Around 350,000 Americans will die from COVID in 12 months. Is that winning?

[Rawley]

Other than that isn't what I was saying at all, "Nice try.".

I think that the level of leadership that let the country's leaders implement the measures necessary in New Zealand vastly exceeded the level of leadership in the US.

THird time. It's a ****ing island. It took them 20 minutes to shut down 100% of travel to the island. How much "leadership" does that take?

I think that the level of civic consciousness that let the country's people cooperate with the common sense measures that tended to reduce the severity of the effects of COVID-19 on New Zealand vastly exceeded the level of civic consciousness in the US.

They have a single government. Jacinda could order everyone to wear their underwear on their head and they would have to obey. It's a bit easier to encourage "civic consciousness" when the people have given virtually all of their rights to a single government.

 

[Rawley]

Obviously you didn't actually read what I wrote.

PS - I admit that my education in the English language and its grammatical rules DID include the correct use of what are known as "stops".

I read it, and you didn't quote my words. You are posting on an American cite, so you should conform to our conventions for he use of quotation marks.

 

[pamak]

I'm not surprised you wouldn't understand the attitude reason.

You do not make an argument. You just claim that you know better the US attitude, and you imply that "red Americans" are more likely to love freedom compared to "blue Americans" who are more likely to wear masks.

 

[TU Curmudgeon]

Yeah, so what? There could be a steady increase in the number of deaths per day but it's going to take a few more days to see if the trend up holds. As I said yesterday, I think it will. Not only climb to a thousand per day but more like 2000.
Your prediction?
I'm suggesting 350,000 by year end will be pretty close.

I don't make "predictions".

I record what the data is and let the current data say what the current data will say. That involves NOT making any assumptions other than "If the current trends remain unchanged".

If the current trends remain unchanged then the data TO DATE indicates that

​

the total number of US deaths due to COVID-19 on the anniversary of the first US death from COVID-19 will likely be between 321,430 and 355,265 (meaning that it will be around 338,348).

On the same assumption, the US isn't likely to have had 350,000 deaths from COVID-19 until around 21 MAR 21 and the number of deaths as of 31 DEC 20 is likely to be between 275,000 and 300,000. (However, if someone has a pool with "285,000 ± 10%" still available, take it.)

​

 

[TU Curmudgeon]

Yeah true, but can you offer an explanation on the reason or reasons the US failed so badly. I would give Trump about 50% of the blame and American attitudes a good 30% of it too.
The attitude problem being that Americans would consider something like wearing a mask an attack on their freedom.

I'd tend to increase both of those numbers by about 5% (or even allow for an aggregate increase of 10%) and then I think that that likely explains why the US is punching so far under its weight in the battle against COVID-19.

That leaves around 10% to "pure, dumb, bad luck" (sometimes known as "The Finegal Factor").

 

[TU Curmudgeon]

I read it, and you didn't quote my words.

I never said that I did. What I said was that using your "rule" that as long as the actual words were included in the actual statement then it didn't matter if you left out one or two when you did a "C&P" and that that statement with the words left out would STILL be an accurate quote.

Your original statement was

" I didn't excise shit, I cut and pasted directly from their story. Which explicitly referenced the scientists You got a bitch in your whiny defense of Biden, bring it up with the AP."​

If we leave out one or two non-essential words, we get

" I didn't excise shit, I cut and pasted directly from their story. Which explicitly referenced the scientists You got a bitch in your whiny defense of Biden, bring it up with the AP."​

When you close up the gaps what you get is

" I bitch in whiny defense of Biden."​

Therefore, using YOUR "rule"

" I bitch in whiny defense of Biden."​

IS an "accurate quote" of what you actually said.

You are posting on an American cite, so you should conform to our conventions for he use of quotation marks.

When I am dealing with people who are barely literate then I should also be barely literate?

Please let me know what the "American" rules are for the use of "stops" (of which the "quotation mark" is one). A reference to some authorative text such as "Fowler's English Grammar" would also be a good idea.

 

[CaughtInThe]

 

[Rawley]

I never said that I did. What I said was that using your "rule" that as long as the actual words were included in the actual statement then it didn't matter if you left out one or two when you did a "C&P" and that that statement with the words left out would STILL be an accurate quote.

Your original statement was

​

" I didn't excise shit, I cut and pasted directly from their story. Which explicitly referenced the scientists You got a bitch in your whiny defense of Biden, bring it up with the AP."​

If we leave out one or two non-essential words, we get

​

" I didn't excise shit, I cut and pasted directly from their story. Which explicitly referenced the scientists You got a bitch in your whiny defense of Biden, bring it up with the AP."​

When you close up the gaps what you get is

​

" I bitch in whiny defense of Biden."​

Therefore, using YOUR "rule"

​

" I bitch in whiny defense of Biden."​

IS an "accurate quote" of what you actually said.



