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I was surprised to find out that several states still allow corporal punishment in public schools.
In any case, these kids had a choice of consequences and chose paddling.
If schools chose not to allow students to participate in the protest, that's their prerogative. If this is a legal means of punishment that's part of their school policy, then they are justified in using it.
IMO, paddling is ridiculous but I might choose it over something that would have more lasting consequences.
Exactly, thread title does not say that, though if he read his link, he knew that. Most people call that "dishonesty" or lying by omission.I was surprised to find out that several states still allow corporal punishment in public schools.
In any case, these kids had a choice of consequences and chose paddling.
If schools chose not to allow students to participate in the protest, that's their prerogative. If this is a legal means of punishment that's part of their school policy, then they are justified in using it.
IMO, paddling is ridiculous but I might choose it over something that would have more lasting consequences.
Arkansas students punished with paddles for walking out: reports | TheHill
Three students at an Arkansas high school were reportedly punished with paddles this week after leaving school to participate in the national walkout to protest gun violence.
Tolerance.
A show of incredulity is not quite an argument.Holy crap! Paddling is still allowed? That's crazy.
A show of incredulity is not quite an argument.
Are you questioning giving consequences for misbehavoir, for breaking the rules? Corporal punishment isnt illegal... it is one of the signals society sends to those not yet mature so that it is understood certain rules of conduct are not to be breached. What strong deterrent style punishment would you have school authorities substitute, that in this day and age will be legal and effective?
At the high school level, except for the embarrassment component, paddling at that age, I would is fairly obsolete and passe'...but again, what would you have them do as a stern consequence in its place?
Many, if not most, of us were spanked growing up and well understand its temporary pain relative to the overall value, timeliness, its importantance as a tool in early intervention, effective discipline within an orderly society.
Objecting to a single form of punishment is obviously not saying misbehaviour shouldn’t be addressed at all.Are you questioning giving consequences for misbehavoir, for breaking the rules?
It is against adults and in most cases, against children too. Allowing corporal punishment of children by their own parents and certainly by teachers relies on exceptions to the laws and normally accepted behaviour. Exceptions should require specific justifications.Corporal punishment isnt illegal...
Well as you say, it makes little sense in high school, where the children are perfectly capable of understanding the rules. All you have to do is read the words of one of the children in the OP article to see that he is no less capable of understanding that the average adult (maybe even to the point of choosing this form of punishment to create a contrast between a violent punishment for a protest against violence).it is one of the signals society sends to those not yet mature so that it is understood certain rules of conduct are not to be breached. What strong deterrent style punishment would you have school authorities substitute, that in this day and age will be legal and effective?
At the high school level, except for the embarrassment component, paddling at that age, I would is fairly obsolete and passe'...but again, what would you have them do as a stern consequence in its place?
Yet all the actual evidence suggests is doesn’t actually have any measureable benefit and does come with various potential risks. There is a simple conclusion though; if corporal punishment is so effective, why not extend its application to adults like yourself?Many, if not most, of us were spanked growing up and well understand its temporary pain relative to the overall value, timeliness, its importantance as a tool in early intervention, effective discipline within an orderly society.
I was surprised to find out that several states still allow corporal punishment in public schools.
In any case, these kids had a choice of consequences and chose paddling.
If schools chose not to allow students to participate in the protest, that's their prerogative. If this is a legal means of punishment that's part of their school policy, then they are justified in using it.
IMO, paddling is ridiculous but I might choose it over something that would have more lasting consequences.
thought that was a thing of the past. Of note, it implies parent consent, and the students knew/chose beforehand what punishment they would receive, not for walking out, but for breaking the rules.Corporal punishment in schools is permitted in 22 states, including Arkansas.
I was surprised to find out that several states still allow corporal punishment in public schools.
In any case, these kids had a choice of consequences and chose paddling.
If schools chose not to allow students to participate in the protest, that's their prerogative. If this is a legal means of punishment that's part of their school policy, then they are justified in using it.
IMO, paddling is ridiculous but I might choose it over something that would have more lasting consequences.
I wasn't making an argument, just an observation.
Okay then...
