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Arkansas school board says fags should kill themselves

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While schools across the country are taking action against bullying and suicide, a board member of an Arkansas school district is using his Facebook page to encourage "queers" and "fags" to kill themselves.

Clint McCance is a board member in the Midland school district in western Arkansas. Responding to a call to wear purple last Wednesday to support LGBT youth, McCance wrote the following message on his Facebook page: "Seriously they want me to wear purple because five queers killed themselves. The only way im wearin it for them is if they all commit suicide. I cant believe the people of this world have gotten this stupid. We are honoring the fact that they sinned and killed thereselves because of their sin. REALLY PEOPLE."

Initially, six people "liked" McCance's message. He also received supportive comments, though some challenged his statement. A commenter wrote, "Because hatred is always right." That led McCance to write, "No because being a fag doesn't give you the right to ruin the rest of our lives. If you get easily offended by being called a fag then dont tell anyone you are a fag. Keep that **** to yourself. I dont care how people decide to live their lives. They dont bother me if they keep it to thereselves. It pisses me off though that we make a special purple fag day for them. I like that fags cant procreate. I also enjoy the fact that they often give each other aids and die. If you arent against it, you might as well be for it."

McCance was again challenged on his statements — and his Christianity. Wrote one commenter: "YOU NEED TO STOP AND THINK FOR A SEC GREAT YOU BIG CHRISTIAN MAN ! SO KEEP ALL OF YOUR THOUGHTS TO YOUR SELF YOU DONT WANT PPL TALKIN ABOUT YOUR FAMILY SO DONT TALK BOUT OTHERS."

McCance responded with, "I would disown my kids they were gay. They will not be welcome at my home or in my vicinity. I will absolutely run them off. Of course my kids will know better. My kids will have solid christian beliefs. See it infects everyone."

It's not clear if McCance has taken down the thread, since his Facebook page is private — the messages were made available to The Advocate via a forwarded screen capture. The superintendent of the Midland school district was unavailable and a phone call to the principal of the Midland High School was not returned. There was no response to e-mails to the superintendent and to the secretary of the Midland school board.

"Clint McCance has put a face on the hate that devastates our young people," says Human Rights Campaign president Joe Solmonese. "McCance shouldn't be allowed near children, let alone managing their education. We call for his immediate resignation from the school board."
School Official Wants Gays Dead | News Features | The Advocate

Clint McCance, Arkansas School Board Member, Wants 'Fags' To Commit Suicide
 

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There's a difference between the school board saying gay people should kill themselves and a person ON the school board saying gay people should kill themselves.

I, for example, am an American. I say we should blow up the moon. The headline "America says we should blow up the moon," however, is not accurate.
 

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It is my opinion that such people are a throwback to a time when Christianity suffered fewer challenges to it's authority from the sciences and other rational movements. He is a picture of what we can expect, a reminder, if we allow Christianity to go unchallenged. The impulse to cruelty is strong in the human condition. The use of religion in is furtherance sees it at it's most insidious. The only defense: the rejection of claims with no objective evidence.
 

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Sounds like the clash of extremists to me. On one side you have those who put more effort into sexuality classes, roleplays and pandering to weirdos than keeping educational standards up.

And on the other you have the chap who sounds not dissimilar to Mark Collett, the ex-British National Party young group boss who claimed that AIDS is a 'friendly' disease because homosexuals contract it.


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In other places, the lunatics have been taking over the asylum:

'Transvestite school drama' is a real genre. Seriously, PC PC News | GamesRadar

Thai school introduces toilets for transvestite students | World news | guardian.co.uk

Gay Lesson head is sex offender.

Parents face court action for removing children from gay history lessons | Mail Online

Gay propaganda removed from UK schools, but only after Muslim complaint.



Schoolboy starts new school dressed as girl | News | The Christian Institute

Other pupils at the school were left confused and upset after the boy’s decision was announced in a school assembly, according to newspaper reports.

