Jkille said, “if the only thing anyone can prove about life is that we are made up of particles that are obeying the set laws of nature.... then it means there is no such thing as right and wrong, other than what we make up in our heads. no one will ever be right, and no one will ever be wrong, since those things are subjective.”
Absolutely. There could be no right or wrong. Because what is right to you might just be wrong to me and vise versa.
Iriemon said, “Right and wrong become objective rules for society, even tho individually each person may subjectively have different ideas about the rules.”
But who gets to decide? And should anyone be forced to follow a set of rules they don’t find as being moral or immoral?
Jkille said, “according to scientific facts, this can't be true. each organism in a species is a slightly different "version" of that species, with certain traits (intelligence, athleticism, etc). this is how evolution happens, mutations and differences in DNA. and especially since humans have ruled out natural selection, the "inferior" genes are allowed to live. So inevitably, some humans are better or worse than others.”
I am not comparing you to Hitler but I must make comment that….That view is what Hilter, Sanger (an advocate of certain aspects of eugenics, and the founder of the American Birth Control League which eventually became Planned Parenthood) thought as well. Do you also think that the inferior races should be eliminated? Inferior people like the physically and mentally handicapped? Many people like Hitler, Darwin and the likes thought woman were inferior. Are you for possibly forcing societies to abort only females? That is happening today.
One need not be a genius to realize that we exist and we did not create ourselves. And since that’s true its easy to figure out that something or someone besides ourselves brought us to be. Take the universe.... It created itself ?…..it has always existed ?…. Or it was created by something or someone outside of itself ?
If you think it created itself, that would be impossible because it violates the laws of logic. (non-contradiction) For every cause there is an effect….what was the first cause? If you think that it has always existed….evidence shows that the earth had a beginning and that it is aging. The amount of usable energy is decreasing due to heat loss. I think science from what I have read is in agreement that the universe is not eternal. So????
I am not a scientist but I do know that it is an observable and undeniable fact that every effect has a cause in the physical universe. Nothing in our universe exists that is not contingent on something else. In a nut shell really…nothing in the universe is able to explain its own existence.
The way I look at it….unless a first cause God in this case exists, the universe would have to be eternal because there would be an infinite series of causes and effects that would never lead to a first cause or starting point.
A infinite series of causes and effects are impossible. At some point there had to be a first cause or nothing would have existed. I happen to believe that God was the first cause.
In regards to the moral discussion here….There does seem to be a universal moral code around the world. But where did it originate? Didn't it have to come from a standard outside man if its to judge the actions of man? If men follow their own standards of behavior isn't the natural tendency to do evil? So if morality is relative and its dependent on what culture you have to live in or what beliefs you happen to follow…there would be no universal morality that was the same. For me the only logical conclusion would be that a moral absolute independent of human thoughts and feeling could only come from God. God is the absolute.
