• This is a political forum that is non-biased/non-partisan and treats every person's position on topics equally. This debate forum is not aligned to any political party. In today's politics, many ideas are split between and even within all the political parties. Often we find ourselves agreeing on one platform but some topics break our mold. We are here to discuss them in a civil political debate. If this is your first visit to our political forums, be sure to check out the RULES. Registering for debate politics is necessary before posting. Register today to participate - it's free!

Army to Begin Forcing Out Soldiers Who Refuse COVID Vaccine, Including Guardsmen

Rogue Valley

Lead or get out of the way
DP Veteran
Joined
Apr 18, 2013
Messages
94,109
Reaction score
82,391
Location
Barsoom
Gender
Male
Political Leaning
Independent

New policy bars unvaccinated soldiers from re-enlistment, promotions as Oklahoma governor says National Guard need not obey Biden's vax mandate.

11/18/21
Soldiers who refuse to get the COVID-19 vaccine and have not requested an exemption will no longer be allowed to re-enlist or be promoted, effectively ending their military careers. The new directive applies to active-duty troops as well as reservists and National Guardsmen, including those serving in states whose governors do not require the vaccine. The Nov. 16 memo, signed by Army Secretary Christine Wormuth, says troops’ service records will be flagged the day they make their final vaccine refusal, which follows a meeting with a medical professional and a secord order to get vaccinated. This flag will bar them from being promoted, reenlisting, continuing to receive enlistment bonuses, attending service-related schools, or receiving tuition assistance. “I authorize commanders to impose bars to continued service…for all soldiers who refuse the mandatory vaccine order without an approved exemption or pending exemption request,” Wormuth wrote in the memo. “The Soldier will remain flagged until they are fully vaccinated, receive an approved medical or administrative exemption, or are separated from the Army.”

About 77 percent of the total Army—active duty, Reserve, and Guard—has received at least one shot, and 72 percent are completely vaccinated, according to the latest data provided by Army spokesman Lt. Col. Terence Kelley. Many of the unvaccinated soldiers are in the National Guard or reserves. Only 51.84 percent of the Army National Guard is fully vaccinated; 60.72 percent have received at least one dose of the vaccine, according to data provided to Defense One by the National Guard. There are 329,709 Army National Guardsmen serving in all 50 states, the District of Columbia, and U.S. territories. The new Army guidance asserts that no service member who refuses to get vaccinated or to procure an official exemption may continue to serve without limits in the Army, and thus in the National Guard. Soldiers flagged for refusing the vaccine will be allowed to pursue separation from the military through disability evaluation, retirement, resignation, or separation after completion of service, the Army said.

Little if any wiggle room there. Get yourself vaccinated or hit the door.
 

New policy bars unvaccinated soldiers from re-enlistment, promotions as Oklahoma governor says National Guard need not obey Biden's vax mandate.



Little if any wiggle room there. Get yourself vaccinated or hit the door.
Any idea of what the stats are?

vaxxed/unvaxxed?
 
Little if any wiggle room there. Get yourself vaccinated or hit the door.
Bold of you to assume that hitting the door isn't the plan.

Wouldn't be surprised if people are using this as a way to separate themselves from the Army.
 

New policy bars unvaccinated soldiers from re-enlistment, promotions as Oklahoma governor says National Guard need not obey Biden's vax mandate.



Little if any wiggle room there. Get yourself vaccinated or hit the door.
Yep. **** the ant-vax assholes.
 

New policy bars unvaccinated soldiers from re-enlistment, promotions as Oklahoma governor says National Guard need not obey Biden's vax mandate.



Little if any wiggle room there. Get yourself vaccinated or hit the door.
One way to look at this is that under this new policy, I'd say many (not all) who depart the service would be the ones that would be a huge problem within the ranks if our military were to be called to prevent a coup on our nation's Capitol and White House. imo
 
One way to look at this is that under this new policy, I'd say many (not all) who depart the service would be the ones that would be a huge problem within the ranks if our military were to be called to prevent a coup on our nation's Capitol and White House. imo
The long standing military practice if not doctrine globally in this respect is to utilize only demonstrably loyal elite units of same to execute or to counter a coup.