Pupils were warned that if they refused to refer to the boy as a girl and use the new name he has adopted they would face punishment.

If it's so good then why is it so humiliating: Schoolboys Made to Wear Blouses | Transformation
 
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So what exactly is wrong with a boy dressed as a girl? Big deal. In fact, if the school wouldn't have made a big deal about it by having an assembly, then the students probably wouldn't have made a big deal about it. And it probably would have been a better idea to allow the parents to know about the student so that they could talk to their children about the situation, but that shouldn't change how the school would handle punishment for bullying the student. According to the article, the boy had already been wearing pigtails and acting like a girl, so the other students, at least in his class level, should be used to it. And there is no reason why a student shouldn't be allowed to live as whatever gender they want, even if they are that young, especially if they really do want to spend their life as that gender 24/7.

It is only humiliating to those who are not comfortable when they are not fitting in or when they are outside their own gender role. The first boy (the one who is going to school as a girl) feels that he is a girl. He is completely comfortable wearing girls clothing no matter what the other children think he should be wearing. This is not really much different than any student who wears clothes that are outside the norm. Some students could be completely comfortable, and maybe even moreso, dressing up for school every day in dresses or suits w/ ties, even if the other kids tease them about it. This is what makes them feel comfortable and they have enough self esteem to not care that it isn't normal, while it should still be okay.

I know that what I am saying is true because I have witnessed how my brother is when he is dressed as a woman. He is quite comfortable with himself, even if there are people staring at him. It really doesn't seem to bother him. He also seems to have a lot more confidence dressed as a woman than he ever had when he dressed in men's clothes, with the possible exception of being in his Army uniforms.

The boys described in the second article are uncomfortable because they see themselves as boys and view having to wear any clothing designated as "for girls" as saying that they aren't really boys but girls. In other situations, those same boys might actually voluntarily wear girls clothing, such as for Halloween or a Powder Puff game, but the fact that this scenario is a punishment is what would make it different.
 

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So what exactly is wrong with a boy dressed as a girl?
It's weird, that's what's wrong (and I don't mean that in a hateful way). When the boy's an adult he can do as he pleases but as a kid he could do well with having somebody look at him. And his parents, probably mixed up themselves under the circumstances, probably think it kinder to indulge him.

But he's not a girl (even boys' brains are different) and could even be open to all kinds of exploitation without supervision or being made to behave himself on the premises. (I can't find the link but I once read a news article of a paedophile facing a court hearing for having a 'relationship' with an underage gay transvestite. The boy said he loved the man but the judge still threw the book at the pervert.)

That said, just because he's a bit warped is by no means giving bullies free licence. Irresistable temptation as it may be, bullying should be punished if the strong are to protect the weak.



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Still, can't let thinks get out of hand even in the adult world. Must be a psychological minefield out there: 'Woman' accused of transgender Tube murder is MAN undergoing sex change | Mail Online


Previously: http://www.debatepolitics.com/europe/56726-those-stupid-parents.html

Men and women ARE different, say boffins. Get over it feminists: mens brains different womens - Google Search

Buying perversion on the National Health: http://www.debatepolitics.com/europe/69148-20-billion-nhs-cuts-doctors-sacked-useless.html
 
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In other places, the lunatics have been taking over the asylum:
Wow, aren't you a peach. You call people you disagree with "lunatics".

A japanese game? Relevance?

Heaven forbid a school that has 200 students who identify as transgender installs a unisex toilet to accomodate them.

Sexual offender? For having consensual encounters with other adults? Leave it to a Christian website to exaggerate.

Oh the horror. If their kids missed 19 days of school they could face court action.

Lifesitenews? You gotta be kidding.

So how would you have handled this situation differently?


All of these are cases of transgenderism in foreign countries. What does any of it have to do with a School Board member professing that he is happy to see gay kids die?
 
