Army Officer Who Heard Trump’s Ukraine Call Reported Concerns

HumblePi · Oct 28, 2019

[h=1]Army Officer Who Heard Trump’s Ukraine Call Reported Concerns[/h]The top Ukraine expert at the White House will tell impeachment investigators he twice reported concerns about President Trump’s pressure tactics on Ukraine, acting out of a “sense of duty.”

WASHINGTON — A White House national security official who is a decorated Iraq war veteran plans to tell House impeachment investigators on Tuesday that he heard President Trump appeal to Ukraine’s president to investigate one of his leading political rivals, a request the aide considered so damaging to American interests that he reported it to a superior.

Lt. Col. Alexander S. Vindman of the Army, the top Ukraine expert on the National Security Council, twice registered internal objections about how Mr. Trump and his inner circle were treating Ukraine, out of what he called a “sense of duty,” he plans to tell the inquiry, according to a draft of his opening statement obtained by The New York Times.

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Well, well..... a man who has first hand knowledge of this scandal. What will Trump and his subordinates come up with to counteract his damaging testimony?

Taylor · Oct 28, 2019

Doesn't sound like there's anything new here. Trump already released the phone transcript.

HumblePi · Oct 28, 2019

Taylor said:
Doesn't sound like there's anything new here. Trump already released the phone transcript.

No, he released an abbreviated version of the 30 minute phone call, the rest of the call transcript is in the secure server.

Colonel Vindman is an active duty military officer. He also has an identical twin brother, Yevgeny, who is a lawyer on the National Security Council. This man's testimony is going to put the final nail in Trump's impeachment coffin.

PoliSciXtina · Oct 28, 2019

Taylor said:
Doesn't sound like there's anything new here. Trump already released the phone transcript.

I wish people would stop floating this lie. We got a memo to the call... the entire transcript is still yet to be seen. And each new witness and testimony is more damning than the last, I have no idea how you could possibly claim there’s nothing new here. I think that’s wishful thinking on your part.

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PoliSciXtina · Oct 28, 2019

HumblePi said:
[h=1]Army Officer Who Heard Trump’s Ukraine Call Reported Concerns[/h]The top Ukraine expert at the White House will tell impeachment investigators he twice reported concerns about President Trump’s pressure tactics on Ukraine, acting out of a “sense of duty.”

WASHINGTON — A White House national security official who is a decorated Iraq war veteran plans to tell House impeachment investigators on Tuesday that he heard President Trump appeal to Ukraine’s president to investigate one of his leading political rivals, a request the aide considered so damaging to American interests that he reported it to a superior.

Lt. Col. Alexander S. Vindman of the Army, the top Ukraine expert on the National Security Council, twice registered internal objections about how Mr. Trump and his inner circle were treating Ukraine, out of what he called a “sense of duty,” he plans to tell the inquiry, according to a draft of his opening statement obtained by The New York Times.

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Well, well..... a man who has first hand knowledge of this scandal. What will Trump and his subordinates come up with to counteract his damaging testimony?

This is getting good!!!

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MTAtech · Oct 28, 2019

Taylor said:
Doesn't sound like there's anything new here. Trump already released the phone transcript.

It's further confirmation that Trump committed impeachable offenses, notably abuse of power, in front of witnesses and admitted to it. He did this not just with the Ukraine but also China.

The only question is how can Republican Senators defend this open and shut case of impeachable offenses.

Allan · Oct 28, 2019

HumblePi said:
What will Trump and his subordinates come up with to counteract his damaging testimony?

Lt. Col. Alexander S. Vindman is a never Trumper?

Allan · Oct 28, 2019

PoliSciXtina said:
This is getting good!!!

To paraphrase George Conway it's like watching a dumpster fire drive off a cliff in slow motion.

Allan · Oct 28, 2019

Taylor said:
Doesn't sound like there's anything new here. Trump already released the phone transcript.

Maybe there is more than one call.

joko104 · Oct 28, 2019

What he said has no value as evidence whatsoever. It's just another person with an opinion. The only knowledge he has is his opinion. Opinion is not evidence.

Parrish · Oct 28, 2019

Here's the link.

Army Officer on White House Staff Reported Concerns on Trump’s Ukraine Dealings

SLC · Oct 28, 2019

HumblePi said:
No, he released an abbreviated version of the 30 minute phone call, the rest of the call transcript is in the secure server.

Colonel Vindman is an active duty military officer. He also has an identical twin brother, Yevgeny, who is a lawyer on the National Security Council. This man's testimony is going to put the final nail in Trump's impeachment coffin.

Proof link????/

MTAtech · Oct 28, 2019

joko104 said:
What he said has no value as evidence whatsoever. It's just another person with an opinion. The only knowledge he has is his opinion. Opinion is not evidence.

Since he was on the call, he can literally tell what he heard and everyone can make up their decision on whether Trump's action was improper.

JustHanging · Oct 28, 2019

Taylor said:
Doesn't sound like there's anything new here. Trump already released the phone transcript.

No, Trump was just preying on the gullible there. You have no idea what he released. He was likely lying to you as that is his modus operandi, and you got suckered into believing it.

So did joko104 and SLC as well judging by the "Likes".

Parrish · Oct 28, 2019

See post #11, SLC

PoliSciXtina · Oct 28, 2019

joko104 said:
What he said has no value as evidence whatsoever. It's just another person with an opinion. The only knowledge he has is his opinion. Opinion is not evidence.

Lmao. I don’t even know what to say.