This can be seen as a major policy articulation in that direction. It no doubt is the product of both military commanders in the USA and theater commanders abroad and civilian leaders of the armed forces departments and branches.

For the USA armed forces that are deployed globally only domestically based elite forces would be committed and only certain sub units of certain elite forces would be deployed for or against a coup. For certain, such elite domestically stationed forces include the 82nd Airborne Division at Ft. Bragg NC given its elite status and proximity to the Nation's capital, or sub units of it, such as a particular brigade or regiment or battalion. The 101st AD, at Ft. Campbell KY for the same reasons; the 10th Mountain Division or sub units at Ft. Drum in upstate NY that is a stone's throw from the Nation's financial center or sub units of it; 2nd Infantry Division at Ft. Lewis in Washington state given LA and SFO plus Alaska.

The key command is U.S. Northern Command at Peterson AFB in Colorado that has the primary mission to defend the homeland (to include Canada & Mexico) against an armed enemy attack/invasion. Northern Command or USNORCOM consists of the 5th Army and the 1st Air Force stationed throughout the USA to include all ceremonial yet regular force units across the armed forces in the Washington DC Joint Force National Capital Region.

Current CG USNORCOM is AF Gen. Glen D. VanHerck who as a four-star is also commander of NORAD and is recommended to the CinC and Congress by the SecDef himself. Gen. VanHerck became CG of NORCOM and NORAD after having been director of the joint staff of the Joint Chiefs while executive officer to the chairman JCS Gen. Milley. VanHeck was commissioned via ROTC at U of MO in 1987.

CG Joint Force HQ National Capital Region at Ft. Leslie J. McNair in Washington DC is the Army Maj.Gen. Allan M. Pepin whose previous assignment was deputy CG Army SpOps Command -- Pepin is a national distinguished grad of the ROTC program at Wentworth Institute of Technology in Boston MA. So let's see how Rittenhouse et al do against all of these guys and gals.
 

New policy bars unvaccinated soldiers from re-enlistment, promotions as Oklahoma governor says National Guard need not obey Biden's vax mandate.



Little if any wiggle room there. Get yourself vaccinated or hit the door.
I wonder how loud Xi Jinping is laughing.
 
Because we have dissidents in the ranks of our military and are weeding them out? If their army personnel tried such behavior they would be executed.
Not the point. Reducing manpower weakens our capabilities and abilities to sustain action.
 
Good thing we have plenty of soldiers who can actually follow orders to fill those gaps.
Do we? Who's gonna fill their billet when they get pulled to fill the non-vaxxer's position?
 

New policy bars unvaccinated soldiers from re-enlistment, promotions as Oklahoma governor says National Guard need not obey Biden's vax mandate.



Little if any wiggle room there. Get yourself vaccinated or hit the door.

Policy is perfectly in line with every other health mandate that the military has.
My Navy wife says the same thing, line up, roll up and shut up, and get your shots.
This one's no different than the other shots, other than it being for a new disease.
But the Army runs across disease all the time, all over the world.

Uncle Sam invests quite a bit of money training and conditioning their U.S. Government Issue fighting men (and women) and they're not about
to watch it get wasted because a few pantywaists want to pull a stress card over getting a goddamned shot.
That's how "Admiral" Karen sees it. :)

Karen helmet2.jpg
 
Under Gen. George Washington smallpox vaccine was mandated in 1777 for 3/4 of the Continental Army who had not previously been infected and was most probably a reason we were able to defeat the British when smallpox was raging through the new country among citizens, Native Indians and slaves fighting for the British and not one regiment was incapacitated.
 
I am all for the army sending the woke into combat.
 
Some employers don't want outbreaks caused by anti-vax fools.
 
Back
Top Bottom