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Still, can't let thinks get out of hand even in the adult world. Must be a psychological minefield out there: 'Woman' accused of transgender Tube murder is MAN undergoing sex change | Mail Online


Previously: http://www.debatepolitics.com/europe/56726-those-stupid-parents.html

Men and women ARE different, say boffins. Get over it feminists: mens brains different womens - Google Search

Buying perversion on the National Health: http://www.debatepolitics.com/europe/69148-20-billion-nhs-cuts-doctors-sacked-useless.html
More red herrings that have nothing to do with the topic of the thread.
 

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There's a difference between the school board saying gay people should kill themselves and a person ON the school board saying gay people should kill themselves.

I, for example, am an American. I say we should blow up the moon. The headline "America says we should blow up the moon," however, is not accurate.
That's very true. The title should read that a particular idiot, Clint McCance, said something really stupid and hateful.
 

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It's weird, that's what's wrong
Transgender people, and people who don't conform to the made up gender binary society put's on us, aren't weird, plain and simple.

Anyways, the school board member should be relieved on his job, so the non bigots can help every student in their district.
 

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Wow, aren't you a peach. You call people you disagree with "lunatics".
Figure of speech. And besides, lunatic liberals on here have called me names like sick, nauseous, genocidal, sexist, racist and allsorts. So I probably wouldn't care anyway.


More red herrings that have nothing to do with the topic of the thread.
Supplementary info which doesn't fall into line with liberal-left doctine = irrelevant.



Transgender people, and people who don't conform to the made up gender binary society put's on us, aren't weird, plain and simple.
An interesting thing about liberals is they like to claim that sexuality and its behaviours are artificially conditioned, yet accept no dissent on things like this.


Anyways, the school board member should be relieved on his job....
Fired just for not thinking the right things? There's 'tolerance' for you.


....so the non bigots can help every student in their district.
What was that about name-calling?
 
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Fired just for not thinking the right things? There's 'tolerance' for you.
Let me get this right...you think a public official who is responsible for children should be allowed to a hold position where he can proclaim that gay children should go kill themselves?

I'm all for tolerance, but there are limits...such as endangering the lives of children!
 

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An interesting thing about liberals is they like to claim that sexuality and its behaviours are artificially conditioned, yet accept no dissent on things like this.
I don't get what your trying to say here.

Fired just for not thinking the right things? There's 'tolerance' for you.
No, not for not thinking the right things, he should be fired, because he doesn't have the best interest of the students he represents at heart. Plain, and simple.
 

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I'm all for tolerance, but there are limits...such as endangering the lives of children!

At least we can kind-of agree on that. If he'd disown his own kids for being homosexual, he probably wouldn't help others either.

McCance responded with, "I would disown my kids they were gay. They will not be welcome at my home or in my vicinity. I will absolutely run them off. Of course my kids will know better. My kids will have solid christian beliefs. See it infects everyone."


I don't get what your trying to say here.
Then what was all that 'binary' stuff you were talking about?
 

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At least we can kind-of agree on that. If he'd disown his own kids for being homosexual, he probably wouldn't help others either.
Yeah, the fact that he also likes the idea that people gets AIDs probably does not bode well on his positions on sex ed either.
 

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Sexual offender? For having consensual encounters with other adults?
In the bushes!



If their kids missed 19 days of school they could face court action.
There's a statute somewhere which dictates parents can remove kids from sex or religious classes.



So how would you have handled this situation differently?
School uniform rules would have been enough I'd say. And to think other headmasters hit the roof over earrings or socks!
 
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Then what was all that 'binary' stuff you were talking about?
This false gender binary society put's on us is totally complete crap. If a guy want's to wear what some would perceive as women's clothes then it should be okay. Society put's limits on how each gender should act, and it's bull. Also the thought that people who don't identify with the sex they were born with are weird is also complete crap, their gender identity is just as valid as anyone else's.
 

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Looks like this is one of those things where we'd agree to disagree. Especially where baffling jargon like 'gender binary society' is concerned.

I'd much rather stick with Public Opinion, or common sense if that fails.
 

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It's weird, that's what's wrong (and I don't mean that in a hateful way).
I cant even begin to count the ways that short circuts logic.