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SLC · Oct 28, 2019

Allan said:
Maybe there is more than one call.

Any evidence???? Link???

JustHanging · Oct 28, 2019

HumblePi said:
[h=1]Army Officer Who Heard Trump’s Ukraine Call Reported Concerns[/h]The top Ukraine expert at the White House will tell impeachment investigators he twice reported concerns about President Trump’s pressure tactics on Ukraine, acting out of a “sense of duty.”

WASHINGTON — A White House national security official who is a decorated Iraq war veteran plans to tell House impeachment investigators on Tuesday that he heard President Trump appeal to Ukraine’s president to investigate one of his leading political rivals, a request the aide considered so damaging to American interests that he reported it to a superior.

Lt. Col. Alexander S. Vindman of the Army, the top Ukraine expert on the National Security Council, twice registered internal objections about how Mr. Trump and his inner circle were treating Ukraine, out of what he called a “sense of duty,” he plans to tell the inquiry, according to a draft of his opening statement obtained by The New York Times.

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Well, well..... a man who has first hand knowledge of this scandal. What will Trump and his subordinates come up with to counteract his damaging testimony?

From the link:

“I am a patriot,” Colonel Vindman plans to tell the investigators, “and it is my sacred duty and honor to advance and defend our country irrespective of party or politics.”

That is not going to sit well with Trump or a lot of his supporters.

Bodecea · Oct 28, 2019

HumblePi said:
[h=1]Army Officer Who Heard Trump’s Ukraine Call Reported Concerns[/h]The top Ukraine expert at the White House will tell impeachment investigators he twice reported concerns about President Trump’s pressure tactics on Ukraine, acting out of a “sense of duty.”

WASHINGTON — A White House national security official who is a decorated Iraq war veteran plans to tell House impeachment investigators on Tuesday that he heard President Trump appeal to Ukraine’s president to investigate one of his leading political rivals, a request the aide considered so damaging to American interests that he reported it to a superior.

Lt. Col. Alexander S. Vindman of the Army, the top Ukraine expert on the National Security Council, twice registered internal objections about how Mr. Trump and his inner circle were treating Ukraine, out of what he called a “sense of duty,” he plans to tell the inquiry, according to a draft of his opening statement obtained by The New York Times.

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Well, well..... a man who has first hand knowledge of this scandal. What will Trump and his subordinates come up with to counteract his damaging testimony?

Well, time for the trump WH to bash our military members again.

Parrish · Oct 28, 2019

SLC said:
Any evidence???? Link???

see post #11

Chomsky · Oct 28, 2019

HumblePi said:
[h=1]Army Officer Who Heard Trump’s Ukraine Call Reported Concerns[/h]The top Ukraine expert at the White House will tell impeachment investigators he twice reported concerns about President Trump’s pressure tactics on Ukraine, acting out of a “sense of duty.”

WASHINGTON — A White House national security official who is a decorated Iraq war veteran plans to tell House impeachment investigators on Tuesday that he heard President Trump appeal to Ukraine’s president to investigate one of his leading political rivals, a request the aide considered so damaging to American interests that he reported it to a superior.

Lt. Col. Alexander S. Vindman of the Army, the top Ukraine expert on the National Security Council, twice registered internal objections about how Mr. Trump and his inner circle were treating Ukraine, out of what he called a “sense of duty,” he plans to tell the inquiry, according to a draft of his opening statement obtained by The New York Times.

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Well, well..... a man who has first hand knowledge of this scandal. What will Trump and his subordinates come up with to counteract his damaging testimony?

The witness is claiming two calls were made by Trump, and he listened to the conversation in real-time. In other words, he was in on the call. I do not know if he was in on one call, or two. He immediately made written complaints to his superiors, and even contacted the legal department in an effort to escalate his complaints. He has written documentation attesting to all.

(the above from Cuomo on CNN)

This witness would seem to kill the GOP "2nd hand" claims.

SLC · Oct 28, 2019

JustHanging said:
No, Trump was just preying on the gullible there. You have no idea what he released. He was likely lying to you as that is his modus operandi, and you got suckered into believing it.

So did joko104 and SLC as well judging by the "Likes".

Any proof that the transcript was not accurate???? Of course all you have is innuendo.

Taylor · Oct 28, 2019

HumblePi said:
No, he released an abbreviated version of the 30 minute phone call, the rest of the call transcript is in the secure server.

That's a myth -- no fact basis whatsoever.

The fact that the guy is in the military and his brother is a lawyer is irrelevant. He is repeating stuff we already know because we have a transcript that Trump himself released quickly and voluntarily.

HAL9000 · Oct 28, 2019

joko104 said:
What he said has no value as evidence whatsoever. It's just another person with an opinion. The only knowledge he has is his opinion. Opinion is not evidence.

Womp womp

LII > Federal Rules of Evidence > Rule 801. Definitions That Apply to This Article; Exclusions from Hearsay
(d) Statements That Are Not Hearsay. A statement that meets the following conditions is not hearsay:
(2) An Opposing Party’s Statement. The statement is offered against an opposing party and:
(D) was made by the party’s agent or employee on a matter within the scope of that relationship and while it existed; or
(E) was made by the party’s co-conspirator during and in furtherance of the conspiracy.

Chomsky · Oct 28, 2019

Taylor said:
Doesn't sound like there's anything new here. Trump already released the phone transcript.

Trump released a memo describing his version of the call, and called it a "transcript". It's likely bull****, if Trump is consistent with his previous behaviour.

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