Holy crap, why would you say something so silly that you are subsequently unable, or unwilling, to defend ...on a debate website?:doh
Adrian Peterson in Texas where it is 100 percent legal. His child had actually attacked his own sister and tried to claw her eyes out. That was basically the beginning of the end of his career for far more justified reasons than trying to suppress free speech.
You if this story turns out to be true I hope you there are serious reprocutions.
It is completely wrong to try to suppress one constitutional right in favor of another.
I happen to disagree with agenda of the gun control this movement is pushing, but I support their right to speak.
There is a reason the founding fathers made these amendments the first two.
One was intended to protect the other and vice a versa...
Objecting to a single form of punishment is obviously not saying misbehaviour shouldn’t be addressed at all.
It is against adults and in most cases, against children too. Allowing corporal punishment of children by their own parents and certainly by teachers relies on exceptions to the laws and normally accepted behaviour. Exceptions should require specific justifications.
Well as you say, it makes little sense in high school, where the children are perfectly capable of understanding the rules. All you have to do is read the words of one of the children in the OP article to see that he is no less capable of understanding that the average adult (maybe even to the point of choosing this form of punishment to create a contrast between a violent punishment for a protest against violence).
Yet all the actual evidence suggests is doesn’t actually have any measureable benefit and does come with various potential risks. There is a simple conclusion though; if corporal punishment is so effective, why not extend its application to adults like yourself?
I got the paddle a few times in Jr. High. I deserved it every time. It was worth it every time.
Blindly following the crowd, the bandwagon effect, is not a particularly smart technique in my estimation.Same reason as other people I guess. Why was it silly? Is that your opinion?
Holy crap! Paddling is still allowed? That's crazy.
A show of incredulity is not quite an argument.
Are you questioning giving consequences for misbehavoir, for breaking the rules? Corporal punishment isnt illegal... it is one of the signals society sends to those not yet mature so that it is understood certain rules of conduct are not to be breached. What strong deterrent style punishment would you have school authorities substitute, that in this day and age will be legal and effective?
At the high school level, except for the embarrassment component, paddling at that age, I would is fairly obsolete and passe'...but again, what would you have them do as a stern consequence in its place?
Many, if not most, of us were spanked growing up and well understand its temporary pain relative to the overall value, timeliness, its importantance as a tool in early intervention, effective discipline within an orderly society.
Blindly following the crowd, the bandwagon effect, is not a particularly smart technique in my estimation.
For one, you cannot defend it. Secondly, corporal punishment worked on myself... and on my younger brother. Success breeds appreciation of the methods utilized.
There’s no opinion in stating that paddling a child would be a criminal offence for anyone unless it was their own parents/guardians or authorised school officials and even then only under specified conditions. Those exceptions to the law have been justified by legislators but there is no reason why those justifications can’t be revisited or challenged.While it may be against the law for adults, with regards to children, your opinion is just that, nothing more.
I wasn’t saying the boys arguments were perfectly formed, only that his statement demonstrated no less understanding and awareness than you’d expect of the average adult and clearly well above the level of being unable to understand rational arguments that is used to justify corporal punishment against much younger children.You must be joking? You dont see the huge contradiction?
Not for the kind of petty misbehaviour we’re talking about here. And if you’re aware of more “painful consequences” (thus more effective by this logic) you accept being applied to adults, why not apply the same to (older) children? If you can’t control the behaviour of 17 year old high school students without corporal punishment, how can you control the behaviour of 19 year old university students, 30 year old employees or 70 year old care-home residents? If it works, why limit it to minors?Adulthood comes with far more harsh and potentially far more painful consequences...
Arkansas students punished with paddles for walking out: reports | TheHill
Three students at an Arkansas high school were reportedly punished with paddles this week after leaving school to participate in the national walkout to protest gun violence.
Tolerance.
Blindly following the crowd, the bandwagon effect, is not a particularly smart technique in my estimation.
For one, you cannot defend it. Secondly, corporal punishment worked on myself... and on my younger brother. Success breeds appreciation of the methods utilized.
Holy crap! Paddling is still allowed? That's crazy.
Good for you then. I'm with OlNate on this. No one touches my child.
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