Have you considered that "weird" is a relative measure? I'm going to make the assumption that you personally are monogamous. For someone like me who is NOT monogamous, you might seem weird. Does that make sense?

When the boy's an adult he can do as he pleases but as a kid he could do well with having somebody look at him. And his parents, probably mixed up themselves under the circumstances, probably think it kinder to indulge him.
And exactly what harm is there in letting the kid dress up like a girl? If he grows out of it, he grows out of it. If he grows up to be a transvestite, who cares? It's no skin off your ass either way.

But he's not a girl (even boys' brains are different) and could even be open to all kinds of exploitation without supervision or being made to behave himself on the premises. (I can't find the link but I once read a news article of a paedophile facing a court hearing for having a 'relationship' with an underage gay transvestite. The boy said he loved the man but the judge still threw the book at the pervert.)
Again, a massive so what?

Why is he more likely to be exploited and abused because he dresses like a girl?

That said, just because he's a bit warped is by no means giving bullies free licence. Irresistable temptation as it may be, bullying should be punished if the strong are to protect the weak.
Because you're doing such a fantastic job of it now.
 

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It is my opinion that such people are a throwback to a time when Christianity suffered fewer challenges to it's authority from the sciences and other rational movements. He is a picture of what we can expect, a reminder, if we allow Christianity to go unchallenged. The impulse to cruelty is strong in the human condition. The use of religion in is furtherance sees it at it's most insidious. The only defense: the rejection of claims with no objective evidence.
Ur so well spoken and erudite and passionate.

Ima give you a big gay hug :Hug:
 

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For someone like me who is NOT monogamous, you might seem weird. Does that make sense?
Am I talking to another 'gender binary society'-type person now?


And exactly what harm is there in letting the kid dress up like a girl?
As you say, harm is a relative measure. In terms of not caring what kind of condition his fetish could be a symptom of (or any peculiar way it manifests itself), none at all.

Has he been looked at, I wonder? Is there something up with him or is he otherwise normal but just going through some kind of phase?



Why is he more likely to be exploited and abused because he dresses like a girl?
There are perverts out there enough as it is.

But I don't know. Maybe the morality-softening, gender-bending sexual revoltion's passed most of us by:

Paedophile escapes jail for abusing girl, 11, after judge says 'she welcomed sex' | Mail Online

Buy your victim a nice bike, judge tells paedophile | Mail Online



Because you're doing such a fantastic job of it now.
What, saying I wouldn't want to see the strange kid punched?
 

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Am I talking to another 'gender binary society'-type person now?




As you say, harm is a relative measure. In terms of not caring what kind of condition his fetish could be a symptom of (or any peculiar way it manifests itself), none at all.

Has he been looked at, I wonder? Is there something up with him or is he otherwise normal but just going through some kind of phase?





There are perverts out there enough as it is.

But I don't know. Maybe the morality-softening, gender-bending sexual revoltion's passed most of us by:

Paedophile escapes jail for abusing girl, 11, after judge says 'she welcomed sex' | Mail Online

Buy your victim a nice bike, judge tells paedophile | Mail Online





What, saying I wouldn't want to see the strange kid punched?
Wait. How is dressing like a girl a fetish?
 

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There seems to be a consensus, as a quick Google search proves.


Prepare to dive:
Even adult women dressing as girls is a fetish!
 
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There seems to be a consensus, as a quick Google search proves.


Prepare to dive:
Even adult women dressing as girls is a fetish!

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Wait. How is dressing like a girl a fetish?
There's also this: Differences between a fetish lover, a cross-dresser and a transvestite - by Amanda Fox - Helium

It can seem like there is a world of difference in all this but the reality is this is nothing more than a subset of fethisitic behavior.
(Not a porn site by the way!)


And the very fact the last post was edited can prove what this sort of thing can lead to if you get exploited. It's a murky little world and it's not unreasonable to protect kids from it until they reach the age where you just can't.
 
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