Around 350,000 Americans will die from COVID in 12 months. Is that winning?

[Luce]

It probably does. California and New York are the only states that have stressed their health care systems and have the most deaths and hospitalizations. Whereas Florida is far lower.

Your crooked ass governor stopped reporting cases. It doesn't mean they're not happening.

 

[Metric Mouse]

then why was it kept secret at that point?

It... wasn't... That's the point. It was only a secret to people who didn't look and thought that Covid 19 would go away like magic in the warm weather. Most people knew better.

 

[noonereal]

It... wasn't... That's the point. It was only a secret to people who didn't look and thought that Covid 19 would go away like magic in the warm weather. Most people knew better.

OK, God Bless you.

Enough with the nonsense.

 

[mrjurrs]

One percent or less of our population is NOT worth shutting down our economy and society over.

It's more than1% now. 3,922 yesterday, 387,000 since the start. Lot's of families grieving. #sad

 

[mrjurrs]

No they haven’t. Because as someone else linked, they determined only six percent of deaths are Covid deaths. And even using the inflated number it clearly shows the deadliest states were blue states that did hard lockdowns. If our idiot Governor wanted to save lives he would reopen bars and restaurants at full capacity like Florida.

Your gonna need a source for that fat one.

 

[Bodi]

It's more than1% now. 3,922 yesterday, 387,000 since the start. Lot's of families grieving. #sad

It still isn't worth shutting it all down...

 

[mrjurrs]

It still isn't worth shutting it all down...

It all hasn't been shut down, at any time.

 

[Bodi]

It all hasn't been shut down, at any time.

It has been shut down far too much already...

 

[EMNofSeattle]

Your crooked ass governor stopped reporting cases. It doesn't mean they're not happening.

Yes my Governor is in fact a crook. Democrats don’t even like him which is why he got less then 1% in his primary.

 

[EMNofSeattle]

It all hasn't been shut down, at any time.

So in fact those lives are not worth a shutdown so let’s just open everything.

lockdowns cause more spread of the virus. Go to Mexican neighborhoods, they’re all holding dancing parties in their houses instead of the bars. But I guess that magically stops coronavirus.

 

[Lursa]

No they haven’t. Because as someone else linked, they determined only six percent of deaths are Covid deaths. And even using the inflated number it clearly shows the deadliest states were blue states that did hard lockdowns. If our idiot Governor wanted to save lives he would reopen bars and restaurants at full capacity like Florida.

Let's see your source. What are you waiting for? Several have asked for it.

Either you made it up or you didnt understand what you read. Or it came from a far-right site which means the same thing.

 

[EMNofSeattle]

the source has already been posted here. You have enough info to google search.

 

[mrjurrs]

It has been shut down far too much already...

Oh and over 220,000 new cases yesterday is of no concern?

 

[Lursa]

the source has already been posted here. You have enough info to google search.

Thank you. Please provide the post number.

And my google searches all prove you wrong, LMAO, so it's not too smart to suggest that. You'll need to show YOUR work.

 

[mrjurrs]

So in fact those lives are not worth a shutdown so let’s just open everything.

lockdowns cause more spread of the virus. Go to Mexican neighborhoods, they’re all holding dancing parties in their houses instead of the bars. But I guess that magically stops coronavirus.

Do me a favor, hold your opinions with me, I see no worth. Bring some facts and I'm glad to argue

 

[Bodi]

Oh and over 220,000 new cases yesterday is of no concern?

I didn't say it is of no concern... please assume less and stick to what a person actually says.

 

[mrjurrs]

I didn't say it is of no concern... please assume less and stick to what a person actually says.

You said of that number and shutdowns..." It has been shut down far too much already... "

How should that statement be interpreted?

 

[Bodi]

You said of that number and shutdowns..." It has been shut down far too much already... "

How should that statement be interpreted?

That too much has been shutdown to too many people. Too much of the shut down is stupid, has contradictory rules, is ignored by the politicians making the rules, etc. Can't have indoor dining but outdoor dining is OK even if it is enclosed in a tent like structure. The damage to society, the economy, etc is far worse and will last far longer than if, regrettably, more people die... and most that die are already old or have pre-existing conditions. Go ahead and do your best to rip this post up.

 

[AJG]

Thank you, you just proved what I said. The CDC has stated that only 6% of Covid fatalities are actually due to Covid. Someone who was on deaths door anyway and is pushed over by a cold, did not die of a cold.

Here are the 3 scenarios for covid related deaths:

1. covid is the only cause listed on the death certificate (covid => death)
2. person gets covid, which leads to other complications that cause death which are listed on the death certificate (covid => other life threatening complications => death)
3. person had pre-existing conditions, gets covid and dies. The pre-existing conditions and covid are listed on the death certificate (pre-existing conditions + covid => death)

You're basically saying deaths door + covid => death = deaths door => death because they would have died regardless if they got covid or not.