When I am dealing with people who are barely literate then I should also be barely literate?

Please let me know what the "American" rules are for the use of "stops" (of which the "quotation mark" is one). A reference to some authorative text such as "Fowler's English Grammar" would also be a good idea.

Got it. So according your rule for quotes, you claimed of yourself "I am shit" Interesting rules you have in Canada.

 

[PoS]

How could I or anyone possibly know that? What a ridiculous request. We needed someone to lead with a cohesive national plan. Not "liberate xxx" in tweets.

Ah so your belief that Hillary would have saved so many lives isnt grounded in fact then, just hatred for Trump. OK.

 

[snakestretcher]

Lets see....masks compulsory in the UK.....18,000 new cases every day and YOUR math = masks work?

No, masks are NOT compulsory in the UK except in the following places-you will note that the majority are where people gather in numbers.

[Withdrawn] [Withdrawn] Face coverings: when to wear one, exemptions and what makes a good one

www.gov.uk

 

[snakestretcher]

We would have more deaths but reached immunity like Sweden

Then you'll have to explain why cases in Sweden are on the rise. Sweden is emphatically NOT "immune", and lockdowns are back. What a dumb suggestion.

Reuters | Breaking International News & Views

Find latest news from every corner of the globe at Reuters.com, your online source for breaking international news coverage.

uk.reuters.com

Swedish to bring in local lockdowns as coronavirus cases rise

The move marks a new approach in Sweden's handling of the virus - after the country kept bars and restaurants open while the rest of the world shut down in March.

www.dailymail.co.uk

Now tell us all about Sweden's "immunity", and how well the Swedes are doing.

 

[Paradoxical]

No, masks are NOT compulsory in the UK except in the following places-you will note that the majority are where people gather in numbers.

[Withdrawn] [Withdrawn] Face coverings: when to wear one, exemptions and what makes a good one

www.gov.uk

I had a little time this AM, so I did your work for you


In England, you must wear a face covering in the following indoor settings (a list of examples for each is included in the brackets):

• public transport (aeroplanes, trains, trams and buses)
• taxis and private hire vehicles (PHVs)
• transport hubs (airports, rail and tram stations and terminals, maritime ports and terminals, bus and coach stations and terminals)
• shops and supermarkets (places which offer goods or services for retail sale or hire)
• shopping centres (malls and indoor markets)
• auction houses
• premises providing hospitality (bars, pubs, restaurants, cafes), except when seated at a table to eat or drink (see exemptions)
• post offices, banks, building societies, high-street solicitors and accountants, credit unions, short-term loan providers, savings clubs and money service businesses
• estate and lettings agents
• theatres
• premises providing personal care and beauty treatments (hair salons, barbers, nail salons, massage centres, tattoo and piercing parlours)
• premises providing veterinary services
• visitor attractions and entertainment venues (museums, galleries, cinemas, theatres, concert halls, cultural and heritage sites, aquariums, indoor zoos and visitor farms, bingo halls, amusement arcades, adventure activity centres, indoor sports stadiums, funfairs, theme parks, casinos, skating rinks, bowling alleys, indoor play areas including soft-play areas)
• libraries and public reading rooms
• places of worship
• funeral service providers (funeral homes, crematoria and burial ground chapels)
• community centres, youth centres and social clubs
• exhibition halls and conference centres
• public areas in hotels and hostels
• storage and distribution facilities

You are expected to wear a face covering before entering any of these settings and must keep it on until you leave unless there is a reasonable excuse for removing it.


Thank you, once again, for proving me right

 

[Paradoxical]

Then you'll have to explain why cases in Sweden are on the rise. Sweden is emphatically NOT "immune", and lockdowns are back. What a dumb suggestion.

https://uk.reuters.com/article/heal...ays-it-is-not-a-second-wave[/B]-idUSL8N2H65C8

Swedish to bring in local lockdowns as coronavirus cases rise

The move marks a new approach in Sweden's handling of the virus - after the country kept bars and restaurants open while the rest of the world shut down in March.

www.dailymail.co.uk

Now tell us all about Sweden's "immunity", and how well the Swedes are doing.

