

[beefheart]

I'm all for striking fear into the business community and the illegals. Billions versus a few millions. Compare that to other cities.

Go Joe!

OK, so you are for breaking the law when you agree with it. The rule of law means nothing to you.

I'll remember that next time you disagree with a law.

 

[beefheart]

Interesting Developments:

Arpaio Cops to Investigating Federal Judge, Judge's Wife, Confirming New Times Story | Phoenix New Times

Admissions by Arpaio that he had been using a confidential informant in Seattle, Dennis Montgomery, and paying him from RICO and confidential-informant funds to do an investigation of a vaguely defined conspiracy theory involving the U.S. Department of Justice and various judges, including Snow himself. Arpaio also copped to having his "counsel" investigate Judge Snow's wife, hiring a private detective to look into a statement that the judge's spouse allegedly made at a restaurant, to the effect that Judge Snow wanted to "make sure" Arpaio's not re-elected.

Though these were shocking revelations to many in the courtroom Thursday, they may sound familiar to you, if you're a regular reader.

The first article I wrote on the subject was in June of 2014, when I detailed the Dennis Montgomery investigation, on which Arpaio has spent at least $100,000, and probably much more, in public funds.

Arpaio confirmed that MCSO Sergeant Travis Anglin and Detective Brian Mackiewicz had, like Zullo, traveled to the Washington State area to assist with whatever Montgomery was doing for the MCSO.

The sheriff said it was "possible" that computers were purchased for Montgomery.

Arpaio seemed unclear as to the funding, stating, "I don't know if it was RICO funds or other funds."

He also had no idea of the total cost.

My information is that Montgomery was assigned Confidential Informant number 1437 by the MCSO and paid for by CI funds, which can be tracked only by that number within the agency, save for the few with access to the CI's identity.

Zullo had a vendor number with MCSO, P6980. In January 2014, both Chief Deputy Jerry Sheridan and former Deputy Chief Scott Freeman approved funding for Zullo's air travel to and from Seattle, and more than a month of traveling expenses, including a $71 per diem.

Someone sold Arpaio on the idea that Montgomery could gain access to e-mails related to the DOJ lawsuit against Arpaio, e-mails from those involved in the Melendres case, and perhaps from Judge Snow himself.

That was the pitch, allegedly. But sources tell me Detective Mackiewicz briefed Arpaio around three weeks ago, telling Arpaio that the outcome of the Montgomery investigation was "bull****."

 

[beefheart]

Good luck with that.

Norberg...nice. I read that case. Typical of people like you. Dood wandering nthe streets high on meth, neghbors call the cops, he attacks the cops, they taze him, he continues to resist, he dies in a restraint chair....and you hate Joe Arpaio. No...let me restate that...you ****ing HATE Joe Arpaio. So thats ALL that matters. No wrong doing found. Family of the scumbag sues. The city settles and the insurance pays out...because thats what insurance does. And you funcking HATE Joe Arpaio. But you celebrate the scumbags he has to deal with.

He never got to have a trial, he was killed by guards, is that the kind of justice you want. The family won the lawsuit....you don't win lawsuits on bogus claims.

I don't celebrate criminals, shame on you for saying that, there is no need for you to make a stupid personal attack.

What you don't know about Arpaio is vast, and you have proved it.

 

[ocean515]

OK, so you are for breaking the law when you agree with it. The rule of law means nothing to you.

I'll remember that next time you disagree with a law.

Deal! :thumbs:

 

[VanceMack]

He never got to have a trial, he was killed by guards, is that the kind of justice you want. The family won the lawsuit....you don't win lawsuits on bogus claims.

I don't celebrate criminals, shame on you for saying that, there is no need for you to make a stupid personal attack.

What you don't know about Arpaio is vast, and you have proved it.

Killed? How was he 'killed'? He was on meth and fought with cops and got tased.

You know...youze****inguize.... when a perp fights witha cop and they get shot you freak the **** out and cry that they should have used a taser. When a meth addict fights with a cop and gets tased and still dies, you freak the **** out. He didnt get beat, there is no evidence he was abused. He had a cardiac incident most likely related to the fact that oh yeah...he was a meth user.

Here...I'ma do you a favor. We in the military had to do the same thing with Clinton as Commander in Chief for 8 years. Once he was elected we accepted that we were stuck with a ****head with the morals and values of a sewer rat and at that point all that was left was to smile, salute smartly, and press on. You get a chance to try and unseat Sheriff Joe every...what...4 years? Good luck. In the meantime...get over yourself and you MAY want to consider who you are actually bleeding over.

 

[beefheart]

Killed? How was he 'killed'? He was on meth and fought with cops and got tased.

You know...youze****inguize.... when a perp fights witha cop and they get shot you freak the **** out and cry that they should have used a taser. When a meth addict fights with a cop and gets tased and still dies, you freak the **** out. He didnt get beat, there is no evidence he was abused. He had a cardiac incident most likely related to the fact that oh yeah...he was a meth user.

Here...I'ma do you a favor. We in the military had to do the same thing with Clinton as Commander in Chief for 8 years. Once he was elected we accepted that we were stuck with a ****head with the morals and values of a sewer rat and at that point all that was left was to smile, salute smartly, and press on. You get a chance to try and unseat Sheriff Joe every...what...4 years? Good luck. In the meantime...get over yourself and you MAY want to consider who you are actually bleeding over.

Based upon that incoherent rant, you obviously know very little about this subject. Too bad, if you started reading up on it, you would understand.