The only scenario your statement applies to is the 3rd one, so already the 6% figure is wrong. But the 3rd scenario says pre-existing conditions + covid => death, which is not the same as deaths door + covid => death. You're equating pre-existing conditions and deaths door, which is wrong because not everyone with preexisting conditions are on deaths door. Someone with diabetes or asthma for example, can live a very long life. Here's a list of pre-existing conditions that puts people at risk:

People with Certain Medical Conditions

What you can do if you are at higher risk of severe illness from COVID-19.

www.cdc.gov

 

[EMNofSeattle]

Here are the 3 scenarios for covid related deaths:

1. covid is the only cause listed on the death certificate (covid => death)
2. person gets covid, which leads to other complications that cause death which are listed on the death certificate (covid => other life threatening complications => death)
3. person had pre-existing conditions, gets covid and dies. The pre-existing conditions and covid are listed on the death certificate (pre-existing conditions + covid => death)

You're basically saying deaths door + covid => death = deaths door => death because they would have died regardless if they got covid or not.

The only scenario your statement applies to is the 3rd one, so already the 6% figure is wrong. But the 3rd scenario says pre-existing conditions + covid => death, which is not the same as deaths door + covid => death. You're equating pre-existing conditions and deaths door, which is wrong because not everyone with preexisting conditions are on deaths door. Someone with diabetes or asthma for example, can live a very long life. Here's a list of pre-existing conditions that puts people at risk:

People with Certain Medical Conditions

What you can do if you are at higher risk of severe illness from COVID-19.

www.cdc.gov

If you were close enough to deaths door that a cold put you over then you were on death’s door. The death is kind of the proof.

most health people are entirely asymptomatic.

even most advanced elderly people with no chronic conditions aren’t dying.

someone who is elderly with a chronic condition can live for years or die tommorow. That’s not a valid reason to shut down society on their behalf especially when the elderly themselves aren’t even asking for that. My elderly great uncle says he’d rather risk Covid and have younger people live their lives.

may great grandfather got mesothelioma from working in a shipyard, he lived until 90, and like over a year after his diagnosis. People without meso often die younger then that.

 

[AJG]

If you were close enough to deaths door that a cold put you over then you were on death’s door. The death is kind of the proof.

You're saying covid is as dangerous as a cold. What is your basis for that?

most health people are entirely asymptomatic.

even most advanced elderly people with no chronic conditions aren’t dying.

someone who is elderly with a chronic condition can live for years or die tommorow. That’s not a valid reason to shut down society on their behalf especially when the elderly themselves aren’t even asking for that. My elderly great uncle says he’d rather risk Covid and have younger people live their lives.

may great grandfather got mesothelioma from working in a shipyard, he lived until 90, and like over a year after his diagnosis. People without meso often die younger then that.

We already know most people survive covid. That's still true even with ~400,000 having died so far in the US.

 

[screenwriter]

Your gonna need a source for that fat one.

This is where the 6% figure comes in. Only 6% of people who died from Covid - only had Covid. We've known we are a nation of precarious health to begin with. Medical Technology in America is keeping people, who would otherwise already be dead already, alive for longer but those people are still sick. Add to that people who should be otherwise healthy but are obese instead. A perfect storm.

CDC report found 94% of COVID-19 deaths included comorbid factors. Here’s what that means

What do the CDC figures actually tell us about COVID-19 deaths?

www.ksl.com

 

[mrjurrs]

That too much has been shutdown to too many people. Too much of the shut down is stupid, has contradictory rules, is ignored by the politicians making the rules, etc. Can't have indoor dining but outdoor dining is OK even if it is enclosed in a tent like structure. The damage to society, the economy, etc is far worse and will last far longer than if, regrettably, more people die... and most that die are already old or have pre-existing conditions. Go ahead and do your best to rip this post up.

Don't have to rip it. None of it mitigates the need to control the pandemic.

 

[mrjurrs]

This is where the 6% figure comes in. Only 6% of people who died from Covid - only had Covid. We've known we are a nation of precarious health to begin with. Medical Technology in America is keeping people, who would otherwise already be dead already, alive for longer but those people are still sick. Add to that people who should be otherwise healthy but are obese instead. A perfect storm.

CDC report found 94% of COVID-19 deaths included comorbid factors. Here’s what that means

What do the CDC figures actually tell us about COVID-19 deaths?

www.ksl.com

Here's a quote from the second paragraph from your source...

" As evidenced by an array of online articles and social media posts, people interpreted this data in different ways. It included those who viewed it as COVID-19 deaths were vastly overinflated because someone who died of COVID-19 may have died because of a pre-existing condition instead."

Your thoughts?

 

[Bodi]

Don't have to rip it. None of it mitigates the need to control the pandemic.

They aren't controlling the pandemic...