See the bolded below

official-says-it-is-not-a-second-wave

 

[snakestretcher]

I had a little time this AM, so I did your work for you


In England, you must wear a face covering in the following indoor settings (a list of examples for each is included in the brackets):

• public transport (aeroplanes, trains, trams and buses)
• taxis and private hire vehicles (PHVs)
• transport hubs (airports, rail and tram stations and terminals, maritime ports and terminals, bus and coach stations and terminals)
• shops and supermarkets (places which offer goods or services for retail sale or hire)
• shopping centres (malls and indoor markets)
• auction houses
• premises providing hospitality (bars, pubs, restaurants, cafes), except when seated at a table to eat or drink (see exemptions)
• post offices, banks, building societies, high-street solicitors and accountants, credit unions, short-term loan providers, savings clubs and money service businesses
• estate and lettings agents
• theatres
• premises providing personal care and beauty treatments (hair salons, barbers, nail salons, massage centres, tattoo and piercing parlours)
• premises providing veterinary services
• visitor attractions and entertainment venues (museums, galleries, cinemas, theatres, concert halls, cultural and heritage sites, aquariums, indoor zoos and visitor farms, bingo halls, amusement arcades, adventure activity centres, indoor sports stadiums, funfairs, theme parks, casinos, skating rinks, bowling alleys, indoor play areas including soft-play areas)
• libraries and public reading rooms
• places of worship
• funeral service providers (funeral homes, crematoria and burial ground chapels)
• community centres, youth centres and social clubs
• exhibition halls and conference centres
• public areas in hotels and hostels
• storage and distribution facilities

You are expected to wear a face covering before entering any of these settings and must keep it on until you leave unless there is a reasonable excuse for removing it.


Thank you, once again, for proving me right

Did I say anything different? No, I did not. So what exactly is the point you're trying to make? Do you even know?

 

[snakestretcher]

See the bolded below

official-says-it-is-not-a-second-wave

So is Sweden "immune" as you claim, or not? That was the question; nothing about second waves. Sorry pal, I'm not letting you squirm out of this.

 

[Paradoxical]

Did I say anything different? No, I did not. So what exactly is the point you're trying to make? Do you even know?

Your country wears more masks than kids at Halloween.

 

[Paradoxical]

So is Sweden "immune" as you claim, or not? That was the question; nothing about second waves. Sorry pal, I'm not letting you squirm out of this.

Ummm, immunity does not equal zero. It means that the virus is substantially spent in that particular area.

official-says-it-is-not-a-second-wave

 

[snakestretcher]

Your country wears more masks than kids at Halloween.

Is Sweden immune, as you claim, or are cases on the rise with lockdowns in place?

 

[snakestretcher]

Ummm, immunity does not equal zero. It means that the virus is substantially spent in that particular area.

official-says-it-is-not-a-second-wave

If it's "spent", why are cases on the rise again? Come on genius, let's have your expert opinion. I believe you also claimed New York had achieved herd immunity. I swear, trying to get sense into you is as pointless as explaining Pythagoras' theorem to my cat.

Reuters | Breaking International News & Views

Find latest news from every corner of the globe at Reuters.com, your online source for breaking international news coverage.

uk.reuters.com

 

[Paradoxical]

If it's "spent", why are cases on the rise again? Come on genius, let's have your expert opinion. I believe you also claimed New York had achieved herd immunity. I swear, trying to get sense into you is as pointless as explaining Pythagoras' theorem to my cat.

Reuters | Breaking International News & Views

Find latest news from every corner of the globe at Reuters.com, your online source for breaking international news coverage.

uk.reuters.com

Did you see what the officials said in your own link?

 

[snakestretcher]

Did you see what the officials said in your own link?

Yes, and...? Is Sweden immune or not? I note you are very obviously refusing to answer my question. So, instead of pointless attempts at diversion, how about some honesty. It would make a refreshing change for you.

 

[Paradoxical]

Yes, and...? Is Sweden immune or not? I note you are very obviously refusing to answer my question. So, instead of pointless attempts at diversion, how about some honesty. It would make a refreshing change for you.

<yawn> Straggler people who test positive for Covid because of increased testing. Wake me when you have something.

Here's s good video for you to learn from, if you dare.

 

[snakestretcher]

<yawn> Straggler people who test positive for Covid because of increased testing. Wake me when you have something.

Here's s good video for you to learn from, if you dare.

Yes, a predictable diversion. You have nothing, as usual; but Sweden is immune! Hilarious.

 

[Paradoxical]

Yes, a predictable diversion. You have nothing, as usual; but Sweden is immune! Hilarious.

blah, blah, blah.

BTW, when will it be gone in your country? When Boris is gone?

How are the masked bandits in Europe doing?

Oh Wait!! Not so well.....BUT, masks "help".

 

[snakestretcher]

blah, blah, blah.

BTW, when will it be gone in your country? When Boris is gone?

How are the masked bandits in Europe doing?

Oh Wait!! Not so well.....BUT, masks "help".

Clueless. Go away; mow your lawn or something.