Phil_Osophy
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First of all, unless you are a sociopath (which granted the official diagnosis has yet to come in) emotions are a part of life and of being human. You like to dismiss them as mush and pretend you don't have any, or that yours are somehow more legit, because your emotion of choice is anger and baseless insults. How does that play out for you in real life btw?
Promoting fairness has served as a legitimate basis for existing legislation. Just because equality makes your eyes burn when you see it does not mean that promoting its presence in our laws is purely an emotion plea. It's pragmatic.
It's funny how often and vehemently I'm told atheism is NOT a religion unless, of course, it's more convenient to one's argument for it to be regarded as one.
Hes saying that there can be enforcement of contracts without the government getting into the marriage business.
Basically, your marriage is none of the governments business, but the government will still enforce your contracts for property, etc.
Except women. They get away with it.
Bet the relatively few atheists by comparison would be wailing too, once they go out of business...
Or they could just say they'd not allow fundamentalist Christians through their door, which would be fine with me.
Very little of that is discrimination, it's mostly women not wanting a man messing with their privates.
It isnt about equality its about property rights. If i have a box of rice and decide to sell it, why should you choose who i sell it to? What gives you the right to control my property?
Exactly the argument used back in the "Good Ol' Days", so obviously you believe like Rand Paul, who thinks the Civil Rights Acts are all government over reach. Nice to know that there are some Americans who don't think all Americans are equal to them.
Exactly the argument used back in the "Good Ol' Days", so obviously you believe like Rand Paul, who thinks the Civil Rights Acts are all government over reach. Nice to know that there are some Americans who don't think all Americans are equal to them.
Move to a place where it wasn't. If there wasn't a place where I was accepted, I would begin to consider that maybe I'm doing something wrong.
It isnt about equality its about property rights. If i have a box of rice and decide to sell it, why should you choose who i sell it to? What gives you the right to control my property?
This is why i call worthless hate monger on everyone behind this bill:
"If we were having this conversation in regard to African-Americans or women, there would be outrage across the country right now.""
So let's see some real principled business/religious extremism or don't bother!
the freedom for business owner to suffer the consequences of their bigotry
I think they need to be watched and conducted their business in a way that is in keeping with our core principles of equality and freedom.
Humiliating someone is something less than destructive?
So when this extends to black people on the basis of religious freedom you're fine with this as well?
How many violent acts spring from intolerance?
What is with the Far right and their burning desire to discriminate against people who don't think or act or look exactly the same way they do?
Yeah promoting tolerance, acceptance and suggesting that we all strive to create a world of peaceful coexistence is a pretty ****ed up thing to do. I have seen the light!!
what gives you the right to discriminate against me. To single me out because of my race or gender or orientation. Honestly, why would you not consider civility and tolerance over a free-for-all for business? You get to rack up one more sale because you chose to tolerate where some guy puts his wong. Why would you NOT do that. Because you and your self-righteous insistence that your god knows best.
Fine. So why try and redefine a cultural term that's been in existence since time memorial all for the appeasement of a mere 1% or 2% of the population? I'm perfectly fine with civil unions defined as equal in standing as traditional marriage before the law and the government. The government needs to get out of the marriage business, and leave that to the churches / people.
No, in order to appease that mere 1% or 2% of the population we have to destroy the institution of marriage as well as traditional religions. Doesn't seem right to me.
what gives you the right to discriminate against me. To single me out because of my race or gender or orientation. Honestly, why would you not consider civility and tolerance over a free-for-all for business? You get to rack up one more sale because you chose to tolerate where some guy puts his wong. Why would you NOT do that. Because you and your self-righteous insistence that your god knows best.
what gives you the right to discriminate against me.
what gives you the right to discriminate against me.
To single me out because of my race or gender or orientation. Honestly, why would you not consider civility and tolerance over a free-for-all for business? You get to rack up one more sale because you chose to tolerate where some guy puts his wong. Why would you NOT do that. Because you and your self-righteous insistence that your god knows best.
There are places where gays and blacks are accepted so that point is invalid.like if you were gay or black or a certain religion or had unpopular religious views this law help coerce you form your home or how you behave and that's ok
that's for some one who has the money to try and run their own business consumers can now face the same kind of treatment and it might be harder for them to simply move away
and its wrong that they have to
this kind of law can give business collective power to limit your free speech and ability to live
where not letting people discriminate against you just increases business for people
this kind of law is a greater threat to freedom and rights
what gives you the right to discriminate against me. To single me out because of my race or gender or orientation. Honestly, why would you not consider civility and tolerance over a free-for-all for business? You get to rack up one more sale because you chose to tolerate where some guy puts his wong. Why would you NOT do that. Because you and your self-righteous insistence that your god knows best.
So nobody wants to take on my scenario?
I have a limited supply of chicken nuggets that i want to sell. Why should you get to decide who i sell them to?
because the current definition is unfair and doesn't give homosexual couples equal treatment under the law you know because a tradition is not right because its a tradition
if some is such a peace of **** that being forced to treat gay people fairly when it comes to marriage drives them to discriminate against them in some other way their traditions that drive them to it are evil and a threat to freedom and justice
hetero sexual marriage is not destroyed or harmed and no religion is destroyed or harmed holy matrimony is completely unchanged
and religious freedom is protected because it cant be used to control people other then believers by their own free will
seems very right
People discriminate against others every day all day everywhere. We avoid people when we don't like how they smell, look, their "vibe", how they're dressed - you name it. Businesses will generally put all that aside to make sales. Those that don't, typically don't last that long. The problem takes care of itself, no government intervention necessary. In fact government intervention makes things worse. Once the government interferes, then people artificially support a business they might not ordinarily frequent just to combat the interference.
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